The 'whats the point in marriage?' debate :)

CaptainMurasa

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bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
Best feeling in the world knowing you have someone who will say she wants to be with you and only you forever. It is nice not wondering if you are going to grow old alone. It is emotional security that nothing else can really offer.
Sure, it must be an amazing feeling for the people that don't get divorced after a few months of wedded bliss.
Yeah...you shouldn't enter into marriage lightly, and probably shouldn't get married until you are old enough to see past the wedding day.
But it's not as though divorce only happens to younger people. Sure it's more prevalent in people around my age but plenty of older people get married and divorced as well. To me, marriage is uncertain because love itself is uncertain and it seems foolhardy to make such a life changing decision based on such a fleeting emotion. You may be able to look past the wedding day but you can't predict what you'll feel then.
 

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Divorce is a major factor fueling my arguement.

While I find it sweet when a happy couple tell me they've been together for more than 5 years, I also have to wonder what trials and tribulations they must have faced.

There may have been cheating at one stage, maybe domestic abuse, or there could have been neglect, close-to seperation, on top of countles other possibilities, then again, the marriage up to that point, thinking optimistically instead of pessimistically could have been perfect.

I like to believe that marriage could be perfect, but no, it's not, no marriage is, they all have ups and downs and it's how you get through the down moments that tests the strength of your marriage, at what point does that chain break?

Note that people DO change when they get married or have to live together, you'll notice laziness or selfishness, cheating habits amongst other things and how will you deal with these things? Do you have the endurance to deal with these things.

While its wonderful me proposing to my girlfriend and making her the happiest girl in the world, what does that matter if I only go and fall in love with someone else later and make her the saddest ex wife in the world 10 years down the line, JUST because she's begun to piss me off with an attitude I happen to not like.

And what of those people who have been married more than once, does the element of marriage, the love, the romance, the commitment, lose it's novelty?
 

bdcjacko

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CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
Best feeling in the world knowing you have someone who will say she wants to be with you and only you forever. It is nice not wondering if you are going to grow old alone. It is emotional security that nothing else can really offer.
Sure, it must be an amazing feeling for the people that don't get divorced after a few months of wedded bliss.
Yeah...you shouldn't enter into marriage lightly, and probably shouldn't get married until you are old enough to see past the wedding day.
But it's not as though divorce only happens to younger people. Sure it's more prevalent in people around my age but plenty of older people get married and divorced as well. To me, marriage is uncertain because love itself is uncertain and it seems foolhardy to make such a life changing decision based on such a fleeting emotion. You may be able to look past the wedding day but you can't predict what you'll feel then.
Then perhaps you shouldn't get married. But do you take such a pessimistic view of everything? Why go to college when lot of people fail? Why get a job, I'll just be fired. Why do anything because I'll be over looked and it will amount to nothing.
 

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Well as far as secular marriages go there is a sentiment to having a ceremony that signifies a devotion for each other. Marriage is a concept that has been around for quite some time, it?s changed a lot either due to the society at the time or because a particular religion has taken it on. The one I put forth seems to be the current ideal. At least outside of religion, inside there?s some other stuff but even two people loving each other is still included.

Other than that it?s something that has been given a lot of government benefits and has some legal significance with a few things. Although personally I think the ceremony and the government benefits should be separated. After all this is why we are having the whole problem with gay marriage. Homosexuals want the same benefits but it?s been connected to this social phenomenon. At least there are people with clashing ideals as to what they think this whole marriage business should about and the government should listen to them and hand out things to the people they deem worthy.
 

DevilWolf47

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Well there is legal benefits for married couples...
That's it.

I don't say abolish marriage, but people put too much fucking emphasis on marriage. So many people act like marriage is more important than their brains and get married because of some sense of forced morality or desperation that they don't really think it through and end up in a bad marriage that won't last because of
A. Divorce
B. Someone "Disappearing."

People need to lighten up on a lot of things in general, but marriage in particular. Mankind is not in danger of going extinct because of not enough people having not enough kids, marriage won't automatically make you happy, and it's not an absolute necessity. Meet a nice girl, take her out, have safe sex, see if she's really the one for you. Or meet a nice guy, take him out, have safe sex, see if he's the one you want to raise a family with. Or meet someone of the same gender, see if they have a sexuality that agrees with yours, take them out, have safe-- oh you get the fucking idea. Marriage is a last step, it's only for when you're absolutely certain that you want to be with this person. Or it may be because you didn't have safe sex, someone wound up pregnant, and the mother decided to keep the kid, and you only do that as a way to avoid paying child support out the ass.

Anyway, let me reiterate my point, it has no significant meaning. You can do it if you're sure you can keep the marriage up, but don't force it. There is no shame in dying unmarried, there is only shame in dying in prison because you got in a marriage with someone you didn't really like, went postal, and now only get to see your child through bulletproof glass.
 

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bdcjacko said:
This is just me, but whenever I see someone arguing against marriage, I assume they are a teenage boy, or they have the maturity level of a teenage boy.

*And after checking the age of everyone else that has posted, and finding the oldest of you is 22, I kind of stand by that.
This is just me, but whenever I see someone try to debase an argument based on the race, age, or creed of a person, I assume they aren't intelligent enough to back up their claims through actual facts and opinions, and instead must rely on insulting someone while making themselves look silly. After looking at your post, I kind of stand by that.

OT: Mainly based on tradition, it's incredibly intimate in some ways, but at the same length restricting if you want to break it off eventually.
 

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bdcjacko said:
Iron Lightning said:
bdcjacko said:
Best feeling in the world knowing you have someone who will say she wants to be with you and only you forever. It is nice not wondering if you are going to grow old alone. It is emotional security that nothing else can really offer.
That would be the case if divorce didn't exist. Fortunately, that is not the world we inhabit. I don't understand why you appear to believe that such emotional security is impossible to achieve without a ring, a ceremony, and a binding legal contract.
Marriage is the emotional security. The wedding the day that you have the big fancy ceremony, and the binding legal contract is just an insurance policy to get your stuff if it doesn't work out
Well what if I just looked my girlfriend in the eye and said: "I love you so much that I want to be with you, and only you, until the day that one of us dies. I promise you this from the absolute bottom of my heart with as much sincerity as a man can muster."

There we have equivalent emotional security in thirty seconds flat. That way I also save several tens-of-thousands of dollars and in the unfortunate event of a break-up things will be much easier, simpler, and cheaper.

I simply see no logical reason for marriage when I can accomplish an equivalent feat without the help of the state.
 

CaptainMurasa

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bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
Best feeling in the world knowing you have someone who will say she wants to be with you and only you forever. It is nice not wondering if you are going to grow old alone. It is emotional security that nothing else can really offer.
Sure, it must be an amazing feeling for the people that don't get divorced after a few months of wedded bliss.
Yeah...you shouldn't enter into marriage lightly, and probably shouldn't get married until you are old enough to see past the wedding day.
But it's not as though divorce only happens to younger people. Sure it's more prevalent in people around my age but plenty of older people get married and divorced as well. To me, marriage is uncertain because love itself is uncertain and it seems foolhardy to make such a life changing decision based on such a fleeting emotion. You may be able to look past the wedding day but you can't predict what you'll feel then.
Then perhaps you shouldn't get married. But do you take such a pessimistic view of everything? Why go to college when lot of people fail? Why get a job, I'll just be fired. Why do anything because I'll be over looked and it will amount to nothing.
Hahaha, I wasn't planning on it.

To answer your question: yes I do. It's terribly unhealthy but it's worked for me so far.
 

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Marriage is a prison for the naive and idealistic, and a financial burden beyond any but childbirth - but at least childbirth completes a biological imperative.
Sounds like somebody went through a very nasty divorce haha
 

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Ignoring everyone elses comment because i'm to lazy to read them, i'll simply say. Marrige isnt for everyone, many people are perfectly content on never getting married and living their life without a designated "significant other". Marrige is actually becoming less common as time goes by, according to researchers. However many people still beleive the "point" of marrige is to find someone with whom you connect with (beyond the physial) and both mutually agree to be "devoted" or "Faithful" to one another simply to show that they care for the other person. But above all else marrige is mainly just a way to make ourselves and other people happy. In a poor comparison, doesn't buying a new TV, or working out, or reading a book make people happy? marrige is basically the same thing but with something extra, the ability to genuinely care for another person. And someone may think, but i care for tons of people, that doesn't mean i want to marry them. The feeling of "Love" is interesting. because in my opinion "Love" is not an emotion. if you break-down a human being to the most basic level, the only thing that person wants to do is survive, and reproduce to continue the species. But with those two are hundreds if not thousands of other factors that make everything else we do in our lives more comfortable. and no person is going to sacrifice anything that will make their life harder. yet with "Love" you ignore the instinct to put yourself first and only focus on the other person. this is contrary to any survival instinct humans have. which leads me to believe that if some people marry and others dont. it may be due to a gene or allae, rather than just an emotion. Heartbreak could just be the result of a varying of the gene or allae thus changing one persons opinion of another. No matter what the "answer" is to why we love, hate, etc. it's a wonderful thing. (Note: I ranbled a little but thats how people get when talking about things that can't be explained with word)
 

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Normalgamer said:
bdcjacko said:
This is just me, but whenever I see someone arguing against marriage, I assume they are a teenage boy, or they have the maturity level of a teenage boy.

*And after checking the age of everyone else that has posted, and finding the oldest of you is 22, I kind of stand by that.
This is just me, but whenever I see someone try to debase an argument based on the race, age, or creed of a person, I assume they aren't intelligent enough to back up their claims through actual facts and opinions, and instead must rely on insulting someone while making themselves look silly. After looking at your post, I kind of stand by that.

OT: Mainly based on tradition, it's incredibly intimate in some ways, but at the same length restricting if you want to break it off eventually.
Interesting, as I have given plenty of reasons on why marriage has a point, while mostly everyone here has proven why they shouldn't get married, but yet to prove that marriage is pointless for all.
 

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CaptainMurasa said:
Hahaha, I wasn't planning on it.

To answer your question: yes I do. It's terribly unhealthy but it's worked for me so far.
But then you must recognize while marriage isn't right for you, that doesn't mean it is a completely pointless outdated idea and still works for plenty.
 

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If we forget about legal/financial reasons (which are just implemented by society), there really is no reason to get married. I can see it be done as a sort of symbolic gesture (a declaration that I love you [my partner] and I neither want nor need to anyone else to make me happy), but it's something I wouldn't do even if I felt that way.
 

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Whats the point of anniversary gifts i see so many people do. Oh tehehe its our 1 month lets do gifts. Gimme a break.

Whats the point in a relationship? Oh i basicly have a friend of the opposite sex but with benifits. She'll nag me and expect me to read her mind.

Your right there isint much of a point. In a perfect world with perfect people sure. But the way things are and the current state of mind for most people there isint.

Get a job buy a house hang with your best friends and enjoy life. Thats all you need.
 

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It can be hypocritical, but marriage has transcended religion and legal benefits, and is more to do with an expression of love and commitment, to say that you love this person so much that you're not planning to go anywhere soon.

And tradition. I mean sure, we can use logic to point out the pointlessness of such actions, but human beings and logic tend to contradict each other, and we are all very much human here.

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It's not just religious. It's legal, too. A little piece of paper officially recognises that the two of you are rutting it regularily.
PERHAPS NOT SO REGULARILY IN FUTURE THOUGH DOHOY

No, but really, it's as much about the romance as it is about the religion and tax benefits. It's sort of like the highest point a relationship sans children can go. You've hit the final stage and it's all very exciting.
Getting past the engagement stage is like the final boss, newlyweds are so proud to have beaten it that they spend like the first month constantly fucking. Only then it turns out it wasn't the final boss and you have so much more game to go and it only gets harder.

This analogy could get pretty convoluted.

Anyway, that's why it's still around. There is all this romantic significance surrounding it.
I don't think any amount of logic will put a damper on that.
Yeah. That analogy is accurate though.
 

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Second of all, from your post, I'm going to assume that you don't know that marriage is actually a legally binding contract that the government recognizes. There are a couple benefits to this: like certain social services, certain tax breaks, also can make a joint bank account that can come with lots of other financial benefits.
That depends on where you live. In many countries you can have a "common law marriage", where two people aren't bells-and-rice married but still receive the similar benefits because they're de facto married.
 

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I am seriously sad about how jaded and cynical people are towards marriage. It is the most awesome thing two people can do for another (vowing to stick with eachother)

I think I'm going to be alone now. ;_;
 

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I see it as a commitment to a single person that pretty much says 'I belong to you', basically an act of ultimate trust.

Not that many others seem to see it that way.
 

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bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
CaptainMurasa said:
bdcjacko said:
Best feeling in the world knowing you have someone who will say she wants to be with you and only you forever. It is nice not wondering if you are going to grow old alone. It is emotional security that nothing else can really offer.
Sure, it must be an amazing feeling for the people that don't get divorced after a few months of wedded bliss.
Yeah...you shouldn't enter into marriage lightly, and probably shouldn't get married until you are old enough to see past the wedding day.
But it's not as though divorce only happens to younger people. Sure it's more prevalent in people around my age but plenty of older people get married and divorced as well. To me, marriage is uncertain because love itself is uncertain and it seems foolhardy to make such a life changing decision based on such a fleeting emotion. You may be able to look past the wedding day but you can't predict what you'll feel then.
Then perhaps you shouldn't get married. But do you take such a pessimistic view of everything? Why go to college when lot of people fail? Why get a job, I'll just be fired. Why do anything because I'll be over looked and it will amount to nothing.
But these things are things that rely on your efforts and your efforts only, you know the extent of your abilities so you know what you are capable of doing and you can push yourself to achieve these things, but in marriage, you don't know what your lover is capable of, flaws that may not be trivial, but in fact quite prominent, flaws that you may not notice as girlfriend and boyfriend due to the fact you are trying your best to impress. When married you no longer have to impress, you are more or less free to be yourself, making changes to fit the circumstances of the marriage, but what happens if you find out the person you married is unwilling to change the way they operate despite the fact they claimed to be commited to you, what if you are making all the effort and they aren't? How do you get past those hurdles, especially when it involves children, how do you deal with someone who is neglecting your kids or even hurting them or you? How do you deal with a cheating partner? How do you deal with less drastic issues, like them refusing to help you deal with household bills, or falling out with your family and refusing to make amends despite how much you want things to get better.

Yes, there is a degree of pessimism to this point, but you have to face it, it's truth, we as humans are inclined to think differently from each other and quite often we make decisions that are short term rather than long term, we make decisions because they make sense now, but come 5 years down the line, that decision loses its affirmity.

Even the 26 years my parents have had together has been challenging at the best of times, quite often to the point divorce was considered, nothing as big as cheating or abuse, but plain and simply because my dad is admittedly uncooperative, grumpy and rather unreasonable, as kids we've gotten used to it and find it amusing to tease him because of it, but to my mum, it can be a stress at times, 90% of the time we are one big happy family, laughing, joking, playing, the usual, but that odd 10% can leave my mum crying, simply because she would like my father to be a little more considerate towards her feelings.

There are some couples that are perfect and never encounter these issues, but that's rare, luckily, despite my dad's annoying habits, he would never cheat on my mum, he just doesn't have it in him nor would he ever lay a finger on her.
 

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Legion IV said:
Whats the point of anniversary gifts i see so many people do. Oh tehehe its our 1 month lets do gifts. Gimme a break.

Whats the point in a relationship? Oh i basicly have a friend of the opposite sex but with benifits. She'll nag me and expect me to read her mind.

Your right there isint much of a point. In a perfect world with perfect people sure. But the way things are and the current state of mind for most people there isint.

Get a job buy a house hang with your best friends and enjoy life. Thats all you need.
I'll agree, having month anniversaries is a crock. But lemme guess, you are 18?