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BBboy20 said:
Thanks to Season 2, I was not emotionally effected by Lori's death at all (maybe I really am that much of a monster). I also didn't like how T-Dawg was taken out: at this point of time, I expect the group have the eyes at the back of their heads and even after getting bitten despite being capable of being able to quickly look behind him in an open area, he went down like a ***** instead of just punching the fucking shit out of those two walkers; he's already dead, may as well take as much out with whatever fingers he may have left.

Yes, I care MUCH more for the character that wasn't really pivotal over the one who was having a baby; talk about reversal of expectations.
You're not that bad- Lori got written into a corner, and the character suffered. She was never the action hero, she was supposed to be an emotional character that gave Rick something to fight for, while balancing his crazy do-goodery (and later do-badery). However, they delayed the fight between Rick and Shane for so long, building it up episode after episode with no climax in sight, that she just became a broken record. She might have done better this season, now that Rick is moving (emotionally) again, but c'est la vie.

T-Dog did fail at spotting the one that bit him, but fighting the two walkers was not going "down like a *****"; he tackled them and held them back from the door while they ripped into him to let Carol escape. If he had tried to punch them, he probably wouldn't have done it (he can't punch through a skull), and one might have slipped past him and got Carol. I'm just wondering why he and Carol didn't have a melee weapon between them; you'd think they would go everywhere armed, especially when handling Walkers.
 

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Ranorak said:
Slightly off topic, but this seemed like a good place to ask.

Never watched the show. I always thought it was just another crappy show with stock characters and stupid characters making stupid choices so they find themselves in trouble.
i.e. Lots of "spectacle" no substance.

some media I read seems to reinforce this, but my friend claims otherwise.
Is he just wrong, or is there some redeeming value in this series.

AKA, should I watch this?
Only way to decide is try it out. Season 2 isn't very good, but I've heard this is because AMC only gave the show the same budget they gave them for season 1... which was 6 episodes long. Season 2 was 12 or 13 or so. So they were really stretched thin money-wise, hence being on the farm with little action.

Season 3 has really turned it around.
The end and beginning of season 2 was pretty good. To me it just seems like they have stretched it out. From people who have read the comic they pretty much have said the same thing.
 

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There can only be one token black guy.j

On a more serious note, ya this was probably my favorite episode of the series so far. That flash back moment for Carl really hit home for me. Even though I didn't like Lori, seeing Carl come to the realization of what he must do made me shed a few tears. He's actually turning into one of my favorite characters.
 

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I always felt Rick's staunch adherence to his moral code was as much a hindrance to him as it was an aid. There were times when he could have compromised and probably, in the long run, made things better for himself and others. But he ended up alienating people and causing conflict in the name of sticking to his guns and trying to take the high road.

Had he been written as a true 'Mary Sue' (which is a term I've come to dislike, as it's so often thrown around as a placeholder for 'character I don't like'), he'd have his cake and get to eat it, too. He'd stay up on his high horse and everything would always work out right for him. That's definitely not the case, almost from the beginning.

All that being said, I'm very much enjoying season 3 (as much as one can enjoy grueling, zombie-filled misery) and I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought S2 really drug on. Knowing what I know now about the budget, it makes a lot more sense.
 

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Where did the fascination for a zombie apocalypse come from? There always have been movies, games and books about it, but recently they have sky-rocketed in number.

Personally, I think zombie apocalypses are overrated. Seen one, seen them all. The Walking Dead is no exception. It is just one slow moving (pun intended) cliche. Dropped it after 1 season.
 

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The show is still too close storywise to the comics, and as a reader of them I confess to becoming a little bored of the show.

I have the feeling that by the time they make the show its own entity, I would have stopped watching.
 

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Whoa whoa whoa
Lori dies?!?!?

...YAAAAAAAY! /o/

I'm excited to find out how! Damn the UK having to wait even longer. D:

I'm still reeling over
Meryl (Murl?) being alive. D: I don't like him. :<
 

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I liked Rick a lot more in the beginning, but it's great to see how much he (and the others) have developed as characters. Of course he changed, knowing his wife was fucking his best mate and then
Shane dying. I think there was an article on Cracked that pointed out Shane's death meant Rick had to fight his own bad side rather than having Shane there as a devil on his shoulder.

I think I had a single tear watching that episode, pretty powerful stuff. Fantastic acting from Andrew Lincoln.
Carl still irritates me a little as does Andrea :/ I want to see more about Michonne too.

I liked the way T-dog went out, saving someone else. He got better as a character whereas I think Carol hasn't really grown much on me at all :/
Lori sucks. Who the fuck has unprotected sex with two different guys in a zombie apocalypse? Getting pregnant makes everything 100 times worse!

Also, DON'T EAT SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE AT THE SAME TIME AS WATCHING!

Ohh 1927976th edit: OP, there wasn't loads of zombies in season 2 because the budget was seriously slashed so they couldn't afford to put as many zombies in which is why it took place on the farm. They had to work on developing the characters instead.
 

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I had just finish watching it and I starting to agreed with my mate with one of the problems I'm having with the show...

The walkers are ninja!!! Seriously how the hell can you not see them until they are within walking distances??? Surely we all know how far the sound of moanings travel and it is not within walking distance!!
This happend before like in the first episode Rick on the horse encounter a horde when he turn around the street and a few episodes ago in one of the cell block with they turn the corner.

Other than that it was an powerful episode.
I felt sad that T-Dog bit the dust and seeing what lefts on him near the end. I also can't help to think they had pretty much replace the black character with another character althought he seen more tougher (there can be only one!)

Sure I haven't liked Lori due to her two face personality in season 2 but her death scene with Carl was rather sad.
 

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One huge complaint I have about TWD is the zombies themselves. The actors do a crappy job of portraying people who died and came back to life. They move way too fast and loose (what about rigor mortis?) and they sound like felines hacking up hairballs. How is it nobody sees or hears them until a mob mysteriously appears behind the entire cast? But hey, they only show up for a full minute out of the hour the show airs. :I
 

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I still have no idea how you take a character like comic-Andrea and get a character like TV-Andrea. Sad to hear she hasn't improved much.
 

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Few things in my mind as I watched the episode..

I didn't like Lori. But I couldn't cheer at her final moment. It was pretty gripping.

They decide to develop T-bone's character a little bit before he was killed off. It was unexpected for me. But at least T-bone is a stupid name.

At least Glenn didn't die. Hope he never dies.
 

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GistoftheFist said:
One huge complaint I have about TWD is the zombies themselves. The actors do a crappy job of portraying people who died and came back to life. They move way too fast and loose (what about rigor mortis?) and they sound like felines hacking up hairballs. How is it nobody sees or hears them until a mob mysteriously appears behind the entire cast? But hey, they only show up for a full minute out of the hour the show airs. :I
I don't complain about the zombies acting, but it is really weird that no one notices them until is too late. They aren't stealthy creatures, yet a pack of them can approach someone from behind, and they just realize when is too late!

It happened more than once in the show.
 

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My main problem with the show is that almost everyone on the show has terrible survival instincts. I would expect people surviving a zombie apocalypse to be a lot more capable and a lot less willing to listen to a bunch of really dumb plans by their defacto leader.

And the governor is a complete idiot. He risked getting shot for a bunch of equipment that he could have pretty easily had anyways by saying 'hey I have an awesome settlement want to come hang?' If they are so defunct on supplies that they have to murder people to get new supplies, then they are pretty fucked in the long term anyways. And if he is just buying time to get agriculture set up, you know what would help with setting up that agriculture? Another dozen strong and capable males, with military and survival training who have spent large portions of their lives being indoctrinated into a system where they obey orders of people in leadership positions. There's plenty of ways the writers could have shown him to be something of an evil dictator hiding behind a facade of benevolence; ways that wouldn't involve also making him out to be a moron who thinks hes playing DayZ.

And please note, I'm not saying murdering other people is never part of a viable survival strategy in an apocalypse. Shane had perfectly good reasons for doing what he did to that EMT hunter guy. I'm just saying that none of those reasons apply to someone who has a secured settlement with over a hundred people. You can't sustain a settlement by murdering people for resources, eventually you are going to run out. You can however sustain a settlement by producing things for yourself, and production is easier the more people you have working.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
**SPOILERS FOR TONIGHT'S EPISODE YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED**

Has this show turned a corner or what?

Rick sucked, and was an intolerable Mary Sue. Rick is now sweaty and desperate and amoral and awesome.

Lori sucked. Lori is now dead. (Props to Andrew Lincoln for his acting at the end of the episode, very powerful)

T-Dog never got any lines and was a pointless ancillary character. T-Dog is now dead.

Carl was useless, irritating baggage. Carl is now hardcore.

Andrea was stupid and gullible. Andrea is...uh...well, 4 out of 5 ain't bad.

After S2 I was very, very close to writing this show off as an utter waste of time. I hated half the characters and barely cared about the ones I didn't hate. The pacing was abysmal, the budget was bare-bones, there were hardly any zombies. Every 4-5 episodes there would be a strong 10 minute span that would bring me back for another few weeks, but generally speaking I was chronically disappointed with the show. It was getting so I'd turn in just to see how it would let me down this week.

It's kind of awesome now. Rick is awesome, Daryl is awesome, Maggie is awesome, Hershel is awesome...

What show is this?

This is a good show!
I don't really think it was ever a bad show. As far as I'm concerned it got the one thing right that a zombie drama need to get right. The conflict is not the zombies, the conflict is the people who survive the zombie apocalypse. Zombies are just an obstacle.

I was disappointed shane died. I really liked him as character, because they needed someone like him to be in the show. However, now, we see Rick becoming more and more like Shane...which is GREAT in so many ways.

AMC makes god awful women characters in many of their productions so Lori dying was a plus. I don't care about T-dawg so thats an eh/meh. It can only get better form here, and it isn't LOST.. so I'd say we're in a good direction right?
 

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Hannibal942 said:
I can't wait till the show catches up to the comics.
It literally never will.
It would probably have to last until at least a 7th series to get to where the comics are now, and of course by then there'll be even more of the comics.

Tv series' usually just don't last that long without being axed
 

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I saw it from a different point of view and came to a similar conclusion
Rick tried applying his old standards and morality to the new world, and as a result, found that he was constantly betrayed and screwed over by circumstance. Rick is now sweaty and desperate and amoral and awesome.

Lori sucked (Yeah, she came off as an annoying entitled cow no matter what. Her death was incredibly stupid (Her characters decisions made no sense there at all) but at least she's gone now). Lori is now dead. (Props to Andrew Lincoln for his acting at the end of the episode, very powerful).

T-Dog was underdeveloped, and seemed to be meant to be heading for something that never happened, frustratingly, since his character was then halfway between the fleshed out characters and the background ones. T-Dog is now dead, and died a hero, which I guess substitutes for him coming to nothing.

Carl was an annoying kid (I think a lot of the scorn heaped on him comes from not understanding small children that much). Carl has had to grow up and take responsibility, and is now hardcore.

Andrea was stupid, and then became stupid and pointlessly antagonistic (Like Shane, but without the sociopathic excuse). Andrea is now back to stupid.

I got annoyed during the second series where they'd constantly get stuck on stupid issues caused by characters being pointlessly antagonistic. Hershel wanting to keep the walkers was stupid. They couldn't survive even if they were cured.

Shane wanting to antagonise Hershel was stupid, Rick negotiating with Hershel was stupid.

Hershel not wanting them on his farm was stupid, and linked back to his other stupid.

I think they've done a good job at tightening up the pacing issues the second season had, and putting more of a clear arc in (Especially if you're ahead in the comics), while previous seasons didn't have good pacing, or a clear arc. If you look at the comics, I think it's because the source material up to the prison is mostly a travelogue of sorts, and most of what they focussed the series on was original, but trying to fit the canon.

The character focus has been what I always liked, and they've managed to patch up the characters who were annoying. Carl was annoying for me because he was only ever the cause of problems, he rarely got any characterisation. Lori was annoying because she took herself to be a leader with Rick, but instead backstabbed and exploited everyone. Rick I've always liked, and I like his overall descent into re-evaluating his moral standpoint.

I'd strongly disagree to anyone who'd call Rick a Mary Sue. He's an archetype of the conservative father figure, like Liam Neeson's Brian in Taken. However, Rick is a deconstruction of that. His straight-edge approach and his staunch opinions on morality cause problems when his views aren't pragmatic, his refusal to be pragmatic with threats (He gives Shane wayy too many chances. Watch Season 2, and count how many times Shane either tries to kill him or says he'd like to, and how often Rick lets him off. It's insane.), like Shane or the bandits. Over the course of the series, he reevaluates, killing Shane and refusing to trust the prisoners, but his group is too small to cover the prison, and as a result, the prison gets invaded and he loses his wife.
 

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Mike Laserbeam said:
Hannibal942 said:
I can't wait till the show catches up to the comics.
It literally never will.
It would probably have to last until at least a 7th series to get to where the comics are now, and of course by then there'll be even more of the comics.

Tv series' usually just don't last that long without being axed
Not if they compress that huge part where Rick and Carl are on the road together with Abraham. I'd give them 2 seasons till they reach Alexandria-Safe Zone