I don't know why, but HAL's death in 2001 always makes me sad. One of the reason's it's a great scene, though.
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I honestly can't watch it, it makes me too sad. It's funny how bad the sequels were though, that kind of counter balances things a bit in my opinion. I cannot think of anything at the moment that relates to the title. I can name plenty of scenes in books, not so much from movies. I've seen sad ones, I just can't remember any of them, aside from those which have already been posted.Casual Shinji said:These always get me going...
Ah hell, the whole of The Land Before Time is a one continuous sad scene.
I see your toy story and raise you the first Toy StoryDense_Electric said:Um, bro:
I'm going to go ahead and play devil's advocate here and say that I've never given enough of a damn about any of the characters in that movie to have any emotional reaction to the things that happened to them. Maybe if at least one or two of them had something that vaguely resembled a personality, I'd be compelled to care that they were sad about stuff, but since we were pretty much dealing with nothing but one-dimensional stock characters pulled out of Disney's magic vault, all I could really appreciate was the quality of the animation and the music.spartan231490 said:I win.
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There is something extremely eary about how HAL's cold logical reasoning quickly changes to pleading for his life when he realizes he's about to die.saintdane05 said:I don't know why, but HAL's death in 2001 always makes me sad. One of the reason's it's a great scene, though.
The movie isn't just about two kids suffering, though it is hard to see anything else the way it's presented. It's also about Saeda having the responsibility to take care of his sister, and failing because he makes mistakes. I only saw the movie once like 8 years ago or something - I never wanted to see it again - but Saeda could've easily returned to their bitchy aunt. Seada chose for his sister to leave that place out of a sense of pride, and his sister ultimately suffers the consequences. And later so does he.Soviet Heavy said:I've found Grave of the Fireflies depressing, but more I find it bitter and manipulative. It's less about the characters themselves, and more about the fact that we are watching children suffer. That is enough to be upsetting, sure, but I would have liked it if the film had put some more focus into making Saeda and his sister stronger characters than trying to make them believable as children.
If the film had it both ways, then I would have felt a lot more strongly for their plight. But watching them get shoved through a meat grinder like that without reason to root for them beyond feeling sad for their predicament just got tedious after a while. I had no reason to want them to survive, because the film sure as hell wasn't making me root for them.
There was nothing beyond them suffering to compel me to care.
But that right there is why I don't have any sympathy for him. It takes getting his sister killed to show that Saeda was wrong. But what does he do? Return to his aunt and admit his shortcomings? Sit down and think about what he's done and how he can live with himself?Casual Shinji said:There is something extremely eary about how HAL's cold logical reasoning quickly changes to pleading for his life when he realizes he's about to die.saintdane05 said:I don't know why, but HAL's death in 2001 always makes me sad. One of the reason's it's a great scene, though.The movie isn't just about two kids suffering, though it is hard to see anything else the way it's presented. It's also about Saeda having the responsibility to take care of his sister, and failing because he makes mistakes. I only saw the movie once like 8 years ago or something - I never wanted to see it again - but Saeda could've easily returned to their bitchy aunt. Seada chose for his sister to leave that place out of a sense of pride, and his sister ultimately suffers the consequences. And later so does he.Soviet Heavy said:I've found Grave of the Fireflies depressing, but more I find it bitter and manipulative. It's less about the characters themselves, and more about the fact that we are watching children suffer. That is enough to be upsetting, sure, but I would have liked it if the film had put some more focus into making Saeda and his sister stronger characters than trying to make them believable as children.
If the film had it both ways, then I would have felt a lot more strongly for their plight. But watching them get shoved through a meat grinder like that without reason to root for them beyond feeling sad for their predicament just got tedious after a while. I had no reason to want them to survive, because the film sure as hell wasn't making me root for them.
There was nothing beyond them suffering to compel me to care.
I see you saw Bennet's review of this movie, but I doubt this movie was made for the sole purpose of making teens feel bad about themselves, and guilt tripping them. Sure it'll refelect the times it was made in and try to use that to it's advantage, but what movie doesn't. My Neighbor Totoro was apparently made because Miyazaki was getting tired of the ultra-violent cyberpunk genre wich dominated 80's anime. So he decided to make the sweetest most lovable movie imaginable.Soviet Heavy said:But that right there is why I don't have any sympathy for him. It takes getting his sister killed to show that Saeda was wrong. But what does he do? Return to his aunt and admit his shortcomings? Sit down and think about what he's done and how he can live with himself?
No. He learns nothing. He doesn't have to live with the guilt because he was too stupid to realize what he did was wrong, and in the end any guilt he has dies with him, alone and unwanted.
That just seems mean spirited, and given the context when the film was released, (apparently the youth crime rate was skyrocketing in 1980s Japan), it just seems like an extremely dickish way to guilt trip youth into respecting authority. Saeda learns nothing from his sister's death, and just wanders on for the rest of the film before starving, without any introspection or anything. He doesn't swallow his pride. We barely see anything more of his inner self, since he just lost the one person who acted as a cypher for the audience, letting us experience what Saeda is really like.
I saw the first Barefoot Gen film, notably the bomb detonation itself. Yikes.Casual Shinji said:I see you saw Bennet's review of this movie, but I doubt this movie was made for the sole purpose of making teens feel bad about themselves, and guilt tripping them. Sure it'll refelect the times it was made in and try to use that to it's advantage, but what movie doesn't. My Neighbor Totoro was apparently made because Miyazaki was getting tired of the ultra-violent cyberpunk genre wich dominated 80's anime. So he decided to make the sweetest most lovable movie imaginable.Soviet Heavy said:But that right there is why I don't have any sympathy for him. It takes getting his sister killed to show that Saeda was wrong. But what does he do? Return to his aunt and admit his shortcomings? Sit down and think about what he's done and how he can live with himself?
No. He learns nothing. He doesn't have to live with the guilt because he was too stupid to realize what he did was wrong, and in the end any guilt he has dies with him, alone and unwanted.
That just seems mean spirited, and given the context when the film was released, (apparently the youth crime rate was skyrocketing in 1980s Japan), it just seems like an extremely dickish way to guilt trip youth into respecting authority. Saeda learns nothing from his sister's death, and just wanders on for the rest of the film before starving, without any introspection or anything. He doesn't swallow his pride. We barely see anything more of his inner self, since he just lost the one person who acted as a cypher for the audience, letting us experience what Saeda is really like.
And the thing is that Japan has a love of the uber sad anime movie. I don't know if you've ever seen any of the Dog of Flanders anime movie versions, but it has that same crushing sadness with not even a blip of anything positive happening.
If you want to see an anime war movie that is truly manipulative watch Barefoot Gen 2.
I found the first one actually quite good, or should I say, quite effective in its cutthroat-ness of the depiction of post-nuke Hiroshima.Soviet Heavy said:I saw the first Barefoot Gen film, notably the bomb detonation itself. Yikes.