The Main Reason why Indoctrination Theory is Wrong :)

[Zen Toombs]

Watch the video "ME3 - Indoctrination Theory Debunked - further explanation"

.......it is the same guy, and he's talking in the same voice. As I said, no interest in seeing more than a second of this guy I don't have to, but I am interested in seeing the facts for myself. Can you please tell me where in that video it is? Like is it at 2:15 or at 5:17 or at 93:87?

Start from 2:00 mins and carry on for as long as you can endure.

*grumble grumble* you're joy irritates me.

....When did I get old?

 

[Storm Dragon]

This is why I don't believe in the Indoctrination Theory:

 

[Moth_Monk]

This is why I don't believe in the Indoctrination Theory:

I concur.

/thread

 

[Zen Toombs]

Did you watch his video on why the "breath scene" was actually taking place on the Citadel? I think the proof really destroys (ba-dum tss) IDT.

No, I didn't see that part. Can you tell me which video it's in and how far it is? Because I have zero interest in slogging through even another thirty seconds of that guy if I don't have to.

Also, I will point out something. When I first saw that scene I thought it was on Earth, and that was before I had ever heard of IT.

Watch the video "ME3 - Indoctrination Theory Debunked - further explanation"

.......it is the same guy, and he's talking in the same voice. As I said, no interest in seeing more than a second of this guy I don't have to, but I am interested in seeing the facts for myself. Can you please tell me where in that video it is? Like is it at 2:15 or at 5:17 or at 93:87?

Start from 2:00 mins and carry on for as long as you can endure.

GAH I WANT TO MURDER
GUY IS SO ANNOYING

/rant
Okay, took a look at the video. What was pointed out makes it much more likely that IT is incorrect, but it does not disprove it. It is entirely reasonable to think that the cables and rubble are on Earth - it's what I thought when I first saw them. While the cables look like those in the "breath" sequence, they could easily also be something much simpler than space cables - rebar, surrounded by broken stone/concrete.

You know, things that don't exist on the Citadel and are everywhere on Earth.

 

[thememan]

This video is pretty good too.

The guy, frankly, is an annoying idiot. In the first video, I got to "conspiracy theory" and immediately stopped watching. That said, it's hardly compelling one way or the other as far as his "deconstruction" goes, as the rubble can easily be explained for IDT theory also and earth based. Really, the hardest thing to reconcile with the whole thing being "real" is how in the nine hells does one survive a massive explosion in space, entry into the atmosphere, and the inevitable crash landing that is to occur without any sort of protective or survival gear? I can understand the bad writting argument, but this is just full-blown, Hail-Mary style stupidity in writing. Something that not even bad writers do.

That said, it the video is stretching at straws a bit in trying to be "conclusive". Most of what he showed is "meh" in the least in terms of actual conclusivity.

Edit: Also the fact that he has a FF X-III wallpaper immediately destroys his credibility. That massive pile of crap of a game with a paper thin story destroys any reliability I put in somebody.

If you seriously disregard someone's argument based on their likes of some games - which has nothing to do with the argument - then you obviously can't think logically. You should read this to see why such reasoning fails: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

That part was a joke. I do have to question his personal taste in games, but it has nothing to do with ME3 in the least.

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Wait.... people still believe the indoctrination theory. When will you people learn that the endings were poorly written.

That's more or less what it comes down to, isn't it?

and now half the fanbase is twisting itself into pretzels to give them an excuse for it (no offense intended, but that's what it seems like to me)

If Bioware truly care about their fans and the story, they can use it. Maybe people are looking too hard at IDT, but at the end of the day, Bioware fucked up, and if they want to try and make right, the fans have given them the perfect out.

I'm increasingly sure that there's a better way to do it, though. I wrote about it over here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.360062-Poll-The-indoctrination-theory-do-we-really-need-it].

 

[Moth_Monk]

This video is pretty good too.

The guy, frankly, is an annoying idiot. In the first video, I got to "conspiracy theory" and immediately stopped watching. That said, it's hardly compelling one way or the other as far as his "deconstruction" goes, as the rubble can easily be explained for IDT theory also and earth based. Really, the hardest thing to reconcile with the whole thing being "real" is how in the nine hells does one survive a massive explosion in space, entry into the atmosphere, and the inevitable crash landing that is to occur without any sort of protective or survival gear? I can understand the bad writting argument, but this is just full-blown, Hail-Mary style stupidity in writing. Something that not even bad writers do.

That said, it the video is stretching at straws a bit in trying to be "conclusive". Most of what he showed is "meh" in the least in terms of actual conclusivity.

Edit: Also the fact that he has a FF X-III wallpaper immediately destroys his credibility. That massive pile of crap of a game with a paper thin story destroys any reliability I put in somebody.

If you seriously disregard someone's argument based on their likes of some games - which has nothing to do with the argument - then you obviously can't think logically. You should read this to see why such reasoning fails: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

That part was a joke. I do have to question his personal taste in games, but it has nothing to do with ME3 in the least.

Well, being honest, I do agree with you about Final Fantasy X-III being a bad game. Although he is a Mass Effect fan, I assume, so his taste in games might not be that bad.

 

[thunderroar]

The things people see as holes in the theory are invalid: the VI detects the fully indoctrinated presence of Kai Leng. Shepard is not fully indoctrinated or undergoing the final stage of indoctrination on Thessia, so the VI shouldn't have been able to detect him. For those that say "the red ending is the only one with low EMS" it still makes perfect sense. Shepard's choices in the process of indoctrination don't matter with an EMS that low, so the reapers never present the other options in order to trick Shepard. If your forces are too weak, then the reapers win anyway, so why would they try to keep Shepard down? They only try to trick Shepard when they need him in order to win, and the low EMS ending is just his final hallucination.

 

[Vault101]

it may not be true

but the fact is there are things that just dont have an explination, that are so retarded that not even the droogs of EA would have come up with that