The Walking Dead

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I just think its awesome that they are finally doing both of the things I have always thought would be obvious in that world. Take over a prison, and/or head to the coast and get a boat/island.

Lori keeping the baby, which stands almost no chance of survival even if they do manage to get it food, medicine, immunization etc. was the hight of stupidity. Its probably Shane's, and its crying, pissing and shitting, as well as its inevitable "doing something stupid and getting someone killed for it because I don't know any better yet" kid stuff is a liability.

How about you wait until you aren't living day to day survival, before you choose to stop being a productive member of the group for a few months and then have another mouth to feed forever afterwards? You can always fuck some more when and if there is an end to the hell on earth, mkay?

Not to mention that if repopulation is even remotely on your to do list of victory/hope/whatever it is you are justifying your stupid decision is, having a female that has proven capable of conceiving multiple children and is already of age is worth more than a fetus that might be male.

Maggie, Carol, and Maggie's sister are gonna have a long way to go ahead of them. Oh and everyone already being pre-zombie kinda makes for fun pregnancies what with a stillbirth eating its way out of you and all.

T was never developed at all as a character, we don't even know his fucking name. In season 2 I actually forgot he existed because he wasn't in like half the episodes. Carl has come to annoy me slightly less than Henry on Once Upon a Time, so there is that at least.

Rick crying like a little girl was a bit much. Not that he shouldn't have been crying, but it went JUST over the line of "seeing a hard man brought to tears" to "seeing an actor devolve into overblown hysterics"

I mean Carl manned up, but Rick was hard to watch for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Zyst]

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♫♫Joy to the world that ***** is dead.♫♫

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♫♫Let the earth receive that *****; Let every episode be rid of her, and fans and heaven sing, and fans and heaven sing...♫♫

 

[OneOfTheMichael's]

Read the book.
it's just wayyy better.
I didn't really care for any people on the show because I almost knew when who was getting killed after reading the books
Except for dale. They killed that guy off a whole lot sooner.

 

[Zyst]

Read the book.
it's just wayyy better.
I didn't really care for any people on the show because I almost knew when who was getting killed after reading the books
Except for dale. They killed that guy off a whole lot sooner.

You mean the comics? I've been reading them like really really slowly (Amazed at how fast they go, or being realistic how slow the show goes) and I find myself being confused a lot, a lot of characters alive that never existed on the show, a lot of people dying a lot earlier, some archs being skipped through completely (Pretty much fillers by the writers in other words) but overall I like them both. I do agree second season wasn't the best but I really like this season.

 

[WolfThomas]

And the governor is a complete idiot.

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

 

[BiscuitTrouser]

And the governor is a complete idiot.

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

This is how i saw it justified too. He wants those who NEED him. He needs dependency on him so he can enforce his rule. The military guys have survived a LONG time alone and probably have worn off of the conditioning to follow orders now having been freelance for almost a year. They are strong and dependent and too loyal to someone else. The governor wants to have people that need him to survive so he can control them.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

Not an idiot. A crazy amoral monster who gets off on control.

To him it makes sense to kill them all. They're military trained and loyal to each other. They pose a legitimate threat to his rule.

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

It's not like anyone from that group is hugely used to being in charge. The soldier who takes lead and seems to be the most in charge is a freaking corporal for Christ sake. Which is fine but it's not a leader among men, it's just another guy who is very used to taking orders.

This is how i saw it justified too. He wants those who NEED him. He needs dependency on him so he can enforce his rule. The military guys have survived a LONG time alone and probably have worn off of the conditioning to follow orders now having been freelance for almost a year. They are strong and dependent and too loyal to someone else. The governor wants to have people that need him to survive so he can control them.

They didn't survive alone. They were in a gated military camp that apparently had access to mechanics, tools, and enough room to keep a helicopter relatively functioning. They haven't been freelancing at all. They were simply the ones who managed to escape when the shit finally hit the fan at a military base. And are thus easy to control, because they kept the chain of command going until they finally got overrun.

 

[WolfThomas]

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

It's not like anyone from that group is hugely used to being in charge. The soldier who takes lead and seems to be the most in charge is a freaking corporal for Christ sake. Which is fine but it's not a leader among men, it's just another guy who is very used to taking orders.

But there's a chance one of these guys, who are National guard so majority reservist not regular soldiers, might think he'd make a better leader or object to some of the shadier things the Governor's men are definitely doing.

The Governor doesn't want that chance even if it's unlikely. He's got everyone hostage without them even realizing.

Spoiler: In the Novel Companion to the Comics

Brian "Phillip" Blake takes over Woodbury from three Reservists who are basically just going around raping and taking what they want.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yeah, it makes sense to him, because he's an idiot. Soldiers have been psychologically conditioned to obey authority. The only reason not to take them is if he really sucks at his job of being a leader, and ordering people around.

No, it makes "sense" if you view the Governor as a man completely obsessed with the idea of being in power. He'll want people around him he can bully or cajole. People he feels more capable than, mentally or physically. A group of trained soldiers (whose first loyalty is going to be to their own internal chain of command, not to him) would be a huge threat to such a man.

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

 

[Atrocious Joystick]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

You have to keep in mind these Soldiers come from the same military that suffered a devestating defeat against an enemy whose main tactic consist of slowly shambling towards a target.

 

[Wayneguard]

Currently fighting my way through season 2 in hopes of something worthwhile down the road. I feel a bit like the characters in the show in that respect. I'm slowly losing hope though.

The characters are currently too busy accidentally shooting or injuring themselves or one other to worry about zombies.

Wiki season 2 and start catching up on season 3. you'll thank me in the end.

 

[Whitbane]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

Yeah, the way they pull off headshots is a bit forced, I mean you would have skill a year or two into the zombie apocalypse, but Christ, they shoot their weapons like they're fully automatic and score headshot after headshot unless it's some forced story piece.

Every time Carl scores a headshot, I just shake my head and sigh. How old is that kid supposed to be again? Hell, guns are heavy, and at most he's like ten or twelve. Whatever cosmic force lets him run and gun zombies with headshots must be one nice entity.

 

[Zyst]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

Yeah, the way they pull off headshots is a bit forced, I mean you would have skill a year or two into the zombie apocalypse, but Christ, they shoot their weapons like they're fully automatic and score headshot after headshot unless it's some forced story piece.

Every time Carl scores a headshot, I just shake my head and sigh. How old is that kid supposed to be again? Hell, guns are heavy, and at most he's like ten or twelve. Whatever cosmic force lets him run and gun zombies with headshots must be one nice entity.

I think he's meant to be 8 in there.

 

[Zyst]

The show never stops pissing me off. I was fine with the little deviations from the comics, like staying on the farm longer, but at this point why even call it The Walking Dead?

What's the point of making an adaptation if you're not even going to bother following the material you're adapting?

Characters, initial following, setting lore to mention some. There's many benefits into adopting instead of creating from scratch.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

But there's a chance one of these guys, who are National guard so majority reservist not regular soldiers, might think he'd make a better leader or object to some of the shadier things the Governor's men are definitely doing.

The Governor doesn't want that chance even if it's unlikely. He's got everyone hostage without them even realizing.

Anyone in the town could do that already. The only reason to not bring them in is if he sucks at controlling people. Which the series goes out of its way to try to assure us he is good at. Their chain of command was decimated. Their leader is a guy not used to leading but rather used to being delegated orders by a sgt/lt who was in turn delegated orders by a captain who in turn was delegated orders as well.

No, it makes "sense" if you view the Governor as a man completely obsessed with the idea of being in power. He'll want people around him he can bully or cajole. People he feels more capable than, mentally or physically.

And he can't bully or cajole a bunch of reservists? I'm not trying to be mean, I know people in the military who are very smart, but none of them are reservists and none of them are corporal or below. He should easily be more intellectually/mentally capable than they are. And he doesn't look like hes physically inadequate either.

1) They have been trained to accept orders
2) Their chain of command was wiped out when the military base was overrun less than a week prior.
3) The Governor is supposed to be a capable manipulator.
4) He has a group of clearly highly capable combatants already(they were able to bullseye a dozen soldiers from across a field, which also means they were able to perfectly delegate targets in a very short period of time and then effectively engage them.)
5) He apparently has the loyalty of the towns inhabitants.
6) He could easily come up with reasons to split up the reservists on their patrols of the wall. Thus undermining any ability they might have to plan against him, as well as bringing them into the fold with the rest of his people.
7) They are also reservists so it is assumed that most of them are more used to doing non-combat stuff before the apocalypse. Thus he could easily convince some of them to help with non-patrol stuff a lot of the time, which would divide them more and integrate them into the community more.

Everything above gives him a distinct and large advantage in maintaining and keeping power/control. I've never heard of an egotistical power maniac refusing an easy chance to expand their power. Apparently hes the only high ego person who has almost no ambition whatsoever, go figure.

A group of trained soldiers (whose first loyalty is going to be to their own internal chain of command, not to him) would be a huge threat to such a man.

Their internal chain of command was wiped out and replaced by one apparent corporal. Controlling them would be easy.

"HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel.

It's a fictional series. The 'how' is usually not relevant unless it's clearly outside the bounds of possibility. Shooting accurately does not overstep those bounds, it merely pushes them, but does not break the story nor its internal logic.

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The only possible sense that what he did could make is if he was trying scare people into staying. IE: look what happened to those soldiers they were well armed but they died, you guys should never leave my safe walls. Except several things make that a poor explanation given the script/writing.

Michonne and Andrea had already been outside for a very long time and knew exactly what the score was. Swaying their opinions was not possible by doing such a thing. Also trading a dozen fighters for one or two is retarded. And no one else in the town showed any inclination of wanting to leave whatsoever. Everyone Michdrea saw seemed happy/content and everyone they talked to seemed pleased with the Governor. If there was a group of like 20 people who wanted to leave and take their chances in Atlanta trying to find their families or something; and he was like damn I need to sway their opinions to get them to stay. Then yeah killing a dozen soldiers or so would make sense from a psychopaths point of view. But that didn't happen, at all.

So it's either poor writing or poor writing from where I'm standing.

 

[WolfThomas]

A far more compelling question isn't "why did the Governor kill those soldiers" but rather "HOW did the Governor kill those soldiers". Element of surprise or not, a bunch of rag tag mooks with salvaged weapons shouldn't have been able to so easily overwhelm trained military personnel. They seem to have the same zombie apocalypse "unerring accuracy" trait that Rick's group acquired after Shane had them shoot at a log for 20 minutes.

They were National Guardsman not Marines or Infantry. Most were probably reservists and additionally could have been trained for support roles rather than combat. Then the fact they've been holed up in a military base for the last 8 months, it may have been pretty secure so they could have had less actual combat experience then the Governors boys. Add to this that they may have stressed and tired from their retreat.

The way the Governor walked up to them was unrealistic, the rest not necessarily.

The group has gained "unnerring accuracy" in a seven month gap between the last episode in season 2 and the first in season 3. The only people with it before were Rick, Darryl, Hershel and Shane. All with pre-exisiting gun experience. Yes it's still not perfectly realistic but meh, most shows aren't that realistic.

 

[Winthrop]

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Really? I didn't think they'd be that obvious... I can't remember if the person laying out the deer was wearing a prison uniform or not. Ah well, I was overthinking it.

Still don't know what's happened to Carol, though.

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We're talking about the writers of Walking Dead here, subtlety is not their strong point. Remember Shane? The guy might as well have had a swastika tattooed on his forehead.

Well it was a black guy in dark trousers on top of the things I already mentioned.

She'll turn up or she's been ate. Would've ruined the emotional climax if during Rick's break down she just strolled in.

With all due respect and not that I disagree with you, but I don't think they were even trying for subtlety here so I wouldn't hold it against them I mean

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I think the guy flat out admitted it with his whole "Lets take back the prison" thing. Only reason they didn't show his face at the beginning is that we were supposed to think it was the other prisoners. Once we saw him in the generator room, we were supposed to figure it out instantly

 

[TKretts3]

I don't get why there's so much hate on Season 2... I loved Season 2. That moment where they find Sophia was just amazing, and without the build up it would have just been dull. I loved the entire second Season. With that being said...

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NOT LORI! NO, NO, NO! Seriously, the way she died in the show, made me shed more than just one tear. I also loved the evolution and flashbacks that Carl went through in that moment. It also makes me worry for his future, well, sanity.

Also... A baby... In a zombie apocalypse... Yeah I see that going well.
NOT.

 

[votemarvel]

I don't get why there's so much hate on Season 2... I loved Season 2. That moment where they find Sophia was just amazing, and without the build up it would have just been dull. I loved the entire second Season. With that being said...

It was the sheer amount of padding in the season for me.

You could watch the first two episodes and the last three and know everything.

 

[FunKing]

Wait they've only gotten that far?

*returns to his comics*

Everything I hear about the series makes me glad I stuck with the comics.

I LOVE the comics...i enjoy the show, and i'm glad they didn't follow the story exactly due to it keeps me guessing and makes it way more enjoyable. It does have it's slow moments that the comic lacks (and when i say lacks i mean that as a compliment) There's never a dull moment in the comics, and has always pleased me.