The most irredeemably evil bastard in any videogame

[Scarim Coral]

I'm going with Handsome Jack. I just cannot wrap my head around his mindset. He is so stuck in his little fantasy world where he thinks that he's the hero that he murders innocent people for laughs, kills the children of people who work for him if they say something wrong, imprisons his own daughter for life and doesn't listen to her at all, and that's just to name a few things. And all this time, he truly believes that he is the good guy, even as he shoots an unarmed person in the face for no reason. I mean, most villains are at least aware that they are evil, or at least hated by the common people, but him? He is so far gone that I can't even fathom what happened to make him that way. How do you do all those things and still fully believe that you are the good guy?

Actually I've talked about this a few times, but Handsome Jack is a representation of the average player character from most RPGs, as seen from the perspective of the average bandit.

You see in Borderlands, you, the player character, are a bandit. Sure, you're a vault hunter, but you're also a bandit just like the rest of the denizens of Pandora. Hell, you can play as a Psycho in the game. The entire game is spent with you looting and killing, and fighting little land wars against various other bandit clans, and that's all you do when you're not fighting Handsome Jack. You're one of the reasons that Pandora is so dangerous. Why are you on Pandora? Because you're a vault hunter and you're all about getting more money and bigger guns. You're not a hero you're there for your own self interest.

The reason Handsome Jack thinks that he's the hero is because he is. He's bringing peace and order to Pandora. He's capturing, studying, and eradicating dangerous wildlife and exterminating the bandit populations that make Pandora dangerous for normal people. He created the city of Opportunity, which allows people a safe haven to live in for free.

I mean, what are the evil things that Handsome Jack has done?

Destroy the environment? Pandora was already kind of a shit-hole, and while he did pollute a few areas he did so in the name of progress. He created real cities on Pandora, rather than just the shanty towns that were there before.

Murder people? Pretty much everyone he "murdered" were murderous psychotic bandits who attack everyone the moment they see them. He killed the same kind of people that you spend the entire game killing. Did he kill them brutally? Sure, but the average player rather enjoys finding gruesome ways to kill their enemies. I bet you enjoyed shooting people in the face and watching their heads fly off. Of course you did you sick bastard, we all did.

Imprisoned his daughter? You could see it that way, but you can also see it as protecting everyone from a person who has incredible powers that she can't control.

Handsome Jack lives by the idea that the ends justify the means. The reason you see him as evil though is because everything he does is counter to what your player characters are trying to achieve, and because the other characters in the game, who are bandits, tell you that he's evil. The game is about bandits and anarchists fighting against a government which seeks to eradicate them in the name of peace and safety and your character is put on the wrong side.

That's what makes the game so interesting and well written to me. Handsome Jack is written as an evil bastard but at the same time I see everything he does as the actions that an immature player would take when playing an open world RPG while role-playing the hero. It's kind of brilliant.

Err what about the fact that he DID killed some non psychopath people? One of the Echo/ quest you find in the start of the game was that woman with a scared face who message was about her and some people were trying to escape or something like that. They were stop by Jack and Whilem and Jack asked her cause of her scar and by the end of end shot her in the head. Also there was another echo log with him killing an old man who try to theaten him with a spoon and he killed him in front of his kid to boot!

Also there was that threat that he was willing to killed ANYONE (let it be civilian, kids etc) that cross path with the Vault Hunter over the death of his daughter isn't heroic but an outright monster that got unleash! Ok sure some games are like that mainly revenge story but I still view that not to be the hero way.

I haven't even mention the workers in Oppertunity which was pretty much make him the most evil boss/ manager at work there is (given them a few seconds break and something about "A miserable worker is a hard worker".

OT- The only one I can thing of is probably either Destroy Man or Bad Girl from No More Heroes. Destory Man was dishonourable with a captial D and Bad Girl was just psychotic to be undesireable.

 

[gigastar]

If Baron Shax from Lichdom: Battlemage isnt right up there, hes certainly trying his hardest to be.

He;
-Hunts people for fun.
-Is a cannibal.
-Kills anyone who fails him.
-Raises the dead.
-Orders human cullings to increase the size of his zombie army.
-Turned himself into a demon.
-Probably turned his children into liches.
-Is at the head of an obnoxiously evil cult that is said to have been rsponsible for causing the moon to fall.

And probably some other stuff i dont know about yet.

Blake Dexter from Hitman Absolution. He's evil and he loves it.

The one thing that Absolution had over Blood Money, dangling such a hateable target in front of us for the entire game so that its that little bit more satifying when we finally get to open his throat.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

I'm going with Handsome Jack. I just cannot wrap my head around his mindset. He is so stuck in his little fantasy world where he thinks that he's the hero that he murders innocent people for laughs, kills the children of people who work for him if they say something wrong, imprisons his own daughter for life and doesn't listen to her at all, and that's just to name a few things. And all this time, he truly believes that he is the good guy, even as he shoots an unarmed person in the face for no reason. I mean, most villains are at least aware that they are evil, or at least hated by the common people, but him? He is so far gone that I can't even fathom what happened to make him that way. How do you do all those things and still fully believe that you are the good guy?

Actually I've talked about this a few times, but Handsome Jack is a representation of the average player character from most RPGs, as seen from the perspective of the average bandit.

You see in Borderlands, you, the player character, are a bandit. Sure, you're a vault hunter, but you're also a bandit just like the rest of the denizens of Pandora. Hell, you can play as a Psycho in the game. The entire game is spent with you looting and killing, and fighting little land wars against various other bandit clans, and that's all you do when you're not fighting Handsome Jack. You're one of the reasons that Pandora is so dangerous. Why are you on Pandora? Because you're a vault hunter and you're all about getting more money and bigger guns. You're not a hero you're there for your own self interest.

The reason Handsome Jack thinks that he's the hero is because he is. He's bringing peace and order to Pandora. He's capturing, studying, and eradicating dangerous wildlife and exterminating the bandit populations that make Pandora dangerous for normal people. He created the city of Opportunity, which allows people a safe haven to live in for free.

I mean, what are the evil things that Handsome Jack has done?

Destroy the environment? Pandora was already kind of a shit-hole, and while he did pollute a few areas he did so in the name of progress. He created real cities on Pandora, rather than just the shanty towns that were there before.

Murder people? Pretty much everyone he "murdered" were murderous psychotic bandits who attack everyone the moment they see them. He killed the same kind of people that you spend the entire game killing. Did he kill them brutally? Sure, but the average player rather enjoys finding gruesome ways to kill their enemies. I bet you enjoyed shooting people in the face and watching their heads fly off. Of course you did you sick bastard, we all did.

Imprisoned his daughter? You could see it that way, but you can also see it as protecting everyone from a person who has incredible powers that she can't control.

Handsome Jack lives by the idea that the ends justify the means. The reason you see him as evil though is because everything he does is counter to what your player characters are trying to achieve, and because the other characters in the game, who are bandits, tell you that he's evil. The game is about bandits and anarchists fighting against a government which seeks to eradicate them in the name of peace and safety and your character is put on the wrong side.

That's what makes the game so interesting and well written to me. Handsome Jack is written as an evil bastard but at the same time I see everything he does as the actions that an immature player would take when playing an open world RPG while role-playing the hero. It's kind of brilliant.

Err what about the fact that he DID killed some non psychopath people? One of the Echo/ quest you find in the start of the game was that woman with a scared face who message was about her and some people were trying to escape or something like that. They were stop by Jack and Whilem and Jack asked her cause of her scar and by the end of end shot her in the head. Also there was another echo log with him killing an old man who try to theaten him with a spoon and he killed him in front of his kid to boot!

Also there was that threat that he was willing to killed ANYONE (let it be civilian, kids etc) that cross path with the Vault Hunter over the death of his daughter isn't heroic but an outright monster that got unleash! Ok sure some games are like that mainly revenge story but I still view that not to be the hero way.

I haven't even mention the workers in Oppertunity which was pretty much make him the most evil boss/ manager at work there is (given them a few seconds break and something about "A miserable worker is a hard worker".

OT- The only one I can thing of is probably either Destroy Man or Bad Girl from No More Heroes. Destory Man was dishonourable with a captial D and Bad Girl was just psychotic to be undesireable.

The woman with the scar is Helena Pierce, a character from Borderlands 1 who ran the shanty town of New Haven. In Borderlands 2 she stole a hyperion supply train and was using it to take people to Sanctuary. From Handsome Jack's perspective she's a criminal who hijacked his supplies and was helping to inflate the ranks of the anarchists he was fighting.

The guy with the spoon story is actually when I started catching on to the fact that Handsome Jack is basically the personification of the average RPG player character. Listen to the actual audio:


Handsome Jack went into a bandit town, which he knew was stealing his supplies, and which was sending people to Sanctuary, and he burned it to the ground. A guy (not an old man) attacked him with a spoon in desperation, and Handsome Jack killed him. The tone of the story and the way he tells it sounds like a player going into an area that he's way over-leveled for, and just wrecking the hell out of it for fun, just because he can. It's something that we all do when we get bored, take our new-found god-like powers, and go into an early game area and just kill enemies in creative ways for the fun of it.

As far as the workers in Opportunity go, what would you rather do, work in what's basically a sweatshop, or have to live in a wasteland full of murderous psychopaths who would kill you as soon as look at you? Jack built an entire city for these people from scratch, provides security for them 24 hours a day to protect the city from bandits, and sends them supplies which are impossible to get anywhere else on the planet. All that is expensive, so he makes the workers work hard for all of it.

Then you make this point which makes absolutely no sense:

Also there was that threat that he was willing to killed ANYONE (let it be civilian, kids etc) that cross path with the Vault Hunter over the death of his daughter isn't heroic but an outright monster that got unleash! Ok sure some games are like that mainly revenge story but I still view that not to be the hero way.

He didn't threaten everyone who crossed paths with the Vault Hunters, he had previously put a bounty on the vault hunters' heads and was now reversing that policy, saying that if anyone killed the vault hunters before he himself got the chance that he would kill them. How many civilians or kids do you think could possibly stand any kind of chance at killing any of the vault hunters? None, the warning wasn't for them, it was for the various other bandit groups out in the wastelands who also wanted to kill the vault hunters for revenge.

 

[lassiie]

I find it humorous this thread got hijacked into a Handsome Jack debate.

Handsome Jack is actually a fascinating character, like someone pointed out in a different post, he isn't all that much different from the Vault Hunter. The vault Hunter kills 100's, if not thousands of bandits by the time the game is over, all for your own ends. Just like the vault hunter, he has no problem mercilessly killing people to attain his goals.

Let's be honest, how many times did you laugh during this game as you killed bandits. I can think of plenty of times, like when I shot a suicide bandit and he dropped his grenade in a group of like four bandits and they all tried to scramble away and were killed. I cracked up laughing, which honestly isn't that much different from Handsome Jack. The thing to remember is even though we may have an attachment to certain characters he brutalizes, he sees them as Bandits and kills them just like the vault hunter would kill bandits.

As for the whole Angel debacle, well it seems like he is trying to save people from her. He saw her kill his wife and her mother because she couldn't control her powers, and I think since he views himself as the hero, he had a responsibility to save others from his daughter. When he realized that he needed her to find the vault and ultimately "save" Pandora, he decided to do it for the greater good.

 

[EmperorZinyak]

I'm gonna say The Darkness from, well, The Darkness video game. He exists only to inflict as much pain and death as he can on human beings, psychologically tortures his host, and is responsible for keeping thousands of people in complete agony in a perpetual WW1 battle. He has absolutely no capacity for mercy, remorse, or empathy, going so far as to make you watch your girlfriend die because "she was a burden".

 

[IndigoJuly]

Either Popo or Nana from Super Smash Brothers Melee
- Seriously.


They sacrifice their sibling.

 

[Mikeybb]

Mahatma Gandhi from Civilisation.

This guy has been riding my ass for five versions of this game and still wont let up.

Never trust Gandhi.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

I find it humorous this thread got hijacked into a Handsome Jack debate.

Handsome Jack is actually a fascinating character, like someone pointed out in a different post, he isn't all that much different from the Vault Hunter. The vault Hunter kills 100's, if not thousands of bandits by the time the game is over, all for your own ends. Just like the vault hunter, he has no problem mercilessly killing people to attain his goals.

Let's be honest, how many times did you laugh during this game as you killed bandits. I can think of plenty of times, like when I shot a suicide bandit and he dropped his grenade in a group of like four bandits and they all tried to scramble away and were killed. I cracked up laughing, which honestly isn't that much different from Handsome Jack. The thing to remember is even though we may have an attachment to certain characters he brutalizes, he sees them as Bandits and kills them just like the vault hunter would kill bandits.

As for the whole Angel debacle, well it seems like he is trying to save people from her. He saw her kill his wife and her mother because she couldn't control her powers, and I think since he views himself as the hero, he had a responsibility to save others from his daughter. When he realized that he needed her to find the vault and ultimately "save" Pandora, he decided to do it for the greater good.

While Handsome Jack does share many similarities to the player, he takes it such an extreme that it just becomes disgusting.

Including:

- Strangling employees that question his choices and who just flat out oppose him.
- Making littering in Opportunity (and complaining about laws, calling it verbal littering) punishable by death.
- Ruining towns that did submit to him. (See Overlook)
- Experimenting on people with slag, even when they were afflicted with a condition that would compromise said experiment.
- Luring people to planet to search for the vault and then killing them.

There are probably others I'm forgetting at the moment.

However, Angel did not kill Jack's wife. In an echo recording during the mission "Getting to know Jack", an employee remarks that his wife wanted him to shut down Control Core Angel. If she had died beforehand, how is this possible? And besides which, Angel makes it quite clear (and you tell from the way Jack talks to Angel) that Jack sees here as a tool to find the vault, not his daughter. Well, except when it's convenient for him. Like blaming you for killing her, even though she asked for you to.

 

[lassiie]

Probably Kefka. There's not even a real reason for him to do what he does beyond it just being fun. There really isn't even any easily pushed aside personal desire or belief.

The fact that he was also the first name to spring to mind despite that game being maybe a bit before my time probably means he wins.

To add to the Handsome Jack sub-thread (Spoilers follow, obviously, but old game so no boxes): whoever is arguing that he's _legitimately_ the hero apparently quit playing before the plot got to the wildlife preserve. Jack starting out seeming kind of like a fun guy whose opposition to the PCs is somewhere between legitimate public interest (you are a bunch of criminals, after all) and Boss Hogg chasing them duke boys, and then slooooowly building up into him being a complete, raving monster by act 3 as more background and characterization is revealed, is the entire point of the character.

Seriously, basically his entire trope is "not so harmless". He starts out being the villain by virtue of being a rich guy who taunts you with how you're poor and can't have his money, and by the end he's heavily implied to be into child rape and has explicitly locked his daughter in a collar in a small box for most of her natural life and personally tortured Tannis almost to the point of death simply because he found it amusing. Put those last two together and draw obvious conclusions about some of his dialogue with Angel (and her suicide) at your own risk.

(I mean, he literally kills someone's pet while taunting him about it, do they need to have him kicking a three-legged dog on-screen to convey what's going on there?)

I think one of the things you are missing is the fact that if we as player characters had the option, we probably would do some of these things. For instance, if there was a button to scoop out a bandits eyeballs I would've done it and probably laughed. I think Jack by the end loses all his legitimacy, but to a certain extent the player character drove him to that point.

 

[Sylocat]

Yeah, Kefka was the first name that leapt to mind for me, too.

 

[VaporWare]

Going to go with the Dnyarri from Star Control II: The Ur-Quan Masters.

Most villains we meet are trying to gain power for some terrible purpose or other. The Dnyarri /have/ power already, it's built into them: the ability to flatly compel others to do their whim. A single Dnyarri is capable of subverting the will of an entire space-fareing culture with little to no apparent strain.

What makes them evil?

Their total lack of purpose. The Dnyarri are lazy, and their minds are as small and petty as they are staggeringly powerful. They're chronically bored, but so unwilling to engage that they'd rather psychically force each other (or better yet, some other species) to do things for them.

They have no higher aim. The most ambitious Dnyarri in the history of their species just wants revenge at having been overthrown and enslaved by those they enslaved, and can't even really be arsed to care enough about that to take action without serious prodding.

And yet, even without any meaningful aim beyond their own base comforts, their actions in the world have carried nothing but catastrophic consequences for everyone around them: the casual annihilation of no fewer than three species, the torturous birth of two of the most warlike aliens in the stars, a litany of subsequent wars that would leave a swathe of destruction across half the galaxy with the other half in chains, and the subversion of the Dnyarri race itself into little more than mindless translators at the hands of those they'd maligned the worst.

What makes them irredeemable?

See above on the lack of higher aim. When one is finally 'rescued' from it's own poetically ironic slavery, it's first act is to subvert it's rescuers and begin planning petty vengeance...which it will never execute on it's own, without being goaded and forced into action by someone who can resist it, because it's easier to just hang back and stew while being waited on by an entire civilization.

 

[Asclepion]

My answer is a character from Danganronpa:

Spoiler: Danganronpa 1 and 2 spoilers

Junko Enoshima, the Ultimate Despair.

She's not just evil, she's specifically the best in the world at being evil, and spreading it.

Her influence was such that 2000 high school students committed suicide for her, and she later remarks (From beyond the grave, mind you) that it is one of her best memories.

She killed her sister because "Eh, why not? Couldn't hurt"

But she's so cute!

The Catalyst from Mass Effect 3. That guy murdered quadrillions of innocent people over the millennia, did something to Commander Shepard's brain, and made Shepard carry out his insane scheme for him.

Oh God. I was going to post about Resident Evil, and how the various bioweapon corporations are so inept at keeping control of said bioweapons, but your comment refreshed my mind.

Starchild's insistence that "machines will always destroy biologicals, so machines must destroy biologicals to keep them from building machines" is an affront to all logic, and it's premise is demonstrably untrue from the players actions throughout the games. Also, the Catalyst is introduced at what should be the climax, bringing all the events to a screeching halt with his exposition. I cannot fathom worse writing than this.

 

[SerithVC]

Sakaki from .hack//G.U. probably my most hated video game character that i can recall. If you wanna know more about the shit he does, either play the games or watch a lp of them

 

[Scars Unseen]

Even the games that allow you to slaughter hundreds of vicious foes don't usually let you burn down their villages and kill their families.

Well there is Warcraft... Burning down farms and killing all the workers is a thing you do in that series. Actually, a lot of games in the various flavors of strategy genre encourage that sort of behavior. In the 4X genre one of the most common ways to deal with an opponent is to wipe out their entire civilization. Sometimes you can merely conquer their planets and erase their civilians' cultural identities, but orbital bombardment, atmospheric poisoning and planetary(or sometimes system wide) annihilation are options too.

 

[mechalynx]

The Catalyst from Mass Effect 3. That guy murdered quadrillions of innocent people over the millennia, did something to Commander Shepard's brain, and made Shepard carry out his insane scheme for him.

I'm going one step farther and say - the Leviathans. They created the Reapers in order to control the "lesser" races and it bit them in the ass. They only regret their creation to the extent that it greatly inconveniences them and not the fact that they are responsible for eons of systematic genocide. It is even hinted that should the Reapers be defeated they'll gladly go back to enslaving the Milky Way.

I can't see the Catalyst being evil any more that a gun being evil. Its reasoning is based on the protocols written by the Leviathans. Its not an AI, but a complex VI, like EDI was before Cerberus repurposed her as Normandy's brain.

Honestly, the first thing the allied forces should do is find the ocean planet those lobsters are hiding on and boil it from orbit.

 

[renegade7]

Probably Kefka. There's not even a real reason for him to do what he does beyond it just being fun. There really isn't even any easily pushed aside personal desire or belief.

Yea, I was going to go with Kefka also. Lots of villains have reasons for their evildoing, like money, power, or ideology. Those people aren't necessarily evil because they think they're doing good, or at the least they're just single-minded in pursuit of some goal. Kefka was just doing it for shits and giggles.

Sometimes with villains, actually a lot of the time if things have been done correctly, there is a bit of empathy and a kernel of humanity that you can relate to. A great villain shows the worst of something that exists in all of us, and appeals to our sense of control over the universe: as long as we're good, we'll never be threatened by evil people. That, or the villain's story makes you think about whether or not they're truly that awful and makes you contemplate the merits of evil yourself (Dhaos, for anyone who played Tales of Phantasia, is the picture of this in my opinion).

But Kefka, your only thought is "Holy shit this guy needs to be put down".

Also, I think humanity in the Warhammer 40,000 universe is pretty damn evil. If it weren't for their vicious racism, they could easily unite the galaxy and annihilate the threat of chaos and the Tyranids, Orks and Necrons aside (though the Necrons do actually have enough of an interest in fighting chaos and enough capacity for reason that alliance with the living races wouldn't be out of the question for them, their utter contempt notwithstanding, and a lot of the fluff shows that the Orks aren't entirely unreceptive to bribes by non-greenskins or at least being pointed in the right direction, and their own fluff indicates that they enjoy killing Chaos daemons above all else), but humanity refuses to do this and makes its own situation worse with their sheer determination to continue making enemies. Their evil is from their stupidity and total lack of rationale, which threatens not only them but every living thing in the galaxy.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Probably Kefka. There's not even a real reason for him to do what he does beyond it just being fun. There really isn't even any easily pushed aside personal desire or belief.

The fact that he was also the first name to spring to mind despite that game being maybe a bit before my time probably means he wins.

To add to the Handsome Jack sub-thread (Spoilers follow, obviously, but old game so no boxes): whoever is arguing that he's _legitimately_ the hero apparently quit playing before the plot got to the wildlife preserve. Jack starting out seeming kind of like a fun guy whose opposition to the PCs is somewhere between legitimate public interest (you are a bunch of criminals, after all) and Boss Hogg chasing them duke boys, and then slooooowly building up into him being a complete, raving monster by act 3 as more background and characterization is revealed, is the entire point of the character.

Seriously, basically his entire trope is "not so harmless". He starts out being the villain by virtue of being a rich guy who taunts you with how you're poor and can't have his money, and by the end he's heavily implied to be into child rape and has explicitly locked his daughter in a collar in a small box for most of her natural life and personally tortured Tannis almost to the point of death simply because he found it amusing. Put those last two together and draw obvious conclusions about some of his dialogue with Angel (and her suicide) at your own risk.

(I mean, he literally kills someone's pet while taunting him about it, do they need to have him kicking a three-legged dog on-screen to convey what's going on there?)

Actually I've played through the game 4 times as Salvador, once as Zero, and once as Gaige, and I've also played through all the DLCs twice. So no, I didn't stop playing before the wildlife preserve.

Yes, he tortured Tannis to get information out of her, but to him she's basically a terrorist. He followed the hero trope of "letting the bad guy live." Hell, he even flat out states it "We let her live. Because that's what heroes do, they show mercy." It's no different from when it's done in other games, like Bioshock Infinite, except that it's seen as worse here because we're on the other side, when it's OUR friend who was hurt, not the other way around. It's not even specifically stated that he tortured her because he found it amusing. He was there for a purpose, to get the key to the vault, and he tortured her until he got it. He tells you that he tortured her for hours, and it makes it sound like he enjoyed it, but it could just be to get a rise out of you, which is exactly what every single communication from him is about, to screw with you. That's not even the mention the fact that the vault hunters also torture people. The entire Tiny Tina DLC is basically the Vault Hunters playing a table top RPG to pass the time while they torture a Hyperion employee to get information about the Hyperion moon base.

I can't remember a single place in the game where child rape is implied. Sorry but you're going to have to back that one up with actual evidence.

The thing that got to people the most is that he killed Bloodwing, but the only reason that you really care about him killing Bloodwing is because you played as Mordecai and got attached to her, but it's not like the Vault Hunters haven't done similar things. Hell, in the first Borderlands the first boss, 9 Toes, has 2 pet scags that you kill during the fight. At that point in the game most people just get their first fire weapon and burn the animals to death. I'm sure 9 Toes would be sad about that, you know, if you didn't kill him a few seconds later. Does that make the first game's Vault Hunters evil?

I'm not saying that Handsome Jack is some paragon of virtue or anything, but when you compare him and the vault hunters, he's actually the hero. What are the Vault Hunters' goals? Well they basically want anarchy on Pandora, and they want money and guns. In his own dying words "You idiots! The Warrior could have brought peace to this planet! No more dangerous creatures, no more bandits, Pandora-it would have been a PARADISE!!" He just has the better ideals, and considering both he and the vault hunters basically use the same tactics to get what they want, their ideals are basically the only thing that separates them.

 

[Sniper Team 4]

I find it humorous this thread got hijacked into a Handsome Jack debate.

Yeah...sorry about that. I didn't think so many people would jump on him for discussion like this. My bad.

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If you're talking about the mission where Mordecai asks you to find 5 ECHO logs, then I have no idea what you were listening to, but he never killed anyone's kid. He might have done it in another log, but not in the logs that Mordecai asks you to find in Get to Know Jack. Those just explain how he got to where he is at that time.

Found it! It's in Opportunity, not that other place. My fault. It's the third audio log in the video. Starts at 1:09. The only other way I could read this would be him saying, "Never mention, or go see, your sons again," which is still pretty vile, but I'm betting he's planning to have them killed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLGbwxi9KgY

 

[Trunkage]

Carver from Walking Dead season 2. The guy be crazy and his violence doesn't make sense