The LHC Might Have Actually Found What it's Been Looking For

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Damn, Hawking is gonna be pissed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4715761.ece

I'm sure the chance of a resonance cascade is minimal though. Hardly worth talking about.
That's odd, in A Brief History of Time he mentions that he usually bets against his ideas, so that if he's wrong, he still gets money. But here he seems to be betting that he is right.
 

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Please no more stories about the LHC being close until they have actually found it. Getting fed up of these stories getting my hopes up only to find it's a 'we think we are close' storys....
 

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I'll believe it when they can reproduce it. That's the trick, eh?

If it is real, well, this was a triumph.
 

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Eww while i was reading this not only i did not understand anything but the whole time i was thinking of the Big Bang theory X_X

So okay if they prove this Higgs boson thing...what happens then? how does that improve our lives?
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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I'm sure the chance of a resonance cascade is minimal though. Hardly worth talking about.
Wasn't...that what they said just before it happened?
 

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teqrevisited said:
I'm preparing for unforeseen consequences. Crowbars at the ready.

The collider will be something to watch in the coming months / years.
+1 cookies for the half-life ref in the first line, and /agree. Don't say you weren't warned when aliens start teleporting out of friggin' nowhere.
 

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Scott Bullock said:
The LHC Might Have Actually Found What it's Been Looking For

Bill the Physicist dropping his coffee into the detector.
Well, accidents in science have resulted in good happenings - look at penicillin!
 

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DoctorPhil said:
Science is cool and all, but imagine how we could have helped developing countries with 5.5 Billion frickin dollars. It's a little bit more important than satisfying our curiosity no? I'm a science fanboy, but come on.
Question: Just where do you think the ability of the developed countries to help others to the extent that we do came from? Hint: It did not come from putting off discovery and technological advancement until all the world's problems were solved with sticks, rocks, and fire.
Finding the Higgs Boson is different, how does it help poor people? It's only progress in the field of physics, in no way does it help people who are actually suffering. It helps us get better at travelling through space by understanding the universe better. Is that really a priority though? We should use the money to fix a few things on our own planet first. Think of all the children that could have been educated with that money. Instead, those children grew up to be poor farmers or lousy criminals.
What's done is done though, since they already built the thing, they should go on with it.
 

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I'm just waiting for some random troll to start pumping the "But what if we blow up the earth"-steamvalve.
Cmon, where are ya?
 

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Cobaltmotari said:
Scott Bullock said:
The LHC Might Have Actually Found What it's Been Looking For

Bill the Physicist dropping his coffee into the detector.
Well, accidents in science have resulted in good happenings - look at penicillin!
And I'm enforcing a new rule, by the way. You may no longer refer to "Accidents in science, a cause for good!" and then only naming pencillin. Because every time someone mentions Accidents in Science, it's Alexander Flemming this and Alexander Flemming that. One accident is a stroke of luck, two is a rule!
 

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Someone want to explain what the fuck this thing is in the layman's terms? Because it's like teaching a brick the basics of maths right now.
 

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DoctorPhil said:
McMullen said:
DoctorPhil said:
Science is cool and all, but imagine how we could have helped developing countries with 5.5 Billion frickin dollars. It's a little bit more important than satisfying our curiosity no? I'm a science fanboy, but come on.
Question: Just where do you think the ability of the developed countries to help others to the extent that we do came from? Hint: It did not come from putting off discovery and technological advancement until all the world's problems were solved with sticks, rocks, and fire.
Finding the Higgs Boson is different, how does it help poor people? It's only progress in the field of physics, in no way does it help people who are actually suffering. It helps us get better at travelling through space by understanding the universe better. Is that really a priority though? We should use the money to fix a few things on our own planet first. Think of all the children that could have been educated with that money. Instead, those children grew up to be poor farmers or lousy criminals.
What's done is done though, since they already built the thing, they should go on with it.
You're right. Finding the Higgs Boson would not help people who are suffering. You're right, also, in wondering what the $5.5b could have done over 17 years if it was spent on helping developing nations. However, you'd be more right to consider what $5.5b over a single year could do.

Now consider this, the US military spends ~$500b a year. Don't get me wrong, I love that my nation is actively invested in protecting its citizens, but this is an extremely large amount. If I had a choice, I'd much rather remove $5.5b from my nation's military for the purpose of helping developing nations than not pursue science.

Sorry about that, I just get kinda annoyed when people get upset that relatively small amounts of money are being spent on worthwhile causes. The LHC is providing results, which is really what matters. Thankfully, it looks like those results will confirm what the scientific community has thought!
 
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EllEzDee said:
Someone want to explain what the fuck this thing is in the layman's terms? Because it's like teaching a brick the basics of maths right now.
Higgs Boson: Proof that Quantum Physics can be defined by rules. So the unmeasurable science can now be measured.

LHC: Racetrack that throws basic building blocks of everything at each other to look for the boson after the car crash.

They've found something...No-one knows if it's the Boson yet, but it's an unexpected something.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
EllEzDee said:
Someone want to explain what the fuck this thing is in the layman's terms? Because it's like teaching a brick the basics of maths right now.
Higgs Boson: Proof that Quantum Physics can be defined by rules. So the unmeasurable science can now be measured.

LHC: Racetrack that throws basic building blocks of everything at each other to look for the boson after the car crash.

They've found something...No-one knows if it's the Boson yet, but it's an unexpected something.
Fantastic. Cheers.
 

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Isn't this all pretty silly.

I think they just want more funding or something because wouldn't a 0-spin be the first thing they would announce if they found it. The Higgs boson is theoretically only detectable with a net spin of 0, which would be stupidly rare even if it exists. So rare I'm not sure if they'd ever be able to tell the difference between testing error and empirical evidence.

I already think the Higgs mechanism is wild mass guessing and just doesn't seem right in the standard model
 

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Azmael Silverlance said:
Eww while i was reading this not only i did not understand anything but the whole time i was thinking of the Big Bang theory X_X

So okay if they prove this Higgs boson thing...what happens then? how does that improve our lives?
William Gladstone asked the same question of Michael Faraday when he exhibited his discovery of electromagnetic induction and he had a very simple answer, "Mr. Gladstone, in twenty years you will be taxing it."

It took longer than twenty years, but the majority of the electricity that the world generates is based on Faraday's discoveries.

Identifying the Higgs Boson particle would confirm a theory of how our universe works, once we identify it we can then try to find some way of harnessing it, just like we found a way to harness electric currents and nuclear fission.
 

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Let's hope it doesn't open portals all around the facility that go into a new alien dimension and a single scientist (possibly with a beard) has to fight his way out... with a crowbar.