Our links actually ARE different, so there's that. At least this might get people talking a little.Loop Stricken said:
"The Truth" for Mass Effect 3
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I presume are referring to the female lead of Misery, and the fact she forced the author to rewrite his book. While yes, on a very general level, there is similarity. Once you look past that very general first glance, you'll notice some very key differences. The biggest difference is that it was a single crazed fan who demanded such a change. This is not one voice in a crowd, this is a majority of the fans. There is a saying that if you are the only voice in a crowd of people crying the opposite of you, then it may not be they who are in the wrong.Draech said:
While you are correct that some of the more 'extreme' protests of this are very much that, a little too extreme, the overlying theme is the same, people are unhappy with something, and they are expressing their discontent. And as a case in that direction, enough people were angered about the endings of that and the Sopranos that myself, someone who's not even watched a full episode of either, heard about it.
Firstly, the hatred for the Day One DLC is an entirely different kettle of fish, and I actually defended Bioware's stance on that, and still do. Secondly, the "big if" from my first post is expressing my skepticism of the legitimacy of the rumour.
I maintain my stance. Just as a bandaid does not stop the hurt from a skinned knee, neither would a DLC negate the fact the endings are terrible unless it is something that completely blows it out of the water. I have a policy that if I am stung once, I don't stick my hand back in the water without good reason and caution. So while I cannot speak for anyone else in this thread, I maintain that Bioware stung me once with that shit ending, so I am not going to raise my hopes at this unfounded, anonymous rumour that they 'might' be fixing the ending.
If this is true, it might be the single most (evil) brilliant thing I have ever heard. It will give me exactly what I want, and if its good, my stupid monkey brain will receive the gratification it wants and will forever associate that feeling with Bioware. Intellectually realizing this will do nothing to change it, and Bioware will subsequently have a hold on me and my money for all time. Damn you all...
Facile comparison. People need to stop comparing this to books, films and television. Those narratives always have a single fixed end point. Games are different. Not only are they a more fluid medium that can be constantly added to, modded, etc, but especially in the case of a game like Mass Effect there is no single "canonical" representation of events. Two different games of Mass Effect may contain hundreds upon hundreds of deviations from one another. Different people die, certain key events resolve in different ways, etc. Asking them to expand upon or allow for a different resolution in this medium is not even remotely on the same plane as asking Lieber and Abrams to re-write Lost.Draech said:
Bethesda completely changed the ending of Fallout 3. COMPLETELY. And no one batted an eye, and everyone preferred the new ending.
Wrong, the reason that Cerberus attacked the Flotilla was to capture Gillian Grayson (the adopted daughter of Paul Grayson) who is one of the most powerfull human biotics. Read Mass Effect: Ascension. Kahlee Sanders, Jon Grissom Academy and the Ascension Project are also part of it.Jitters Caffeine said:
OT: I think this is just rumor and I don't put a lot of faith in it. It would be great if true, but I don't see EA giving the OK to give anything away for free after release.
I'm not believing it until I see it with my own 2 eyes. But if this is true... FUCK YEAH!
Still kind of takes the piss that the real ending is in DLC though. Yes, it's good that it's free, but still the ending is an essential, if not the most essential, part of any narrative, so to not have it there on the disc from the beginning just seems, wrong...
However, I will forgive them if this is true, and the ending doesn't suck this time. I don't necessarily want a cliched happy ending, but I do want an ending that makes sense, and that doesn't make me feel like the price I paid to stop the Reapers was just as bad as letting the Reapers win.
It would also be nice to have some hope that my Shep and Liara can have all those little blue children someday. Again, not asking for them to ride off into the sunset, just some hope that you guys didn't make me love her so much for nothing. Because seriously, when that "to find someplace very far away" line came up I was like 'Ok, screw Cerberus, screw the Reapers! There someone else's problem now. Now I'm going to go elope with Liara if you don't mind.'
Still kind of takes the piss that the real ending is in DLC though. Yes, it's good that it's free, but still the ending is an essential, if not the most essential, part of any narrative, so to not have it there on the disc from the beginning just seems, wrong...
However, I will forgive them if this is true, and the ending doesn't suck this time. I don't necessarily want a cliched happy ending, but I do want an ending that makes sense, and that doesn't make me feel like the price I paid to stop the Reapers was just as bad as letting the Reapers win.
It would also be nice to have some hope that my Shep and Liara can have all those little blue children someday. Again, not asking for them to ride off into the sunset, just some hope that you guys didn't make me love her so much for nothing. Because seriously, when that "to find someplace very far away" line came up I was like 'Ok, screw Cerberus, screw the Reapers! There someone else's problem now. Now I'm going to go elope with Liara if you don't mind.'
They HAVE done it before. With Mass Effect 2. A whole 5 free DLC if you bought the game new.Thoric485 said:
So this will bring us:
Batarians, Protheans, and Geth as playable races
Asari Justicar and Krogan Battlemaster classes
Some DLC weapons will be found in Multiplayer Packs
At least one new map
2 new enemy types for Multiplayer
Fixed/Added on Ending(s)
And a side/main mission available during Single Player
All for free?
If this is all true, then I'll be one super happy Mass Effect Fan. Though I'll keep my expectations low (in truth however, I'm pretty excited right now, lol) in case they do decide to charge for it. Sure they have given us free stuff or very cheap stuff in the past, but when I look at what we're getting...I can't help but think there is going to be some catch. If they do charge it, please don't be expensive.
Of course, this is assuming that this is all true. While I can't rule it out, I'm just a bit wary. Sadly, something tells me I'm going to believe its true, simply for the chance of a better ending.
Basically, I'm hoping for a lot with this, but it is a blind hope; if fake I'll probably be even more saddened at ME3 than I already am.
Batarians, Protheans, and Geth as playable races
Asari Justicar and Krogan Battlemaster classes
Some DLC weapons will be found in Multiplayer Packs
At least one new map
2 new enemy types for Multiplayer
Fixed/Added on Ending(s)
And a side/main mission available during Single Player
All for free?
If this is all true, then I'll be one super happy Mass Effect Fan. Though I'll keep my expectations low (in truth however, I'm pretty excited right now, lol) in case they do decide to charge for it. Sure they have given us free stuff or very cheap stuff in the past, but when I look at what we're getting...I can't help but think there is going to be some catch. If they do charge it, please don't be expensive.
Of course, this is assuming that this is all true. While I can't rule it out, I'm just a bit wary. Sadly, something tells me I'm going to believe its true, simply for the chance of a better ending.
Basically, I'm hoping for a lot with this, but it is a blind hope; if fake I'll probably be even more saddened at ME3 than I already am.
Really, I would have settled for "Shepard dies setting off the Crucible, destroying the reapers AND ONLY THE REAPERS, saving the galaxy."
Normally, I wouldn't give a baseless rumor like this a second thought but first of all, I want this to be true.
Second, it does make a bit sense. After the leaked script, they rushed this ending (it really feels rushed) to have more time to make the real ending as DLC, Casey Hudson said to keep the save files (of course this could also just be for single player DLC which doesn't have anything to do with the ending) and some people from Bioware have been saying some cryptic things on twitter, things which could be interpreted as hints for this.
Of course, I don't believe it until I see a statement from Bioware about this but I won't immediately debunk it as a troll attempt.
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Second, it does make a bit sense. After the leaked script, they rushed this ending (it really feels rushed) to have more time to make the real ending as DLC, Casey Hudson said to keep the save files (of course this could also just be for single player DLC which doesn't have anything to do with the ending) and some people from Bioware have been saying some cryptic things on twitter, things which could be interpreted as hints for this.
Of course, I don't believe it until I see a statement from Bioware about this but I won't immediately debunk it as a troll attempt.
Edit:
That was mostly to prevent second hand sale. Now with Origin, they don't have to do that anymore.Jitters Caffeine said:
Firstly, this is a rumour to be treated with less than a pinch of salt.
That out the way, let's assume this is real: Even if they do release a "real" ending after the events that ended ME3, it would be incredibly hard to make an ending that satisfied all the haters. After all, we know the mass relays are destroyed, so they'd have to retcon that, and thye could never undo the bullshit they pulled with the repears being proto-humans who only capture to stop synthetics destroying all life, which in itself is bullshit logic, because clearly the reapers are synthetics who do not wipe out organic life, etc. etc.
That out the way, let's assume this is real: Even if they do release a "real" ending after the events that ended ME3, it would be incredibly hard to make an ending that satisfied all the haters. After all, we know the mass relays are destroyed, so they'd have to retcon that, and thye could never undo the bullshit they pulled with the repears being proto-humans who only capture to stop synthetics destroying all life, which in itself is bullshit logic, because clearly the reapers are synthetics who do not wipe out organic life, etc. etc.
Few things.Draech said:
1. Canon. Canon. Canon. Not Cannon.
2. Yes, this game had a narrative and a plot. A narrative and plot that was, to some degree, player selected and player driven. In fact, this was one of the primary if not THE primary pillar of game play, and featured heavily in all their advertising. There is no "canonical" Mass Effect storyline for Shepard, because everyone's Shepard experience is different.
3. Who is saying anything about control? It's changeable. The medium is different, and there is precedent for it being changed.
4. Hey sweet, a personal attack. Keep it up buddy, you're coming off as incredibly mature.
I'm calling bullshit on this, while I believe the multiplayer part for Bioware has confirmed multiplayer DLC, I'll believe it when I see it about the singleplayer stuff.