The real problem with "that scene" in Man of Steel (DCCU spoilers)

[Rangaman]

I don't think that it's because Superman killed someone. The 80s Batman movie ended with Batman killing the Joker and Batman isn't supposed to kill baddies at all. Pretty much every MCU movie that doesn't involve Loki has ended with the villain dying.

It's just a scene that exemplifies what's wrong with the movie as a whole: the overly mopey and violent tone.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

A deleted scene shows all three being walked away by police in handcuffs.

It's the Arctic! Cops have no jurisdiction there.

Zod may have been Superman's first kill, but in Batman vs Superman, we see that he has no problem with killing. Recall if you will, the General/terrorist who takes Lois hostage. Superman drives him through several brick walls at super speed. You don't survive something like that. Considering Superman's talk with the military guy after downing their drone after Metropolis, Zod's death, to me, would suggest that aside from the initial outburst, Superman felt no lasting grief or remorse for killing Zod. This would suggest that he is ok with killing. It is important to note that Superman's behaviour doesn't make him a sociopath.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Y'know, I started typing up a detailed response, but I just...can't be arsed. Not for a film that came out four years ago. All I can say is that I thought the scene was well done, and one of the most powerful scenes in a film that, while flawed (mainly in regards to editing), is still enjoyable.

I'm with you. I thought about posting a long winded response but you know what, everyone has made their opinion on the DCEU movies abundantly clear by now and there's never going to be compromise or reconciliation. Just let it go and either support the movies or don't.

Spoiler

Fuck these movies though

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

A deleted scene shows all three being walked away by police in handcuffs.

It's the Arctic! Cops have no jurisdiction there.

Zod may have been Superman's first kill, but in Batman vs Superman, we see that he has no problem with killing. Recall if you will, the General/terrorist who takes Lois hostage. Superman drives him through several brick walls at super speed. You don't survive something like that. Considering Superman's talk with the military guy after downing their drone after Metropolis, Zod's death, to me, would suggest that aside from the initial outburst, Superman felt no lasting grief or remorse for killing Zod. This would suggest that he is ok with killing. It is important to note that Superman's behaviour doesn't make him a sociopath.

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

 

[LostCrusader]

I really hated that movie, but the scene of Superman killing Zod was one of the few in the movie that I didn't hate. I would say he made the correct decision as the rookie hero he was in that movie. AFAIK he hadn't faced any actual villains before and was forced to deal with Zod immediately or watch people die.

 

[Natemans]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

Only the action? I used to think like that, but I grew to love both the story and characters. That's what makes me interested in DC's comics, movies or animation: the story and the characters.

Judging by the way Zack directs action and based on how he directed Man of Steel and BvS, I have major doubts in JL. 300 and Watchmen didn't do it for me because I'm sick of the ridiculous "slow down, speed up" of his action scenes.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I really hated that movie, but the scene of Superman killing Zod was one of the few in the movie that I didn't hate. I would say he made the correct decision as the rookie hero he was in that movie. AFAIK he hadn't faced any actual villains before and was forced to deal with Zod immediately or watch people die.

It's really not so much he killed Zod, the movie surrounding it and it having little to no impact on Clark as a character afterwards is the problem.

That is something that should've made Superman say, "I'll never kill again." But no, ten minutes into BvS he drives some dude through brick walls at an accelerated speed.

 

[Natemans]

A deleted scene shows all three being walked away by police in handcuffs.

It's the Arctic! Cops have no jurisdiction there.

Zod may have been Superman's first kill, but in Batman vs Superman, we see that he has no problem with killing. Recall if you will, the General/terrorist who takes Lois hostage. Superman drives him through several brick walls at super speed. You don't survive something like that. Considering Superman's talk with the military guy after downing their drone after Metropolis, Zod's death, to me, would suggest that aside from the initial outburst, Superman felt no lasting grief or remorse for killing Zod. This would suggest that he is ok with killing. It is important to note that Superman's behaviour doesn't make him a sociopath.

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex would be in jail anyway. Hell, he would have been in jail by the halfway mark, but its because the characters fall for his incredibly stupid, self-contradictory plan.

Which is bizarre because he said, "I'll take you in without breaking you." That sounds more like a Batman line and sounds incredibly antagonistic. Superman is meant to be a guiding hope or just be calm with not much of an insult. This makes him sound like the writers want him to be more like Batman. Which is the complete opposite.

Also that lesson he learned from feeling guilty of murdering Zod in Man of Steel is completely forgotten. Character development or consequences? What the hell is that? Plus if he hears Lois being in danger, then why didn't he save Jimmy Olsen or know his mom was getting kidnapped? Oh that's right, we need that Jimmy death because Zack thought it would be "fun" for the fans. That interview personifies why I hate Zack Snyder. -_-

And no, I don't wanna hear another "Batman is overrated" argument. I agree with you, but I'm just sick of hearing it at this point.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

Only the action? I used to think like that, but I grew to love both the story and characters. That's what makes me interested in DC's comics, movies or animation: the story and the characters.

Judging by the way Zack directs action and based on how he directed Man of Steel and BvS, I have major doubts in JL. 300 and Watchmen didn't do it for me because I'm sick of the ridiculous "slow down, speed up" of his action scenes.

That's why I love the slowdown because it accentuates the hits and blows that makes them memorable. It just does not feel boring, Like John Wick.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

A deleted scene shows all three being walked away by police in handcuffs.

It's the Arctic! Cops have no jurisdiction there.

Zod may have been Superman's first kill, but in Batman vs Superman, we see that he has no problem with killing. Recall if you will, the General/terrorist who takes Lois hostage. Superman drives him through several brick walls at super speed. You don't survive something like that. Considering Superman's talk with the military guy after downing their drone after Metropolis, Zod's death, to me, would suggest that aside from the initial outburst, Superman felt no lasting grief or remorse for killing Zod. This would suggest that he is ok with killing. It is important to note that Superman's behaviour doesn't make him a sociopath.

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex would be in jail anyway. Hell, he would have been in jail by the halfway mark, but its because the characters fall for his incredibly stupid, self-contradictory plan.

Which is bizarre because he said, "I'll take you in without breaking you." That sounds more like a Batman line and sounds incredibly antagonistic. Superman is meant to be a guiding hope or just be calm with not much of an insult. This makes him sound like the writers want him to be more like Batman. Which is the complete opposite.

Also that lesson he learned from feeling guilty of murdering Zod in Man of Steel is completely forgotten. Character development or consequences? What the hell is that? Plus if he hears Lois being in danger, then why didn't he save Jimmy Olsen or know his mom was getting kidnapped? Oh that's right, we need that Jimmy death because Zack thought it would be "fun" for the fans. That interview personifies why I hate Zack Snyder. -_-

And no, I don't wanna hear another "Batman is overrated" argument. I agree with you, but I'm just sick of hearing it at this point.

I never cared for Jimmy Olson, even as a kid watchig the animated series, so his death does not affect me at all.

I am certain he just saying that as an excuse just to admit that he doesn't care for Jimmy either so he kills him off just to not bother with the charcater so he can focus on charcaters he is interested in.

 

[Natemans]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

Only the action? I used to think like that, but I grew to love both the story and characters. That's what makes me interested in DC's comics, movies or animation: the story and the characters.

Judging by the way Zack directs action and based on how he directed Man of Steel and BvS, I have major doubts in JL. 300 and Watchmen didn't do it for me because I'm sick of the ridiculous "slow down, speed up" of his action scenes.

That's why I love the slowdown because it accentuates the hits and blows that makes them memorable. It just does not feel boring, Like John Wick.

Actually this is where I disagree. It doesn't accentuate the hits or blows. It just makes them more cartoonish and overexaggereated. John Wick knows how to utilize the action well and how to use it to its advantage.

 

[Natemans]

A deleted scene shows all three being walked away by police in handcuffs.

It's the Arctic! Cops have no jurisdiction there.

Zod may have been Superman's first kill, but in Batman vs Superman, we see that he has no problem with killing. Recall if you will, the General/terrorist who takes Lois hostage. Superman drives him through several brick walls at super speed. You don't survive something like that. Considering Superman's talk with the military guy after downing their drone after Metropolis, Zod's death, to me, would suggest that aside from the initial outburst, Superman felt no lasting grief or remorse for killing Zod. This would suggest that he is ok with killing. It is important to note that Superman's behaviour doesn't make him a sociopath.

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex would be in jail anyway. Hell, he would have been in jail by the halfway mark, but its because the characters fall for his incredibly stupid, self-contradictory plan.

Which is bizarre because he said, "I'll take you in without breaking you." That sounds more like a Batman line and sounds incredibly antagonistic. Superman is meant to be a guiding hope or just be calm with not much of an insult. This makes him sound like the writers want him to be more like Batman. Which is the complete opposite.

Also that lesson he learned from feeling guilty of murdering Zod in Man of Steel is completely forgotten. Character development or consequences? What the hell is that? Plus if he hears Lois being in danger, then why didn't he save Jimmy Olsen or know his mom was getting kidnapped? Oh that's right, we need that Jimmy death because Zack thought it would be "fun" for the fans. That interview personifies why I hate Zack Snyder. -_-

And no, I don't wanna hear another "Batman is overrated" argument. I agree with you, but I'm just sick of hearing it at this point.

I never cared for Jimmy Olson, even as a kid watchig the animated series, so his death does not affect me at all.

I am certain he just saying that as an excuse just to admit that he doesn't care for Jimmy either so he kills him off just to not bother with the charcater so he can focus on charcaters he is interested in.

I honestly find it a spit in the face. It didn't affect me until I read that interview and found it really insulting. Yes, I'm fine if you don't like him, but having a fan favorite character in there so it can please fans and just shoot him in the head because its "fun" is incredibly insulting to a fanbase. Hell, I like Jimmy Olsen and think he's an interesting side character. I'm fine if he killed him, but the motivation has to make sense as to why make this decision. Zack's decision felt more incredibly offensive and felt like he just flipped off the fans while taking their money.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

Only the action? I used to think like that, but I grew to love both the story and characters. That's what makes me interested in DC's comics, movies or animation: the story and the characters.

Judging by the way Zack directs action and based on how he directed Man of Steel and BvS, I have major doubts in JL. 300 and Watchmen didn't do it for me because I'm sick of the ridiculous "slow down, speed up" of his action scenes.

That's why I love the slowdown because it accentuates the hits and blows that makes them memorable. It just does not feel boring, Like John Wick.

Actually this is where I disagree. It doesn't accentuate the hits or blows. It just makes them more cartoonish and overexaggereated. John Wick knows how to utilize the action well and how to use it to its advantage.

Of course, hence why the slow down would go well in the cartoonish, crazy world of Superheroes.

And I just find the action boring in John Wick.

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex did state that Doomsday was meant to kill Superman, Superman most likely saw Doomsday's initial attack meant for him, and flew in before he could attack. One difference I noted with Movie D-Day, and Comic D-Day, is that the movie version only seemed to attack perceived threats, rather than mindless rampage. As for turning Lex over to the police, Superman threatened Lex with his heat vision after Lex revealed he kidnapped his mother. I don't believe Snyder-Superman is as forgiving as comic Superman.

 

[Samtemdo8_v1legacy]

If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex did state that Doomsday was meant to kill Superman, Superman most likely saw Doomsday's initial attack meant for him, and flew in before he could attack. One difference I noted with Movie D-Day, and Comic D-Day, is that the movie version only seemed to attack perceived threats, rather than mindless rampage. As for turning Lex over to the police, Superman threatened Lex with his heat vision after Lex revealed he kidnapped his mother. I don't believe Snyder-Superman is as forgiving as comic Superman.

Because this Superman really cares about his Family and Loved Ones. Like threatening them in crossing the line. But he saw reason regardless and not killed him out of rage anyway.

And he tried to plead Batman for help and stop the fight, especially when he was begging him about Martha.

 

[IamGamer41]

Oh no, I have been debating about this with people for some many years now, and you bring this argument BACK?!

Sigh.

My opinion is this as of now.

I don't care that Superman kills, infact I am glad he is man that now Kills his enemies, I don't care if it goes against his character. I grew up with characters in DBZ that kills their enemies and yet no one complains.

I play RPGs where I kill my Enemies, I killed the Lich King in my playthrough of WOW as a holy paladin of the light, I killed Ragnaros the Firelord, in KOTOR I killed Darth Malgus.


And characters like Doomsday, Zod, and Darkseid derserves to die. And that's pretty much my thoughts, Some people derserves redemtpion and fair trial, and some people derserves to die for their evil.

It's retarded to have superman kill people. You know why? Because it's super easy for him to kill. There is no challenge for him to kill anyone. Doomsday can not be killed. Thats his power so he does not count. Also if you're really a DBZ fan you know Goku hated killing. It was always the last resort to him.
BTW you didn't kill the lich king as a holy paladin you healed others while they did the killing. Well you did if you did it when it was current content like I did.

 

[Trunkage]

Snip

I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

*Scrolls down to the next part of the discussion*

So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

I was doing a bit. A gag. A goof. Even having a third option between good and bad, like mediocre, wouldn't cover how everyone felt about it. Most reviewers would start with 5 stars but then would have .5 as well. A 10 point scale is probably a minimum for a large group of people. Some people on this thread were assuming that if you don't hate MoS, then you must love it.

I was critiquing how hyperbolic people on this thread were being.

 

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If he was a sociopath he would have let Doomsday splatter Lex's brains out, but no he saved him from getting punched by Zod/Doomsday.

And I am fairly certain if Supes lived through the fight he would have turned in Lex to jail anyway.

Lex did state that Doomsday was meant to kill Superman, Superman most likely saw Doomsday's initial attack meant for him, and flew in before he could attack. One difference I noted with Movie D-Day, and Comic D-Day, is that the movie version only seemed to attack perceived threats, rather than mindless rampage. As for turning Lex over to the police, Superman threatened Lex with his heat vision after Lex revealed he kidnapped his mother. I don't believe Snyder-Superman is as forgiving as comic Superman.

Because this Superman really cares about his Family and Loved Ones. Like threatening them in crossing the line. But he saw reason regardless and not killed him out of rage anyway.

And he tried to plead Batman for help and stop the fight, especially when he was begging him about Martha.

Yet that didn't stop him from saving his dad when he could easily have saved him from the tornado with super speed and cover how he looks. That or leave the damn dog. He didn't kill him out of rage, huh? Didn't stop him from murdering that terrorist in Africa.

I bought him begging and pleading, but as soon as he flew Batman through a building, up to the rooftop and then threw him into the spotlight and hit the edge, all of my signs of being on his side were gone. Dude, Batman would be dead by that point.

 

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I am trying to put things like Superman At Earth's End back to the pedestal of Nadir of Superhero things which the Current DCEU movies are now standing on by popular opinion, because to me its just wrong, it is absolutely horribly wrong that Man of Steel/BvS is on that pedestal and not Superman At Earth's End/Justice League Act of God/Dark Knight Strikes Again. And mind you I am not also putting the DCEU movies into a pedestal of "BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVER" I know there flawed, but they are not flawed enough for me to say they are up there with Birdemic and the Amazing Bulk.

Don't you understand? If you don't absolutely hate MoS and think its the worst, then you actually think its the best. There are only worst and best (which is even funnier when you consider that there are like 7 superman movies and two point of appraisal doesn't cut it)...

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So your attitude is just because you don't agree with someone for not liking a movie you did? That's kinda dumb. Dude, opinions are different and people can like or dislike whatever they want.

Saying its an injustice to say that Man of Steel is a bad movie and one of the worst things in the superhero comics or films isn't a disservice. All of those comics are bad too and I can apply BvS on the list of worst things to happen to DC because I found them to be awful. If you didn't, that's fine. Subjective opinions.

Again difference of opinion. Personally I found Birdemic to be hilarious to watch and Amazing Bulk I find forgettable more than one of the worst I've seen.

Well at least now there is a list of bad things. Makes it seem like there is a whole pile of terrible with one on top. So... yay to score granulation!?

Maybe we can get a third point of appraisal. May I suggest mediocre. (This is a bit. From all the things Samtemdos has said, I'm guessing that they would have appraised MoS as mediocre. You are try to dismiss someone's opinion by dismissing their opinion. MoS being a bad movie is an opinion - a popular one granted. You started this with a YouTube linl provided as evidence of how right you were. As if its the only possible conclusion you can draw from the situation.)

Also, insulting anyone's opinion will not get you anywhere.

So nothing can exist in between? I can just think Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Suicide Squad are at just meh? Not the worse thing I have ever seen?

I am just here for the action scenes of the DC movies, if I want to see the proper portrayal and stories of these Superheroes I will just stick to Comic Books themselves and Animation which are superior to any Live Action movie. I never liked Live Action for Superheroes that much compared to Animation.

I hope the action in Justice League will be awesome.

I was doing a bit. A gag. A goof. Even having a third option between good and bad, like mediocre, wouldn't cover how everyone felt about it. Most reviewers would start with 5 stars but then would have .5 as well. A 10 point scale is probably a minimum for a large group of people. Some people on this thread were assuming that if you don't hate MoS, then you must love it.

I was critiquing how hyperbolic people on this thread were being.

Actually not always. Depends on attitude and how you would say the positives while also be fair and acknowledge the negatives.