The new "Home" of the internet

[shatnershaman]

WTFEricson how much does Sony send you? I hear Indigo_Dingo makes $540,000.00 Salary plus Dental and Jumplion gets $760.00 a Hour plus Overtime. I Get $125,000.00 every 500 Pro MS comment.

 

[D_987]

This topic is really stupid to be honest, your effectivly tryin to claim the PS3's browsing capabilities are better than a PC'S.

What youfail to see is that the PS3 does not do this, home will not allow you to wander trough home pahes with an avatar, althoguh a team at Lindon labs (creators of second life) are actually looking into the possibilites of that, Sony are not.

And futher more, Songs online capabilities are terrible, nobody (unless they are incredibly stupid) uses their PS3 to browse the internet when they have a PC, thats more reliable (lets face itthe PS3 is slow) can run better games (=p) and is easier to use (the mouse)

In short, the PS3's online capabilities (they are just getting to the stage Xbox live was in 2002 in the whole online games department and your trying to claim they are the future...)are terrible.

And Sony tried the same portable internet thing with the PSP and failed, because moving a stick around is really annoying for the less capable people (who you call Grandmas)than simply scrolling up or down, lets not have any pretence here, the PS3's controller is not better than a mouse.

Like I said I study exastentionalism, I don't beleive in fighting for the sake of fighting and the brains addictions (it slows the evolution process), but I must defend my statements (defending others promotes evlotion).

I never said that it was "better", I have said "I never said it was better" multiple times now though. I just beleive it to be a good app that mirrors the ultimate evolution of the internet and mankinds needs to share thoughts and ideas easier than what we have with the current system of the internet. Much like the internet you will still deal with "shit", but it allows a broader spectrum of people to enjoy/share that otherwise get frustrated by the current alternatives.

I don't think I'm "better" than you, I just wanted to come in a place ideas were shared and get some feadback to increase my knowledge. I'm sorry if the subject frustrated you.

Nope, the subject didn't annoy me - YOU annoyed me, you fail to see the basic idea that this would never work and is never going to happen, you keep banging on and on whilt everyone else (except PS3 fanboys) tell you otherwise - Sony are not working on this - its not going to be the future, and it would be inpractical.

You think small time businesses, or manyother webstes for that matter would want to host servers for thousands of avatars to suit...well who...it would take up to much space, it would ruin websites because 9 / 10 you only go on a website to find one bit of infomation (for example work) The PS3'S controller is inefficient and does not work better than a mouse.

Generally most people on The Escapist arn't fanboys (except Indigo) but some of the comments you've made are starting to get annoying, particualry as you keep going on about "could be", or "would be".

The difference is, its not happening, Sony are working on Home to keep casual gamers happy, (the sims), the Wii is basically a casual gers machine anyway, and Xbox Live is making avatars which you can use in games like 1 v 100, thats it.

Out the 3 I prefer the 360's because they offer more variety than the Wii's but are not a vital function, whilst every PS fanboy keeps going on about Home like its anything other than a glorified Sims.

Its not the future of the internet, if you seriously beleive that you need to go away and have a long think.

 

[Jumplion]

WTFEricson how much does Sony send you? I hear Indigo_Dingo makes $540,000.00 Salary plus Dental and Jumplion gets $760.00 a Hour plus Overtime. I Get $125,000.00 every 500 Pro MS comment.

I swear, you will absolutely love the extra space on your harddrive if you get the 80GB PS3 model! I'm sure you wouldn't need the backwards compatibility, I'd assume you'd already have a PS2. Oh, and you cannot forget the free oNlInE!!!

[/sales person]

 

[noradseven]

why are you guys still talking to him he is obviously a sony plant or just a really psycho fanboy, who is on like 3-5 kinds of drugs. Basically everything the plant has said is lies or twists of the truth!!!

Im sorry but its the truth the Xbox360 has been outselling the PS3 for 2, 2week blocks in a row thats 1 month IN LOVING JAPAN, heck the PS2 has been killing the PS3 in sales. I don't have a PS2 and I want one but do I want a PS3 no.

Nintendo and Microsoft are pretty much dominating the console market, and even in handhelds DS is outselling 2:1 .

And in response to your original point, yeah its totally possible to make the internet on consoles especially cause all 3 have USB ports, just put X browser on it an IRC chat, IM clinet, but ohhh wait how much is a PS3 $400 like $300 used, and how much is this laptop http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220270 , that's right $250 and the better models have a bigger harddrive. Or you can spend $500 and get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220355 with about an 6 hour battery life don't belive it supposite 8 hours (its liez) . Both of which were designed to be the masters of the internet, on the go as well.

 

[WTEricson]

why are you guys still talking to him he is obviously a sony plant or just a really psycho fanboy, who is on like 3-5 kinds of drugs. Basically everything the plant has said is lies or twists of the truth!!!

Im sorry but its the truth the Xbox360 has been outselling the PS3 for 2, 2week blocks in a row thats 1 month IN LOVING JAPAN, heck the PS2 has been killing the PS3 in sales. I don't have a PS2 and I want one but do I want a PS3 no.

Nintendo and Microsoft are pretty much dominating the console market, and even in handhelds DS is outselling 2:1 .

And in response to your original point, yeah its totally possible to make the internet on consoles especially cause all 3 have USB ports, just put X browser on it an IRC chat, IM clinet, but ohhh wait how much is a PS3 $400 like $300 used, and how much is this laptop http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220270 , that's right $250 and the better models have a bigger harddrive. Or you can spend $500 and get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220355 with about an 6 hour battery life don't belive it supposite 8 hours (its liez) . Both of which were designed to be the masters of the internet, on the go as well.

Again... we're getting off subject, but seems inevitable. One of the issues I always had with "PC gaming" is the more money you spend on a PC the more of an advantage you have. Which gives PC elitists/geeks a false sense of superiority they crave, and turns off the mainstream. Which is basicly like having someone get the 1st 10 moves in chess, then listening to them tell you your "gay" when you lose. Its stupid and it's a turn-off to the "casual" gamer. I think you will start understanding in due time.

All I have done is started a thread about a subject I'm interested in. You are the ones coming in to insult, not add anything constructive. Thought this was the place for an open discussion without childish name calling...

 

[D_987]

why are you guys still talking to him he is obviously a sony plant or just a really psycho fanboy, who is on like 3-5 kinds of drugs. Basically everything the plant has said is lies or twists of the truth!!!

Im sorry but its the truth the Xbox360 has been outselling the PS3 for 2, 2week blocks in a row thats 1 month IN LOVING JAPAN, heck the PS2 has been killing the PS3 in sales. I don't have a PS2 and I want one but do I want a PS3 no.

Nintendo and Microsoft are pretty much dominating the console market, and even in handhelds DS is outselling 2:1 .

And in response to your original point, yeah its totally possible to make the internet on consoles especially cause all 3 have USB ports, just put X browser on it an IRC chat, IM clinet, but ohhh wait how much is a PS3 $400 like $300 used, and how much is this laptop http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220270 , that's right $250 and the better models have a bigger harddrive. Or you can spend $500 and get this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220355 with about an 6 hour battery life don't belive it supposite 8 hours (its liez) . Both of which were designed to be the masters of the internet, on the go as well.

Again... we're getting off subject, but seems inevitable. One of the issues I always had with "PC gaming" is the more money you spend on a PC the more of an advantage you have. Which gives PC elitists/geeks a false sense of superiority they crave, and turns off the mainstream. Which is basicly like having someone get the 1st 10 moves in chess, then listening to them tell you your "gay" when you lose. Its stupid and it's a turn-off to the "casual" gamer. I think you will start understanding in due time.

All I have done is started a thread about a subject I'm interested in. You are the ones coming in to insult, not add anything constructive. Thought this was the place for an open discussion without childish name calling...

Your getting heavy critasism for not paying any attension to what people are saying. They are explaining why you are wrong, you are blindly going on about how you are right, what do you expect?

 

[Serious_Stalin]

Joe goes onto Home, is likewise advertised some viagra from another home user, attempts rent out iron man and dies of old age while waiting for it to buffer.

Homes a nice idea but Sony are in too deep.

 

[Hawgh]

Again... we're getting off subject, but seems inevitable. One of the issues I always had with "PC gaming" is the more money you spend on a PC the more of an advantage you have. Which gives PC elitists/geeks a false sense of superiority they crave, and turns off the mainstream. Which is basicly like having someone get the 1st 10 moves in chess, then listening to them tell you your "gay" when you lose. Its stupid and it's a turn-off to the "casual" gamer. I think you will start understanding in due time.

All I have done is started a thread about a subject I'm interested in. You are the ones coming in to insult, not add anything constructive. Thought this was the place for an open discussion without childish name calling...

You can't fault the PC for the actions of its' users.

Also, I will say again that you could get a quite decent PC for the same price as a PS3, and it puzzles me that you're so convinced that the addition of a a browser and something Second Life-esque will be enough to force the PC to cease to be as a gaming and utility platform.

Also, isn't one of the main selling points for the PS3 that it's the most powerful console on the market, by a long shot? Why would this appeal more to the casual gamer and not the "elitists/geeks"?(I'm also rather offended at this remark of yours).
Furthermore, the games in which you mostly encounter people who swear by such remarks as "gay, n00b etc." are games such as WoW, CounterStrike, Halo & Team Fortress. Games that don't exactly have abhorrently high hardware requirements.

Lastly, no, I won't change my mind, all you've done is spurt propaganda and avoiding to back it up when pressed.

 

[shatnershaman]

Which is basicly like having someone get the 1st 10 moves in chess, then listening to them tell you your "gay" when you lose. Its stupid and it's a turn-off to the "casual" gamer. I think you will start understanding in due time.

Wait Home will have no mic support? Or magic anti swearing software? If only Halo and Resistance did.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

I would be nice if we could make this forum and no fanboy zone. I could sum up the last page like this "lol xbox 360 > ps3", "lol no it isnt u fag", "lol wateva sony must b payin u".
This was not directed to people with well balanced posts with thought-out arguments.

Again... we're getting off subject, but seems inevitable. One of the issues I always had with "PC gaming" is the more money you spend on a PC the more of an advantage you have. Which gives PC elitists/geeks a false sense of superiority they crave, and turns off the mainstream.

Well, I don't think that statement is fair. As I've said before you can get a PC that can play your modern games for a very reasonable price these days. If someone WANTS to waste all their money on a PC then far be it for me to complain. PC gaming isn't really the domain of the casual gamer beyond your Peggle and your Bejeweled because PC games are generally more geared around sucking you into the game and making you feel a part of it, and this isn't a concept that appeals to casual gamers. Maxis games excluded obviously.

Which is basicly like having someone get the 1st 10 moves in chess, then listening to them tell you your "gay" when you lose. Its stupid and it's a turn-off to the "casual" gamer. I think you will start understanding in due time.

Well, the casual gamer wouldn't want to play Half-Life or System Shock. As I just said, they want something you can pick up for 30 minutes then drift off and do something else. Ironically, this is how I play most games but that's more a short attention span than.. ooh shinies.
I remember one time when I was playing FFXI, I skipped through one of the story cutscenes until some pretty colours showed up. Now my linkshell thinks I'm simple minded, but that's a serious tangent.

All I have done is started a thread about a subject I'm interested in. You are the ones coming in to insult, not add anything constructive. Thought this was the place for an open discussion without childish name calling...

I think I said this before. I've been trying to argue with this on the same level as you. So, if that comment was directed at me you can go do things to yourself.

 

[ElephantGuts]

There will always be a seperate internet because I doubt the PS3 is going to offer access to porn and porn forums and other 'socially innapropriate' materials.

 

[WTEricson]

As far as buffering, where I live I might wait 1min tops for a 2 hour movie.

As far as the PC elitist comment, honestly having someone taunt me in a game doesn't bother me... kinda part of the game, but when they barely win and have a PC with twice the draw distance, 5 times the resolution, and no pop-up... ya... that is BS any way you look at it.

The "casual" reference was more to the point that anyone that doesn't play until their eyes blead is called casual for some odd reason. I have taken years off from gaming, but also played WoW (way tooo long) and have relatives that have played Runescape (why I have no idea) for years, but don't touch any other game. Doesn't meen their casual just because they don't know any other games.

The "casual" to me implies anyone who doesn't feal like dealing with the pain-in-the-ass that is PC gaming to most PC gamers. Or anyone who plays a Wii to Xbox gamers. It is quickly turning into a word people use to imply others are "less than" themselves, thus is elitist in nature. Really I beleive gaming will replace TV/Movies as the main form of entertainment one day... maybe not for a loooooooooong time, but seems inevitable.

I understand your point of veiw, but alot of what I'm hearing from some of you seems solely intended to provoke and not to discuss. Does it not seem reasonable to think one day there won't be consoles or PCs? We are already to the point people can nearly carry their computers in the palm of their hands. It just seems like a matter of time before all the media is incorperated into one device that we can put in our pocket, then plug in our TVs for a larger more detailed experience. Even then you will have people that refuse to use them for some lame outdated concept. Books are the Devil.

The integration of the "PC gaming" and "console gaming" isn't a possibility in your mind? Just seems like a natural thing to me.

 

[Phoenix Arrow]

As far as the PC elitist comment, honestly having someone taunt me in a game doesn't bother me... kinda part of the game, but when they barely win and have a PC with twice the draw distance, 5 times the resolution, and no pop-up... ya... that is BS any way you look at it.

...When does draw distance matter in any game other than the extremely large maps in Crysis?

Seriously, why are you still trolling?

Or resolution for that matter.

 

[WTEricson]

Distannce matters in any multiplayer versus game, I can see you but you can't see me.

Why am I checking this post, that I made (and not doing it for purpose of goating)... because I get bored easily. Why are you?

Resolution differences matter for shooters soooo much, like seeing the guy in the bushes.

It seems hypocritical that the points you used to say PC gaming is "better" are the same points you now say don't matter.

 

[TOGSolid]

kinda part of the game, but when they barely win and have a PC with twice the draw distance, 5 times the resolution, and no pop-up... ya... that is BS any way you look at it.

I own both a 360 and a PS2 and I'm contemplating getting a ps3 now that it's starting to get a selection of titles I'm interested in (fuck the Wii though). However, I am primarily a PC gamer. Not due to any sort of elitism or anything, but mostly just because there's no way to take a fully powered console to sea easily. Unless, of course, they scale them down to laptop sized boxes with built in lcd screens (which would be all sorts of epic win).

I just recently replaced my old ailing laptop. It was on its deathbed and in dire need of retirement. It could run the new stuff okish, but certainly not well. My new laptop is a Sager 9262 and since I've gotten it up and running, I've been kinda dazed by just how much being able to max a game out can actually improve how well you do. In call of duty 4 for instance, I always thought there was something fishy with snipers popping me through the smoke, until I loaded up a maxed out COD4 on my new rig and found that, in fact, there are whisps and what not in the smoke cloud you can catch glances of people through.
I've since been going through a lot of my other games and almost relishing just much more of an advantage my new rig gives me.
I do realize though, that PC Gaming needs to be standarized in some format because of that exact problem. Too many games with wildly different requirements really makes the platform unwieldy. PC developemet needs to be setup so that every one with a computer that can meet the requirements can play it, but those that dropped the money on a big shiny system will be able to push the graphics further just like they can now. Likewise, on a console, those that drop the money on a bigass HDTV do enjoy a hardware advantage over those still playing on an older, smaller tv.

As far as convergence is concerned, it's pretty much inevitable. Consoles are becoming more and more like mini-pcs and there's even ways to use a mouse and keyboard to play games with them. Likewise, on the software side of PC Gaming, you're seeing more services that offer unified friends/gaming/built in store/etc. (i.e. Steam). The part where we stumble, as said before, is the hardware side of life.

The casual/hardcore argument has been getting done to death lately it seems. I play my games for fun and don't obsess over my score, but apparantly that makes me a noob (at least until they ragequit the server after I send them into orbit a few times with my c4 in cod4 oloololol). Am I a casual gamer because of that? Or is the casual gamer someone who doesn't get wrapped up in gaming. Someone who comes home, plays some a round of madden and then goes off to hang out. Perhaps the casual gamer is someone who only plays bejweled and other simply pop cap games, however then that's starting to hit grey area territory again because what's the difference between someone who knows all of the ins and outs and tricks of bejewled and plays it a lot, vs someone who someone who devotes an equal amount of effort to Quake 3/Counter-strike/etc.? Would that make them hardcore casual players because they're t3h b3st at bejewled? Frankly, the entire argument is just one of semantics and personal opinion. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go play Geometry Wars until my face falls off again.

 

[Terminator7240]

So, skipped page two and three because this is been going for WAAAY too long. Yes, I do take offence to being called a 'PC elitist/geek'. I have a PS2 AND an N64, I love the backwards-compatibility on my PS2-even though I don't have anything worth playing for PSone. Also, The only thing I could see myself playing on a Playstation 3 is MGS4.

Now, onto the graphics stats your gargling about. The PC has such a huge range of possibilities you can only summarize it to a certain point. After that, your generalizing and should be removed from the gene pool for your incompetence. There are [angels singing] Alienware [/angels singing] machines, then there's the pieced together tugboat you bought at Future Shop on sale for 199. I have a good low-mid Acer (with Vista, puke) but hell it runs Company of Heroes exceptionally better than my other computer at a fine 1440x900. Yes, I'm being a geek here, shut up and let me finish. Way back on my old machine, I ran 2142-if at all-and it was still gut-wrenchingly slow no matter what happened. Now, it lags when I'm in the middle of an arty strike and being pummeled by a walker. Or if the server decided to die.
Now, this contrast is blinding, and that's how it's always been. If you can't accept that I can in fact play Crysis without my computer dying with half of the detail settings at medium, go eat a Blu-Ray player.

Next, Blu-Ray (or rather Blue-Ray, and I'm calling it that for the rest of my life) is a lie. I don't care if it has 80 gigs of space, Myst (the ORIGINAL) was 4 megabytes on a single disk and that was advanced when it was released. Now, you'll be hard pressed to not find a game smaller than 2 gigs. Your harddrive has 80gigs too? That's nice, given that half the game your playing is on there so it can run without loading every two seconds. Blue-Ray is slow, and High-Def is what I call w/e. It's shiny, whatever. Just gimme my regular DVD's that cost only 5 bucks; I grew up on VHS and I thought DVD was a lie when it came out. I love not needing to rewind stuff. (For your info, no I'm not ancient)

Distance drawing doesn't change now matter how far you move that slider. I have never noticed a difference. Unless it's because I don't in fact have hacks to remove the fog that keeps my game running and prevents me from sniping across the map. Although that would be awesome....

I'm checking this post because I saw it in the 'Recent Activity' section, that's why. And also because any praising of the PS3 must be bullshit & chips, because I've only heard bad things about it.

PC gaming has mouse and keyboard. Nothing can beat the precision and fast-action of a mouse. Other than maybe virtual reality. Anyway, PC gaming can be a lot faster in that sense.

What else haven't I touched on...Oh yeah price. My computer was borderline $800 CAD. I don't think the same price for a PS3 that has all of its flaws and Blue-Ray will make me want to exchange my powerhouse for a colossal black box. And MGS4. No thanks, I'll keep my EvE playing machine,

I think that's about it....If not, I'm sure one of you will deign to bring it up.

Oh yeah, WTEricson, your arguments would be a lot more convincing if youre spellign wasnt horrndus, and that you didn't sound like a drugged up Sony advocate trying to convince diehard PC'ers that we are wrong and must open our minds to the revolution of Home.

OH YEAH! That's what I forgot; Home. It's a lie. Just the like the cake. Only the cake is real-I've eaten it. MUAHAHAHAAHA---I digress.
Better than PC internet browsing? Can it be true? Can it REALLY?
Short answer, NO.
Long answer, No, Internet Expolorer 5 000 000 000 007 tried it and epically failed. Firefox is better and I don't want to hear any trash about it because that's what I use, it's more effective, I NEVER GET POP-UPS, and Safari is meant for Macs, so obviously it will run slow on PC.

There, you see? It wasn't that hard to rip out your heart and show it's flaws then shove it back in with naught but a second glance at how well I did it. Don't like it? It's true, get over it. PC is here to stay for a long time, whether it be a powerhouse handheld computer or the ultimate supercomputer in your home, and PS3 is just a phase with no backwards compatibility and beefed up graphics with no gameplay to back it up.