The Remake Boom

[Hawki]

Just remake Code Veronica, and I'll call it even.

Or...don't? CV certainly doesn't need a graphical upgrade, and we'd still have to deal with Steve. The best thing I could see coming from a CV remake is actually fighting Wesker rather than relegating it to a cutscene.

Also, there are going to be werewolves? Since when did Capcom start taking ideas from their non-canon, Wild Storm Comics spin-offs?

I'm guessing they're not literal werewolves, but BOW dogs that are either called that in-universe, or they're being called werewolves unofficially in development. I mean, we've had monster dogs before (the Cerberus, the Las Plagas variant), nothing to stop another type joining the roster.

just make 9 and have it go 3rd person and pick a new character.

I'm kind of at the point in RE where I feel Capcom is going to have to start making new characters, or bring back younger ones more (Sherry, Sheva, etc.) because their "big four" (Chris, Jill, Claire, Leon) aren't getting any younger.

 

[BrawlMan]

Just remake Code Veronica, and I'll call it even.

Or...don't? CV certainly doesn't need a graphical upgrade, and we'd still have to deal with Steve. The best thing I could see coming from a CV remake is actually fighting Wesker rather than relegating it to a cutscene.

Also, there are going to be werewolves? Since when did Capcom start taking ideas from their non-canon, Wild Storm Comics spin-offs?

I'm guessing they're not literal werewolves, but BOW dogs that are either called that in-universe, or they're being called werewolves unofficially in development. I mean, we've had monster dogs before (the Cerberus, the Las Plagas variant), nothing to stop another type joining the roster.

just make 9 and have it go 3rd person and pick a new character.

I'm kind of at the point in RE where I feel Capcom is going to have to start making new characters, or bring back younger ones more (Sherry, Sheva, etc.) because their "big four" (Chris, Jill, Claire, Leon) aren't getting any younger.

If they make Steve likeable and written more realistic by comparison, I am all for it. If the remake does not happen, no big deal. Although I don't mind if we did get a CV Remake. Because then the CV remake would complete the Umbrella sequel trilogy. 2, 3, & CV.


If literal werewolves start appearing due to some obvious, new weird virus (that strengthens the lycorthepancy), the series will have truly gone off rails, (of a different color) and the near point of no return.

.....Neat.


EDIT:

If Capcom goes full vampires, then we've gone pass jumping the shark to nuking the fridge.



They're bringing back zombies, so it will be fun to deal with those in that viewpoint, again.

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm not sure I like the idea of a remake craze. To me it symbolizes a complete lack of creativity. Why make a good new Resident Evil when you can just remake RE2 into a pretty decent okay one? I mean it feels like a quick-cash plan as if they're struggling to stay open. Make old games into generic 3rd person shooters, and get cash quick.
And where does it end? Is RE4 getting a remake? Its the game they're turning all RE games in to. It feels like this boom will rapidly come to an end. Maybe not anytime soon, but when it does remakes across the board will be postponed and cancelled.

Considering RE2 Remake was better than both RE7, RE6, and RE5, I think I prefer them remaking than making fresh ones for now.

That's...a very good point. I had not thought of it from that direction. I was thinking of it from 'they're not progressing the story with new ideas, but remaking old ones' instead of 'the remakes are better than any of the new ideas'.
Good point. I concede the debate. Do more remakes, but leave 4 allow. RE4 is...special. Its perfect as is.

 

[Hawki]

If they make Steve likeable and written more realistic by comparison, I am all for it.

Well, yeah, but then he's not Steve "Shut the Hell Up You Whiner" Burnside."

Okay, I'm being harsh, but seriously, is there anyone asking for Steve? Does Steve have fans? Maybe he does, but it's been over 20 years since C V, with Wesker teasing his possible return, and I've never seen anyone actually ask for it to happen.

Because then the CV remake would complete the Umbrella sequel trilogy. 2, 3, & CV.

I know there's no official stance on how the storyline is grouped, but I think that's stretching things. If we regard 2, 3, and CV as a trilogy, then 3 is clearly the odd one out because while 2 flows naturally to CV, 3 doesn't. In contrast, I'll stand by the use of "Raccoon Trilogy" to describe 1-3, because each one of those games flows naturally to the next (also why I think RE3 still deserves the "3" title rather than C V.

If Capcom goes full vampires, then we've gone pass jumping the shark to nuking the fridge.

I could actually see pseudo vampires working, believe it or not. Someone's been infected by a virus, has to feed on 'healthy' DNA to keep the infection at bay, etc.

...why yes I AM borrowing ideas from the movies, how could you tell?

Good point. I concede the debate. Do more remakes,

Or...don't.

Hear me out. RE1 Remake deserves its high regard, because in part, it completely updates RE1, which hasn't aged well at all. RE2, the original, has aged much better, which is why I was fine with its remake mixing things up. Some things the original does better, some things the remake does better. And as for RE3, while the best of the original trilogy IMO, I'm fine with it getting a remake to round out the trifecta.

After that though, is there a need to remake anything? Certainly not graphically. I'd say if they were going to remake a game, it would be Survivour (convert it to a more traditional experience), but that isn't going to happen. I've said that RE's story concluded naturally in RE5, which is part of the reason why I was disinterested in what came after, but remakes aren't going to sustain the franchise, especially when Zero and C: V arguably don't need them, but (in my experience) aren't as well regarded as the original games.

Or you could use that as justification for remaking them, I dunno.

 

[BrawlMan]

If they make Steve likeable and written more realistic by comparison, I am all for it.

Well, yeah, but then he's not Steve "Shut the Hell Up You Whiner" Burnside."

Okay, I'm being harsh, but seriously, is there anyone asking for Steve? Does Steve have fans? Maybe he does, but it's been over 20 years since C V, with Wesker teasing his possible return, and I've never seen anyone actually ask for it to happen.

Because then the CV remake would complete the Umbrella sequel trilogy. 2, 3, & CV.

I know there's no official stance on how the storyline is grouped, but I think that's stretching things. If we regard 2, 3, and CV as a trilogy, then 3 is clearly the odd one out because while 2 flows naturally to CV, 3 doesn't. In contrast, I'll stand by the use of "Raccoon Trilogy" to describe 1-3, because each one of those games flows naturally to the next (also why I think RE3 still deserves the "3" title rather than C V.

If Capcom goes full vampires, then we've gone pass jumping the shark to nuking the fridge.

I could actually see pseudo vampires working, believe it or not. Someone's been infected by a virus, has to feed on 'healthy' DNA to keep the infection at bay, etc.

...why yes I AM borrowing ideas from the movies, how could you tell?

Good point. I concede the debate. Do more remakes,

Or...don't.

Hear me out. RE1 Remake deserves its high regard, because in part, it completely updates RE1, which hasn't aged well at all. RE2, the original, has aged much better, which is why I was fine with its remake mixing things up. Some things the original does better, some things the remake does better. And as for RE3, while the best of the original trilogy IMO, I'm fine with it getting a remake to round out the trifecta.

After that though, is there a need to remake anything? Certainly not graphically. I'd say if they were going to remake a game, it would be Survivour (convert it to a more traditional experience), but that isn't going to happen. I've said that RE's story concluded naturally in RE5, which is part of the reason why I was disinterested in what came after, but remakes aren't going to sustain the franchise, especially when Zero and C: V arguably don't need them, but (in my experience) aren't as well regarded as the original games.

Or you could use that as justification for remaking them, I dunno.

Oh no, I don't want Steve to comeback to life. He's still gonna die, but I would actually weep for him, if they pulled it off.

As for the trilogy comment, that's just my own little thing. Nothing more. Plus, it works either way, because Umbrella is involved in all 4 games. In fact, let's call it, The Umbrella Tetralogy and be done with it. 0 I can deal without entirely, and I consider it non-canon despite whatever Capcom says. The same attitude goes for the Revelations sub-series. I acknowledge Revelations 2 as long as you ingnore that bit in the good ending where some form of Alex Wesker still exists in the girl. Another convoluted plot point/sequel hook never to be brought up again like in Revelations 1, and RE6.

As for taking ideas from the RE movies....


Though that one actually has some actual logic sense and thought put in to the idea.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Jim Sterling dropped an interesting video this morning about Remakes and why they are not only so popular lately, but how they also seem to be overshadowing much of the "new" game releases that the AAA game's industry is pumping out like viscus pus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZcHLliNjI4&t=0s

It got me thinking that maybe he is right. As you all are aware by now, I am unhealthily excited for the FF7 Remake. A big part of that is my decades long love for the game, but after watching Jim's video i looked through the rest of 2020's releases. Sure there are games I am interested in and games I want to play, but none of them are of a level of interest as even RE2 was last year let alone FF7.

Maybe I am excited for FF7 and RE3, more because the majority of game releases don't scratch those same itches that games used to scratch anymore. I mean, after playing the Demo, The remake is NOT the FF7 I know and love, but I can be sure that the game will hit that JRPG itch that not many other games can scratch.

So my question to ya'll is this.

Are you excited for one of these remakes? If so are you more excited for a remake over a brand new game or sequel? Why?

If it's even a tenth as good as the previews have made it out to be the FF7 remake will be one of the very very few video games that I buy full price for the only reason anyone should ever buy anything full price. I want to encourage the rest of FF7 to get remade and Square-Enix to make more games like it. RE3 might do as well, but I'm not anywhere near as enthusiastic about it as I am about FF7.

On the topic of remakes, it's happening a lot these days because you've already got a fully made game to base everything off of so a large chunk of the development time is taken care of and then there's a fanbase ready to eat up the game the moment it comes out. It's a simple way to avoid risk and satisfy the fans at the same time. Especially when whatever entries in the series that have come before are significantly behind the times graphically and mechanically compared to now, such as the original FF7. It's also a nice way to spark interest and rekindle the fans in a series that hasn't had any entries in particular good entries that one intends to create new entries for.

What a good remake needs is this: It needs to contain all the content the original did with minimal changes (like a retranslation) to cause nostalgia, but it also needs to add new content to benefit new players that have no attachment and give old players reason to not just replay the original version again. The FF7 remake appears at this time to have an abundance of both, particularly the latter.

 

[Hawki]

0 I can deal without entirely, and I consider it non-canon despite whatever Capcom says. The same attitude goes for the Revelations sub-series.

Why do you regard them as non-canon?

 

[Trunkage]

Did we go through almost 2 pages and not recognise Xcom as one of the best remakes? Because I'm doing that now

 

[Casual Shinji]

Considering RE2 Remake was better than both RE7, RE6, and RE5, I think I prefer them remaking than making fresh ones for now.

That's...a very good point. I had not thought of it from that direction. I was thinking of it from 'they're not progressing the story with new ideas, but remaking old ones' instead of 'the remakes are better than any of the new ideas'.
Good point. I concede the debate. Do more remakes, but leave 4 allow. RE4 is...special. Its perfect as is.

The most they should do with RE4 is allow BluePoint to give it the Shadow of the Colossus treatment. Tweek the controls just a tad to give Leon a strafe and maybe a quick-select, and finally fix the dam score mix, the HD versions really dicked that up.

 

[Yoshi178]

Nintendo's chucked out Links Awakening, thats about it.

Technically Metroid: Samus Returns in 2017 was another remake that Nintendo threw us

 

[BrawlMan]

0 I can deal without entirely, and I consider it non-canon despite whatever Capcom says. The same attitude goes for the Revelations sub-series.

Why do you regard them as non-canon?

I more or less stated my reasons for Revelations 2 (as long as you ignore the bad ending, or the implied part where some form of Alex survives in Natalia in the good ending), so I am not gonna repeat the entire thing again. Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward. And if Capcom does not nor care, why should I? Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6. Constant betrayals left and right, two of the traitors are karma houdinis. Not to mention they caused a lot of damage to the eco system with the T-Abyss virus. Raymond and Jessica, more so the former. claims to want to end bio terrorism, but causes so much unnecessary problem and destruction. Especially with the whole Double Reverse Quadruple Agent thing we've seen with Ada Wong. It's annoying and tiring. Both Revelation games are fine gameplay wise, though Rev2 feels like a low-grade Evil Within in terms of themes and enemy design. And Saw with zombies. The fact that Capcom is only distanting themselves further away with RE7 & whatever 8 becomes further proves my point.

RE0 I just plain hate. From the gameplay (no items boxes and the zapping sucks), the story, and feels bloated and unnecessary. It suffers the problem most prequels have. I like Rebecca, and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point. Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta. And she works better there than 0. Marcus is interesting, but the whole opera leech queen thing I found too over-the-top even by classic RE standards. I can still acknowledge Wesker and Birkin killed him under Spencer's orders, I'm just ignore the rest of the bullshit.

 

[dscross]

Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6.

You know I finally played RE6 to completion the other week. It's not as convoluted as I remember. All the stories tie together quite neatly at the end if you bother to complete it. I suspect most people haven't finished it owing to how dull Chris's campaign was. I was surprised that I actually ended up enjoying large parts of it. Ada's campaign is great. I much preferred it to her DLC in RE4.

 

[BrawlMan]

Not to mention is the most convoluted games outside of RE6.

You know I finally played RE6 to completion the other week. It's not as convoluted as I remember. All the stories tie together quite neatly at the end if you bother to complete it. I suspect most people haven't finished it owing to how dull Chris's campaign was. I was surprised that I actually ended up enjoying large parts of it. Ada's campaign is great. I much preferred it to her DLC in RE4.

I know it's not as bad as some people exaggerate, but Neo-Umbrella and Jake Wesker makes it convoluted for me. The ending of Leon's campaign implies even with Simmons death, it's not the end of them. Jake's secret ending implies that he was going to be the new leading man. We still know nothing about Ada, or the organization she works for. The C-virus has no consistent logic on mutations unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas. The C Virus is a fuck you, I can do anything virus. The only consistent part of the C-Virus is that breathing it gas form turns you in to a zombie. While injections will do anything and turn you in to something. Not to mention all of the plot points or characters I just mentioned are never followed up on at all and are completely dropped in RE7. Meaning either one, some, or all of the heroes crushed the conspiracy, or we got one of the biggest retcons in video game history. Because Blue Umbrella ain't Neo-Umbrella. Speaking of Blue Umbrella, they're retcon too, because when they formed according to lore, it was around the time between RE 4 &5. You would think characters like Chris, Leon, or Ada would know about them. It's the trope called: Remember The New Guy. They were there the entire time even though, that thing, person, organization never existed until the new installment. In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

 

[Hawki]

Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward.

Such as?

I haven't played either, but my understanding is that Rev 1 is a kind of prequel to RE5 in that it shows the formation (or early years) of the BSAA. And Rev 2 introduced Alex Wesker (mentions in RE5 aside), who's a mastermind in Resistance, so I don't think Capcom has forgotten about her.

and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point.

Or they've just decided to do nothing with him, or forgotten about him?

I can understand why people want Billy back, but he isn't really that important a character. Honestly, if we're looking at side characters in the main series, I think Sheva and Carlos are more interesting, the latter of which actually IS owed an explanation as to what happened to him post-RE3.

Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta.

That's true.

It's so weird, it's established what happens to Jill, Chris, and Barry almost immediately after RE1, but if you look at files in RE2/3, I think Rebecca only gets a single mention.

unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas.

Hey, don't forget the T-G virus. That worked consistently...the one time it was used...to questionable visual results...

In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

And there's also Red Umbrella, or the Umbrella Corps, or whatever the heck it's called. And in case you're thinking of playing Umbrella Corps to find out, DON'T!

I like the idea of Blue Umbrella too. I mean, Umbrella had to employ people who didn't know anything about its BOW research, since it still sold pharmacuticals and presumably made a profit from them, so imagine waking up one day to learn that the company you work for has actually done shady shit on the side. Make a joke about the real world if you want, but I think there's a lot you could get from the redemption angle Blue Umbrella seems to be using.

 

[BrawlMan]

Revelations 1 (Rev 2 as well) had a bunch of plot threads or sequel hooks that Capcom set up that are never reference or mentioned afterward.

Such as?

I haven't played either, but my understanding is that Rev 1 is a kind of prequel to RE5 in that it shows the formation (or early years) of the BSAA. And Rev 2 introduced Alex Wesker (mentions in RE5 aside), who's a mastermind in Resistance, so I don't think Capcom has forgotten about her.

I literally spelled it out on a chalkboard for you, so I don't know what else to say as I am not writing an essay worth of a post right now. Just check the tropes or wiki page for Revelations 1. You'll figure the rest out yuorself.

and Billy is cool and all, but that fact Capcom does not what to do with him or can't decide what happens to him post 0 kinda proves my point.

Or they've just decided to do nothing with him, or forgotten about him?

I can understand why people want Billy back, but he isn't really that important a character. Honestly, if we're looking at side characters in the main series, I think Sheva and Carlos are more interesting, the latter of which actually IS owed an explanation as to what happened to him post-RE3.

Hell, Capcom did not know what to do with Rebecca until the CG movie Vendetta.

That's true.

It's so weird, it's established what happens to Jill, Chris, and Barry almost immediately after RE1, but if you look at files in RE2/3, I think Rebecca only gets a single mention.

unlike the T, G, Veronica, Abyss, or even the Las Plagas.

Hey, don't forget the T-G virus. That worked consistently...the one time it was used...to questionable visual results...

In Blue Umbrella's case, I am not complaining, and I find it better than NeoUmb.

And there's also Red Umbrella, or the Umbrella Corps, or whatever the heck it's called. And in case you're thinking of playing Umbrella Corps to find out, DON'T!

I like the idea of Blue Umbrella too. I mean, Umbrella had to employ people who didn't know anything about its BOW research, since it still sold pharmaceuticals and presumably made a profit from them, so imagine waking up one day to learn that the company you work for has actually done shady shit on the side. Make a joke about the real world if you want, but I think there's a lot you could get from the redemption angle Blue Umbrella seems to be using.

What you said about Billy is more or less prove my point, and we're saying the same thing. And Yes, Sheva and Carlos are more interesting than Billy. Project Resistance is non-canon anyway, so Alex return does not mean much. Even it was, her fate will stay the same, unless Capcom either bothers to follow up on it, or ignore the implication in the good ending of her survival in Natalia.

All of the viruses were still more consistent compared to the C-Virus. Especially the G-Virus. No, the non-canon Wildstorm comics don't count either. G-Virus was represented accurately in the first CG RE film. The C-Virus is the equivalent of that teenage wannabe prostitute yelling to the crowd on Maury "Whatever! Whatever! I do what I want!".

And Umbrella Corps is non-canon as far as I'm concerned.