The Remake Boom

[sXeth]

Ooh, we're doing lists? Okay.

Let's see

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Assassins Credd

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: Black Flag

Baldur's Gate

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: #2

Bioshock
First Game: #1
Favourite Game: #1

Command & Conquer

First Game: The OG
Favourite Game: REd Alert 2 or Tiberium Wars

DESTINY

First Game: 1
Favourite Game: 1.5 or whatever you want to call it when it was effectively re-released as Taken King. Although tbf, it still took like a year to be patched up past that)

DISHONORED

First Game: 1
Favourite Game: 2

DOOM

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: I'm leaning towards 2016 honestly. Though 2 would be a tossup.

ELDER SCROLLS

First Game: I think I actually played Arena, but we'll go with Morrowind as actually remembered
Favourite Game: Oblivion


FALLOUT

First Game: 1
Favourite Game: Inconclusive (I'd characterize every game in the series as flawed somehow), but defintiley not 1

FAR CRY

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: 4

FINAL FANTASY

First Game: 1
Favourite Game: 6

F-Zero

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: Fzero X


Heroes of Might and Magic

First Game: #1
Favourite Game: 3 or 5



THE LEGEND OF ZELDA

First Game: Zelda 2
Favourite Game: Link to the Past


MIGHT & MAGIC

First Game: 3
Favourite Game: 7


MONSTER HUNTER

First Game: The Wii one (Tri?)
Favourite Game: Monster Hunter World

STAR FOX

First Game: Star Fox
Favourite Game: Star Fox 64

SUPER MARIO

First Game: Super Mario Brothers
Favourite Game: Super Mario World

Ultima

First Game: 1
Favourite Game: 6/7

WARCRAFT

First Game: Warcraft 1
Favourite Game: Warcraft 2

 

[Yoshi178]

-Mario Sunshine > Mario 64 > Mario Galaxy 2> Odyssey> 3D World >>>>> Mario Galaxy

Okay, so, the last main Mario game I played was Sunshine, but out of curiosity, why is Galaxy 2 so much higher than Galaxy 1?

Galaxy 2 wasn't piss easy like 1 was and actually has fun levels. especially the Yoshi ones. :3

 

[Chimpzy_v1legacy]

I mean, would FF7 remake be as anticipated if it had a way more cartoony artstyle

Speak for yourself, I stan super hard for Ultra Detailed Popeye Strife HD.

 

[CaitSeith]

I said you need to LEAVE the AAA landscape for good games.

To be fair, you said "You gotta leave to the AAA landscape to find good games", which means the opposite.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Just think about it; the quality of the combat is usually poor

Again, in my experience, not really.

It's usually incorrect to say I play RPGs FOR the combat, but combat in RPGs can still be fun. Actually, most of the time, it IS fun. Heck, there's RPG sub-genres that are arguably based mainly ON combat (e.g. ARPGs and SRPGs).

Most RPGs have pretty poor combat, especially the ones with action combat, the only ones I can think of that had good action combat was Dragon's Dogma and Kingdoms of Amalur. Traditional JRPGs have really poor turn-based combat. You have to go in the subgenres of RPGs to find good combat usually. I played the Outer Worlds recently and the shooting was at best average. Bethesda hasn't made an RPG with good combat yet either.

You're first of [insert game series] is probably your favorite because it was fresh when you played it.

-Mario Sunshine > Mario 64 > Mario Galaxy 2> Odyssey> 3D World >>>>> Mario Galaxy
-Metroid Prime 2 > Metroid Prime 1 >>>> 3

those are just 2 examples where a sequel was better than both the older game in the franchise AND also better than the newer games. so no your statement isn't true.

It is a general saying, Hawki is at 33% for example. Your first Souls game is probably your favorite because you can't recreate that 1st experience even if another game is indeed better.

 

[Yoshi178]

You're first of [insert game series] is probably your favorite because it was fresh when you played it.

-Mario Sunshine > Mario 64 > Mario Galaxy 2> Odyssey> 3D World >>>>> Mario Galaxy
-Metroid Prime 2 > Metroid Prime 1 >>>> 3

those are just 2 examples where a sequel was better than both the older game in the franchise AND also better than the newer games. so no your statement isn't true.

It is a general saying, Hawki is at 33% for example. Your first Souls game is probably your favorite because you can't recreate that 1st experience even if another game is indeed better.

i played Mario 64 and Metroid Prime 1 before i played Sunshine and Prime 2 and i still thought those sequels were better than my "first" experience's.

 

[Hawki]

Since we're on the subject of remakes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iMfypQj3k0&feature=emb_logo

...what kind of bizzaro universe did I stumble into when EA puts more passion into a remaster than Blizzard?

Most RPGs have pretty poor combat, especially the ones with action combat, the only ones I can think of that had good action combat was Dragon's Dogma and Kingdoms of Amalur. Traditional JRPGs have really poor turn-based combat.

Excluding ARPGs and SRPGs, I can nominate plenty of RPGS with fun combat. I've nothing against turn-based combat, and there's plenty of games where it adds a lot of strategy to the game - who to use, what abilities to pair up, etc.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

You're first of [insert game series] is probably your favorite because it was fresh when you played it.

-Mario Sunshine > Mario 64 > Mario Galaxy 2> Odyssey> 3D World >>>>> Mario Galaxy
-Metroid Prime 2 > Metroid Prime 1 >>>> 3

those are just 2 examples where a sequel was better than both the older game in the franchise AND also better than the newer games. so no your statement isn't true.

It is a general saying, Hawki is at 33% for example. Your first Souls game is probably your favorite because you can't recreate that 1st experience even if another game is indeed better.

i played Mario 64 and Metroid Prime 1 before i played Sunshine and Prime 2 and i still thought those sequels were better than my "first" experience's.

What don't you get about general sayings?

"Your first Final Fantasy game is usually your favorite."

This is a very popular opinion that gets thrown around a lot. Is it true for you?

Most RPGs have pretty poor combat, especially the ones with action combat, the only ones I can think of that had good action combat was Dragon's Dogma and Kingdoms of Amalur. Traditional JRPGs have really poor turn-based combat.

Excluding ARPGs and SRPGs, I can nominate plenty of RPGS with fun combat. I've nothing against turn-based combat, and there's plenty of games where it adds a lot of strategy to the game - who to use, what abilities to pair up, etc.

I have nothing against turn-based combat either, I played a 12-hour Axis and Allies game last Saturday. I don't like bad turn-based combat and traditional JRPGs usually have that. When it's enemies and allies standing across from each other trading blows, you lose much of the strategy because you've completely removed positioning from the combat.

 

[Hawki]

What don't you get about general sayings?

"Your first Final Fantasy game is usually your favorite."

This is a very popular opinion that gets thrown around a lot. Is it true for you?

Maybe one day I'll play a second Final Fantasy game and find out. Alas...

 

[dscross]

There are some great new games as well now, to be honest. I actually think the game market is pretty great and varied at the moment.

Kingdom Come Deliverance, The Witcher 3 and Persona 5 might be some of the best RPGs I've ever played. I got much more out of them than I ever did with any Final Fantasy game because I can say that with no nostalgia attached.

Metroidvania is alive and kicking, with the likes of Bloodstained, Hollow Knight etc. I was so addicted to those.

We've also had some of the best story-driven decision games we've had so far - Detriot Become Human and Until Dawn

Also some amazing action games have come this gen - Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn, God Of War, Red Dead Redemption 2. I'm sure the sequel to the Last of Us will be amazing as well.

Not that I'm complaining about remakes - I was very happy with the Resident Evil 2 remake and ran that game into the ground by getting S+'s on all campaigns - although I still feel like the original has the edge for me. I suppose Sonic Mania was practically a remake as well and I loved that - probably nostalgia talking though. The Lucasarts adventure games that were remastered for the PS4 I was a big fan of too.

Not as excited for the FF7 Remake after playing the demo tbh as the gameplay didn't sit that well with me.

I think you are most excited about remakes because you know the brand and you know you liked the originals and have precious memories of them....whereas you don't know what to expect with new games. They are untested and unknown. Simple as that really.

 

[sXeth]

What don't you get about general sayings?

"Your first Final Fantasy game is usually your favorite."

This is a very popular opinion that gets thrown around a lot. Is it true for you?

Just looking at the top replies, that thread doesn't seem to be doing much better on the hypothesis then this one.


As strictly FF goes:

I Played: 1 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 5 > 2 (DNF) > X > 8 > 12 (DNF) > 3 (DNF) > 9 > 13 (DNF) > 14 (and some off main series ones)
Ranking them, I'd go : 6 (3rd) > 9 (11th) > 4 (2nd) > 5 (5th) > X (7th) > 1(1st) > 8 (8th) > 7(4th) > 12 (9th) > 2 (6th) > 13 (12th)

Dropping off #3 which I barely played at the time (it was brief loan from someone else on DS), and 14 which is just sabotaged by godawul controls on the PS4, but might be a perfectly decent (for an MMO) game on the PC.




Coming back to the original thread point, I don't know that we're particularly deluged with Remakes.

Capcoms spitting out REs, sure. And FF7's a thing.... and? Nintendo's chucked out Links Awakening, thats about it.


We are somewhat deluged in Remasters/Forward ports, but thats been a thing for this entire console generation (potentially somewhat due to the dominant players being PS4 (couldn't back play PS3 games if it wanted to cause of the weird tech) and Switch (Nintendo finally catching up to a relative power curve)

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Those are called remakes but they're more like modern reimaginings/reinterpritations. They tell the same story in a rough sense and have the same people mostly but they're using modern technology and conventions through and through. I never cared for RE but I'm going into FFVII with absolutely no preconceptions or expectations and I'm also in a media blackout so I will be super blind. About the only thing I know is that Tifa has zettai ryouiki now, and I approve lol.

 

[stroopwafel]

Kinda stupid take of Sterling tbh. I don't think remakes are popular b/c of loot boxes or b/c modern games are 'live service' garbage but more b/c there are only so many ideas that are original before they get recycled. Hence why we will never see better sci-fi or space horror than The Terminator and the original Alien. FF7 and RE2 in particular are espescially iconic in videogames. Having those games re-envisioned in modern technology more than two decades later necessitates a similair artistic and technical skill as the developers of the original game. Changing the game while keeping the original 'feel' intact is an achievement of monumental proportions that RE2 Remake somehow managed to pull of.

Sure, nostalgia and aging gamers longing for their worry free childhood might play some part but I also wonder how many of the people who played the original RE2 on release actually played RE2 Remake and how much of the audience were younger generations. I have massive nostalgia for RE2 but playing remake this was quickly taken over by how mesmerizing the game is in it's own right. Nostalgia usually means being disappointed by the stuff you revisit but RE2 Remake does the opposite.

 

[dscross]

Sure, nostalgia and aging gamers longing for their worry free childhood might play some part but I also wonder how many of the people who played the original RE2 on release actually played RE2 Remake and how much of the audience were younger generations. I have massive nostalgia for RE2 but playing remake this was quickly taken over by how mesmerizing the game is in it's own right. Nostalgia usually means being disappointed by the stuff you revisit but RE2 Remake does the opposite.

By contrast though, the RE1 remake basically has replaced the original as the definitive version - that won't happen with RE2 as there are still lots of the things the OG did better and/or completely differently (even though, as you say, I really enjoyed RE2 remake for being its own thing, but staying true to the spirit of it)

 

[Hawki]

Coming back to the original thread point, I don't know that we're particularly deluged with Remakes.

Capcoms spitting out REs, sure. And FF7's a thing.... and? Nintendo's chucked out Links Awakening, thats about it.

Crash Bandicoot Trilogy, Crash Racing, Spyro Reignited Trilogy, Warcraft III: Reforged, Command & Conquer Remastered, etc.

Maybe that's not a deluge, but it's noticable, especially with Activision stating they're going to be focusing on remakes in the short-term.

 

[Squilookle]

there are only so many ideas that are original before they get recycled.

We reached that point where all stories are recycled thousands of years ago. All stories are a retelling of some concept or other from long ago. Some tell them better than others, and the fact remains that people are far more excited to see someone retell these 20 year old videogames again then they are with all the same old garbage the AAA industry keeps vomiting out.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

What don't you get about general sayings?

"Your first Final Fantasy game is usually your favorite."

This is a very popular opinion that gets thrown around a lot. Is it true for you?

Just looking at the top replies, that thread doesn't seem to be doing much better on the hypothesis then this one.

As strictly FF goes:

I Played: 1 > 4 > 6 > 7 > 5 > 2 (DNF) > X > 8 > 12 (DNF) > 3 (DNF) > 9 > 13 (DNF) > 14 (and some off main series ones)
Ranking them, I'd go : 6 (3rd) > 9 (11th) > 4 (2nd) > 5 (5th) > X (7th) > 1(1st) > 8 (8th) > 7(4th) > 12 (9th) > 2 (6th) > 13 (12th)

Dropping off #3 which I barely played at the time (it was brief loan from someone else on DS), and 14 which is just sabotaged by godawul controls on the PS4, but might be a perfectly decent (for an MMO) game on the PC.

Again, I'm just saying that it's a "saying" as showed by the TC of that reddit thread. I realize your 1st played in a series isn't your favorite a majority of the time. I do believe it holds true to a point. Like if you have 100 people that all played 10 different FF games, I'm guessing more than 10% everyone's favorite will be the 1st one they played (which would be above average). That's really all I was saying.

 

[Hawki]

Hence why we will never see better sci-fi or space horror than The Terminator and the original Alien.

Alien, maybe, but claiming that Terminator is the best sci-fi setting/movie of all time is a bit of a stretch. And I say that as someone who likes Terminator, even the post-T2 movies (bar T3).

 

[CritialGaming]

Hence why we will never see better sci-fi or space horror than The Terminator and the original Alien.

Alien, maybe, but claiming that Terminator is the best sci-fi setting/movie of all time is a bit of a stretch. And I say that as someone who likes Terminator, even the post-T2 movies (bar T3).

Were there any notable time travel movies with cyborgs before 1984? The first Terminator had its flaws for sure, but I?m pretty sure those were pretty big ideas back then, and the story was told very convincingly with an appropriately gritty and dark tone, along with having a pretty modest budget.

 

[Hawki]

We?re there any notable time travel movies with cyborgs before 1984?

Dunno.

The first Terminator had its flaws for sure, but I?m pretty sure those were pretty big ideas back then, and the story was told very convincingly with an appropriately gritty and dark tone, along with having a pretty modest budget.

Yes, and?

Like I said, I like/love Terminator, I'm just dubious about calling it the best sci-fi property out there. Robot uprisings were old news by the time it was created - it was old news by the time of Isaac Asimov, which is why he set out to write a series that specifically wouldn't involve such a thing.