The Whole I Hate 'Jocks' Thing

[DraftPickle]

Right I'm 6"1 bout 15 Stone, now because I have gym membership, I like a drink and loud things, I get accused of being brain dead, monstertard. It brought to my attention on this site, so many times people say "I totally cornered this stereotypical Jock type" What a fucking joke are yey not equally as shallow if you label people to a certain stereotype?
That or this sites full of insecure dicks (I know it aint true but for the point I'm making)

Whats your view on the Nerd/Jock/other stereotype thing thing?

 

[reg42]

...are yey not equally as shallow if you label people to a certain stereotype?

Not if the person actually does conform to that stereotype. I've met some people who are basically just walking stereotypes.

 

[SonicKoala]

I never really had to deal with the whole "jock" thing, and I was fortunate enough to never be bullied on during my time in high school. That being said, I agree that it is shallow to label people, but then again, if the individuals in question are total douchebags, then maybe they deserve the labels they get.

And frankly, you don't sound that much like a jock. You're big and you drink, but as long as you aren't a douche, then I wouldn't call you a "jock".

 

[tzimize]

There's a reason I hate these 'Jocks' as ye Americans call them. Because they used to beat the shit out of me, psychologically torture me, and I was nearly driven to both suicide and murder. That's the fucking reason.

I don't think that if you're a big guy who drinks, that makes you a jock, what makes a person a jock is a willing disposition to trade intelligence for group mentality and strength, and bully people smaller then themselves. That's what I define it as.

Once again furburt steals the day. I've not been here long, but I've read enough threads to know you are on the spot in most threads very early...I'm starting to think you might be multiple people...

OT: I agree with Furburt. Even though I have not had the same experiences I know it to be not uncommon. And these kind of jocks are the garbage of humanity.

 

[Dragon_of_red]

Yeah, arent Jocks just all massive douchebags picking on people smaller than them and who cant tell their left hand from their right one without help.

Why the hell should they deserve mine or anyones sympathy if they are being steryotyped out, i dont care.

 

[JMV]

Well, if you specified some of your other tastes, it would be easier not to label you. But people will always try to label others, if they don't it's just too confusing and frightening. And, to be honest, if I saw someone who likes to work out, drink and "loud things" (?), I would probably consider them a jock before knowing that person. I'm not saying people who like these things are necessarily shallow, mind you, but those things alone and in combination are kind of moronic. I myself like to drink and go to concerts and whatnot, but I also obviously like videogames and geeky stuff. And I study my ass off. So, I don't fit in many stereotypes and the friends I have recognize and accept that. Others, well, I like to freak out . But if they see me for what I am I can call them friends.

So, basically, people will always put labels on everyone and it's up to you if you will care about that or not. Personally, I couldn't care less.

 

[Lost In The Void]

While generally this "I hate Jock" thing started with some people being bullied as children by these set stereotypical big sports dummies who do nothing but lift weights and pick on smaller people, it has instead become the norm to associate anyone who looks like one of these "Jocks" to be stereotyped with them. While this isn't as wide spread as it could be, it appears that is has done enough for you to associate yourself with the stereotype, though you don't wish to be part of it. Unless you have a side that includes bullying or outright terrorizing people, then you actually don't fit into this stereotype and you should be happy for that. Though you most likely will have to live with being stereotyped, if you get to know the people, they should be able to see that this is not the case.

What I'm saying is, though you may feel and may actually be being lumped in with the negative stereotype, as long as you don't conform to the image it portrays completely, then you should be safe.

 

[Enigma6667]

Although I hate stereotyping people, I hate when something is just..stereotypical, because of how generically "cloned" it is. That's why I prefer calling them "clones" instead of stereotypes.

I absolutely hate the jock "clone" simply because of how absolutely retarded they act, their douchebaggery that levels to extreme levels, and the fact that they find themselves better than everyone else because they scored a single touchdown despite the fact most of them don't know that 2+2 actually equals 4. FUCKING 4!!

 

[oppp7]

I think nerds just like to think of everyone else as stupider than they are, because jocks being smarter, more athletic, AND popular would be impossible to deal with.

Coming from a school where all the 'smart' people became stoners who dropped out and all the 'jocks' went to college and filled the honors classes I have to say the jock stereotype is pretty far off. Just because someone likes sports doesn't mean they're stupid.

 

[Sockerbit]

"Someone people were mean to me, so instead of taking my anger out on the people that actually were mean to me, I'm going to treat strangers on the internet like crap because they remind of the people that were mean to me."

 

[kurupt87]

I'm english, and in my experience it's more to do with how people act. The stereotypes here are much broader and relaxed, and so if someone is disliked it's for who they are personally.

I haven't been to america, let alone schooled there, but from the media it does seem like the stereotypes are more rigid and that you must become part of one and conform to its "rules" to, for lack of a better word - survive. Obviously this might be complete fairytale ravings, but that's the impression outsiders get of american school culture.

I played rugby for the school, also represented it in athletics and football. Had good grades. Also played Warhammer 40k and was part of the schools "Games Society". Got plastered on a weekly basis (with people from all these different social circles in the same place) whether forged ID was accepted or not. Played a lot of video games and read alot as well, but I'm here so you've guessed that part. I do not think I'd have been able to do this if I'd been in america, at least without being hated by some of the stereotypical groups or becoming outcast from them all.

I'll stop there, I don't know enough to make more judgements than I already have.

Edit: Obviously we do have bullies here, but they are not stereotypically part of any social group. Could be jock, nerd, goth etc. Groups of bullies here are just that, bullies, they're not normally particularly good at anything other than being an arse and and general c*nt to other people. They'd be hated by the rest of the school, but accepted as part of it because bullying is an unfortunate part of schools and growing up.

I'd gone to an all boys school, with a girls school across the road. This meant that during school there was little to no bullying (no girls to "impress") while after school and at bus stops/on buses is where most bullying took place. Only during sixth form (17-18) were girls admitted to our school, and by then everyone had matured enough to get along no matter the differences.

Perhaps that's a post for another thread, how we are expected to mature and given responsibilites at 18, and are considered adult. Whereas americans are considered, I hesitate to say this, children until 21.

 

[Aur0ra145]

So, is there a difference between jocks and athletes?

 

[Crosshead]

I'm speaking from a position of ignorance here, as pretty much everything I know about American High Schools come from your media, but I sometimes wonder if there are "pre-defined cliques" for high school students. So if you're athletic, you're a jock. Congratulations! You now have buddies striving to be similar to you, pre-defined enemies (Geeks), and a whole identity, ready to go. At an age when you're struggling to develop an identity, it has to be appealing. We don't really have that here in Britain (But then we don't have sports scholerships, so I'd expect a lot less Jocks). We don't have cheerleaders, or glee club, or anything like that. We still have bullying of course, but it seems to be less institutional than American schools, where you are encouraged to live up to your chosen stereotype.

I could be way off the mark here, and I'd be interested to hear escapist opinions.

 

[Biosophilogical]

See, that's the thing, I do hate Jocks. That doesn't mean I hate sporty people or buff people, it means I hate people who fit the Jock stereotype of being braindead, hormone-controlled pack-animals. There is a massive difference bewtween hating stereotypical people and hating people because of a stereotype, and, in my case anyway, whenever I refer to a stereotype it is because the person I'm referring to is stereotypical.

 

[Calatar]

It brought to my attention on this site, so many times people say "I totally cornered this stereotypical Jock type"

I am confused. Who says "I cornered this stereotypical Jock type"? What does that even mean?
If a guy was a stereotypical Jock, why would anybody want to corner him?
Because I'm imagining a stereotypical pimply nerd, glasses shining with moonlight, DnD book in hand, slowly approaching a quarterback 3 times his size at the end of a dark alley while the quarterback cowers in fear. Doesn't make much sense to me.

What a fucking joke are yey(?) not equally as shallow if you label people to a certain stereotype?

I don't like stereotypes myself, but they are a fast way of conveying a story to people. You can spend a lot of time describing individual details of a guy who nearly fits a stereotype, or you can use the stereotype and have your audience understand you immediately. It's not exactly a good thing, but it's the way we work.

That or this sites full of insecure dicks

Says the guy posting on the internet to validate his opinion. Now really, you don't need to be so gosh-darn confrontational about your irritation over the use of a stereotype. You're stereotyping the site as full of primarily either shallow or insecure people.

Whats your view on the Nerd/Jock/other stereotype thing thing?

My view on the stereotype thing is: stereotypes are (thought-to-be) statistically likely shared characteristics of a group of entities. There are plenty of exceptions, and they typically take exception to having the stereotype applied to them. The most accurate way to judge people is as individuals with individual characteristics. But humans are lazy (stereotypically), and we find it easier to form generic inductive rules, apply it to everything, then sort out the exceptions later.

Not much more to say about it. If you use stereotypes, you're being mentally lazy, but it's human nature. If you find yourself the victim of a negative stereotype: sucks to be you.

 

[DazZ.]

I don't bother trying to classify people as "whatever", mainly because people my age don't have stereotypes, everyone grows out of whatever they were pigeon-holed as kids, however even when I was a kid I still didn't bother.

You can't be just one thing, everyone has more interests than stereotypes allow.