The Thread where I air my grievances with the Assassins' Creed series SPOILERS EVERYWHERE

[Old_Hunter_77]

@NerfedFalcon, @Old_Hunter_77, @CriticalGaming, and @hanselcaretaker2,

It looks like Ubisoft will be sticking around a lot longer.

Ubisoft and Tencent are forming a new company that will take control of its most successful franchises: Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow Six

Tencent will be a minority shareholder in the new venture, which is expected to be completed by the end of 2025.

www.pcgamer.com

Will it? The only three IPs that still make them money are gonna stick around a lot longer, but they're specifically stripping them away from the Ubisoft name. If anything we might be looking at an Atari situation where it technically still exists as a corporate entity but it doesn't really exist in any way that means anything to us.

 

[BrawlMan]

Will it? The only three IPs that still make them money are gonna stick around a lot longer, but they're specifically stripping them away from the Ubisoft name. If anything we might be looking at an Atari situation where it technically still exists as a corporate entity but it doesn't really exist in any way that means anything to us.

Whatever happens happens, but Tencent is a minority shortholder. Not a majority shareholder.

 

[Satinavian]

Will it? The only three IPs that still make them money are gonna stick around a lot longer, but they're specifically stripping them away from the Ubisoft name. If anything we might be looking at an Atari situation where it technically still exists as a corporate entity but it doesn't really exist in any way that means anything to us.

Now, now, they have far more very important IPs. Particularly Heroes of Might and Magic, which will soon have a next installment. And they also have Prince of Persia and Rayman

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Hades]

Weird far right arguments about Oichi being Nobunaga's ''daughter'' aside I think her role in the game is kinda weird. Historically this was not a time where Oichi had a lot to do. Her time in historical records mostly come in two phases with one before the game's setting and one after it. First she married into a clan that would one day go to war with her brother. This often gets romanticized as some sort of Romeo and Juliet thing. Her second sting of activity comes after this game's setting where she opposes Hideyoshi's rise as Nobunaga's heir as the wife of another top Oda general, and Hideyoshi's main opponent for leadership.

Had Hideyoshi been a bigger focus, either as templar or Assasin ally Oichi would have more to do. But should Hideyoshi become more important DLC the game already seems to have wrapped up Oichi's story and thus she likely won't have much focus there.

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Though Hideyoshi killing Oichi definitely would be cause for a rift between him and her maybe lover Yasuke.

 

[BrawlMan]

Weird far right arguments about Oichi being Nobunaga's ''daughter'' aside

They clearly don't know Japanese History and it is going off of whatever cuff they think is the "right narrative". Fuck them. They'll forget and move on to some other shit within a week.

 

[Old_Hunter_77]

Reminds of the movie Braveheart. The whole affair with the princess was made up- IRL she was like 9 years old when William Wallace was leading his rebellion.
But it made for a hell of a movie!
(a bit of extra coincidence or irony or whatever that that movie was made and starred someone who would become a culture war right-wing avatar of sorts?)

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

@NerfedFalcon, @Old_Hunter_77, @CriticalGaming, and @hanselcaretaker2,

It looks like Ubisoft will be sticking around a lot longer.

Ubisoft and Tencent are forming a new company that will take control of its most successful franchises: Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, and Rainbow Six

Tencent will be a minority shareholder in the new venture, which is expected to be completed by the end of 2025.

www.pcgamer.com

Well we’ll see if that changes anything.

About Yahtzee I think he’s increasingly becoming a victim of his own shtick. What will be left for him to genuinely like?

 

[BrawlMan]

What will be left for him to genuinely like?

Indie games and AA games. We've seen this coming for a long time now.

MightyKeef on AC Shadows

Cory plays Shadows
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[BrawlMan]

Dunkey's Shadow
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[Old_Hunter_77]

Dunkey's Shadow
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I didn't see other reviews talk about bugs- it's getting praised for being the smoothest running AC game in a while (crediting the multiple release delays). Either way- yeah, that's why we wait a while to buy new games. I'd rather watch Dunkey make fun of bugs than play through them.

 

[Old_Hunter_77]

Dunkey's Shadow
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I didn't see other reviews talk about bugs- it's getting praised for being the smoothest running AC game in a while (crediting the multiple release delays). Either way- yeah, that's why we wait a while to buy new games. I'd rather watch Dunkey make fun of bugs than play through them.

 

[Hades]

So the game has been out for a while now. What's the stage of the grifter narrative?

Are we at the stage of ''It failed and the ONLY reason it failed is because its woke just as we ALWAYS predicted''

Or are we at the ''shit it didn't fail...uh....its NOT woke and Yasuke is the perfect minority representation JUST AS WE ALWAYS SAID!'' stage of the discussion.

 

[BrawlMan]

So the game has been out for a while now. What's the stage of the grifter narrative?

Are we at the stage of ''It failed and the ONLY reason it failed is because its woke just as we ALWAYS predicted''

Or are we at the ''shit it didn't fail...uh....its NOT woke and Yasuke is the perfect minority representation JUST AS WE ALWAYS SAID!'' stage of the discussion.

I personally don't care because it's gonna be the same thing, no matter what with these fools.

 

[Old_Hunter_77]

So the game has been out for a while now. What's the stage of the grifter narrative?

Are we at the stage of ''It failed and the ONLY reason it failed is because its woke just as we ALWAYS predicted''

Or are we at the ''shit it didn't fail...uh....its NOT woke and Yasuke is the perfect minority representation JUST AS WE ALWAYS SAID!'' stage of the discussion.

I don't know about grifters (though I can't imagine them saying anything is a "perfect minority representation."
The only thing I've seen- less from grifters than just your typical perpetually online gamer jabbers- is about if/how this game is or isn't supposed to "save" Ubisoft.

As usual with Ubisoft, they opened themselves up to this nonsense by projecting or demanding ever higher revenue projections for this game, which allowed the jabbers to keep asking if this game was intended to "save" the whole company (which is already stupid- one game isn't going to make or break one of the biggest companies in the business alone).

So once that impossible goal was set, that made it a failure, before launch day. And now with them spinning off a new subsidiary to manage the IP, anyone can say anything they want and be "right."

 

[Hades]

It aren't deal breakers but there are some historical accuracy problems with the locations. Osaka castle for instance seems to be the prominent landmark in Setsu despite at this point in history it wasn't build yet. It would be Hideyoshi's seat of power as a ruler and build with that goal in mind. I suppose some smaller construction might have been there, but Osaka castle gets depicted as the imposing castle we all know and love.

Same with Himeji. Very iconic castle that got recreated with great accuracy. Except this form of the castle didn't exist at this time either.

I get why they did it. Early to middle Sengoku era castles aren't nearly so iconic as Edo period ones despite those rarely ever seeing combat. Most players would likely feel a bit underwhelmed with more period accurate castle designs. Still with Osaka its a bit of a missed chance since the site was a big warrior monk fortress at the site originally.

 

[NerfedFalcon]

It aren't deal breakers but there are some historical accuracy problems with the locations.

Assassin's Creed is anachronistic and water is wet. Not to minimize your complaint, but it's not a new thing.

 

[Old_Hunter_77]

It aren't deal breakers but there are some historical accuracy problems with the locations. Osaka castle for instance seems to be the prominent landmark in Setsu despite at this point in history it wasn't build yet. It would be Hideyoshi's seat of power as a ruler and build with that goal in mind. I suppose some smaller construction might have been there, but Osaka castle gets depicted as the imposing castle we all know and love.

Same with Himeji. Very iconic castle that got recreated with great accuracy. Except this form of the castle didn't exist at this time either.

I get why they did it. Early to middle Sengoku era castles aren't nearly so iconic as Edo period ones despite those rarely ever seeing combat. Most players would likely feel a bit underwhelmed with more period accurate castle designs. Still with Osaka its a bit of a missed chance since the site was a big warrior monk fortress at the site originally.

Good to know though.

One of the perennial features of older AC games was you could pull up a description of every landmark and location and read about it. They would use the animus getup to make it like your character is reading something from the Abstergo database or you ally would tell you about it- something diagetic.

Black Flag in particular had landmarks like this and the description would tell you that they put it in there precisely to make it more interesting for players (that game was doing a whole meta you're a gamer playing a gamer thing).

I don't recall seeing anything like that in the recent games though (the DIscovery tours in Origins and Odyssey are not the same thing, those are separate from the game). Looks like Shadows is the perfect opportunity to bring something like that back in, I hope it is.

 

[Satinavian]

So the game has been out for a while now. What's the stage of the grifter narrative?

Well somewhat recently this came to my feed.

Now i do not know whether the person providing that is a grifter (the self description as "gamer with opinion" hints a bit at that) or not but as i don't follow any known grifter and avoid them so they don't show up in reccomendations, that is the best i can do to answer.

 

[Dreiko]

Well somewhat recently this came to my feed.

Now i do not know whether the person providing that is a grifter (the self description as "gamer with opinion" hints a bit at that) or not but as i don't follow any known grifter and avoid them so they don't show up in reccomendations, that is the best i can do to answer.

KCD2 is a very different game from AC. I've put 190 hours in it so far. It's a real rpg, and also highly historically accurate. It takes its emphasis on historicity and realism to the realm of a medieval sim. It stops just short of the sim elements being overly cumbersome to the dertiment of the enjoyment of the player, but only just.

The amazing thing about it is how much fun it manages to be while being so faithful to the lack of diversity in the era (early 1400s Bohemia). And it sure is faithful. Not one woman fights in wars/battles (there's an ally npc who shoots a couple guys with a crossbow once from atop a tower and then promptly has you save her once the enemy gets close to her), there's only a single black person in the entire game, and it's Musa of Mali, a historical figure (who is also really well written and one of the more interesting chars in the game), and while you "can" opt into being gay if you so choose (you don't have to like some people on twitter were saying, obviously, which is why I think anyone praising this game isn't a grifter cause the grifters all claim you have to be gay in KCD2), there's outright homophobia and hostility towards "sodomites" as they call them in the world that is historically accurate. And you are actually given dialogue options to alienate people because of this too. It's a chasm of difference from stuff like Veilguard and AC where you don't get evil/combative dialogue choices when the matter of gender identity rears it's purple head.