The Wishlist: Munitio SV Earphones

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... $130!? I thought my $30 Razer Moray headphones were a tad on the pricey side. I don't see how these could be much better, especially to justify that price.
 

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Link in the description is borked.

"the wubiest of wub wub"
And thus, a new playlist is born.

I've had flat cable headphones for a while and never have they been as tangled as all other prior headphones but the sound is a bit meh and without the control button things.
I think these are worth a look into!
 

don_geilo

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They sure seem nice, alas, that price seems me a cost i shall not bear, since I pay less than half elsewhere.
 

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*See video*
Ooh, pretty headphones, I need new buds.
*Impressed by everything*
Wow, so how much are th-
Nevermind...
 

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They look a little pricey -then again I don't like to spend too much for in ears but I recommend a pair of sennheisers as they are decent quality and good value for money but if your after an inline remote these seem good.

Chrono212 said:
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"the wubiest of wub wub"
And thus, a new playlist is born.
Agreed.
 

LordFish

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Hmm, I've never heard of this make, I wonder if they are actually any good...


Frequency Response (low): 20 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 20 kHz


That'll be a 'no' then :) More of a fashion statement, no wonder it works so well with Apple products.

For truly wubby wub-wub check out the low range on my (cheaper) Sony MDRXB40EX ;)


Frequency Response (low): 4 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 24 kHz


Thanks for the show though, Ashley! :D
 

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LordFish said:
Hmm, I've never heard of this make, I wonder if they are actually any good...


Frequency Response (low): 20 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 20 kHz


That'll be a 'no' then :) More of a fashion statement, no wonder it works so well with Apple products.

For truly wubby wub-wub check out the low range on my (cheaper) Sony MDRXB40EX ;)


Frequency Response (low): 4 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 24 kHz


Thanks for the show though, Ashley! :D

Except of course it's pointless to judge headphone by their published specifications.

Of course these headphones are probably terrible, like all 'gamer' headsets and 'surround sound' headphones.
As we are told they have boosted treble and bass, we can enjoy a sucked-out midrange and so lose the vast majority of the information in the music, you know like vocals and most instruments.

Maybe you should try having an actually good headphone on the 'wishlist'? Maybe an HD800? LCD3? Stax 009? You know a headphone someone might actually wish for!


P.s. HD800 = 14-44100Hz (-3dB). Of course frequency responses are pointless unless you include the acceptable decibel loss they are measured from. (in HD800 it changes to 6-51000Hz if you accept a 10dB loss).

P.p.s. Why would you recommend these headphones for travelling? They appear quite clearly open design - they will have terrible isolation! No isolation = bad audio quality or hearing damage. Nice.
 

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LordFish said:
Hmm, I've never heard of this make, I wonder if they are actually any good...


Frequency Response (low): 20 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 20 kHz


That'll be a 'no' then :) More of a fashion statement, no wonder it works so well with Apple products.

For truly wubby wub-wub check out the low range on my (cheaper) Sony MDRXB40EX ;)


Frequency Response (low): 4 Hz
Frequency Response (high): 24 kHz


Thanks for the show though, Ashley! :D
Specs aren't everything; companies can claim a 4-24k response range, but it might have an awful frequency response curve. Munitio could be modest with their advertised 20-20k response range.

I know nothing about your pair from Sony, or about any of Munitio's products, I'm just saying you can't determine sound quality purely from that one set of numbers.
 

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Spakka said:
UNHchabo said:
I know frequency response isn't a great indication of quality, but it gives you an idea and helpdesk weed out the 20-20k's that tend to be god awful (Skull Candy, Dre Beats and the like)

And just like anything the manufacturers will try and bend the rules as much as they can, but when they are all bending the rules the same amount it gives you a yard stick to work to.

Additionally those Sony's have a 13.5mm driver and do indeed kick out some very rich bass, so the 4hz did indeed indicate reality :)
 

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i must request more jokes on your videos "the wubiest of wub wub" was ok but when you told that quick story about you and your guild it made me laugh so hard i though it was good video the camera rig was diferent but still a bit funny

remember they dont have to be real story or exclusive to you maybe from someone else from the production just add a bit ok geekiness and should be fine :D

good luck
 

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I like the idea of this series but hey sound too much like commercials to me. Also the only thing so far that actually could have been on my wish list is the logitech headset. The other products are quite obscure.
As for headphones, for travelling I would recommend Etymotic HF2/5 (one of the models has a microphone). They have excellent isolation (but not not much bass)
I also have monster turbines - they have a strong bass - too much for me. They are also quite heavy. So now i am using Vsonic GR06 which are more balanced but not very comfortable. But both of these have worse isolation than the HF2.
There are also good sony, senn an other in ear headphones that i am just not familiar with.
Also, for long traveling you might be better off using on ear and not in ear headphones. There are a lot of closed and noise cancelling headphones to choose from (active noise cancelling is quite bad on most headphones, and requires a battery. But there are some really good ones as well.)
And like others mentioned before me - technical specs on headphones are totally useless.
I would really like to see some more practical gadgets on the wishlist like: fancy keyboards (mechanical, with LCDs on every key, strange layouts etc) , mice with a lot of buttons like the naga for mmos or with high accuracy for FPS, fancy mousepads (you will be surprised how many different ones exist), game controllers of various kinds (steering wheels, pedals, joysicks, gamepads) and general silly stuff like the diablo 3 usb memory stick or game character statues.
 

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I won't buy any headphones that aren't behind the neck anymore. They're so convenient

LordFish said:
Spakka said:
UNHchabo said:
I know frequency response isn't a great indication of quality, but it gives you an idea and helpdesk weed out the 20-20k's that tend to be god awful (Skull Candy, Dre Beats and the like)

And just like anything the manufacturers will try and bend the rules as much as they can, but when they are all bending the rules the same amount it gives you a yard stick to work to.

Additionally those Sony's have a 13.5mm driver and do indeed kick out some very rich bass, so the 4hz did indeed indicate reality :)

Lol. Except humans can't hear sounds lower than 20 hz and higher than 20,000 hz (20 khz)
 

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$130? You can keep 'em. I'll stack my $10 (including shipping) pair from monoprice against most of the expensive ones in this thread, and really anything over $30 would be better spent on actual stereo components, not some easily lost piece of portable equipment.

By the way, don't just take my word on those monoprice earbuds, the headfi forum loves them, and is how I found out about them. They're apparently as good or better than most sets of earbuds costing less than $50.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/580769/the-monoprice-new-mp9927-pg-208-mp8320-mep-933-the-7-11-club

^That's the forum thread where people found out about them

http://www.head-fi.org/products/monoprice-8320-iem/reviews

^and here's the review page for the silver model. The other colors come with additional tips, but are otherwise identical. Notice that they're listed as #6 in universal fit. That's #6 out of all of the non-custom earbuds people have reviewed on there, regardless of price.

Edit: To describe the sound, it's balanced and full range. Nothing over emphasized, nothing under emphasized. The drivers are 14. something (I want to say 14.2?) millimeters, which in an earbud is ginormous. As the old saying goes, "there's no replacement for displacement." They don't have a microphone or one of those control buttons, but monoprice does sell a model which has one. Word is the sound isn't bad, although it's not as good as these.
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
Lol. Except humans can't hear sounds lower than 20 hz and higher than 20,000 hz (20 khz)
Hence the whole paragraph about 'rule-bending', 'yardsticks' and 'Indications of performance'. I know the ear phones sound good low down, my sound tech mate said the bass was richer than a lot of other buds so I'd like to postulate a corelation between 'published low end frequency range' and subjective quality.

Owyn_Merrilin said:
Ooo, I am VERY interested :) Have been wanting another pair to keep at work
 

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I prefer cans for my editing needs, but that's just me.

Anyways, I've been looking around to replace my Skullcandy buds and I was looking at those. A little expensive, but if it means I can fiddle with my ipod's EQ setting without much annoyance then happy day.

...Yes, I know I have a problem, but at least I embrace it. :D
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
Lol. Except humans can't hear sounds lower than 20 hz and higher than 20,000 hz (20 khz)
But you can feel the the below 20Hz frequencies. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrasound
Though I highly doubt that any in ear headphone is capable of doing that due to the amount of power required to make it noticable.
 

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LordFish said:
That'll be a 'no' then :) More of a fashion statement, no wonder it works so well with Apple products.
Yeah, how DARE they only include the maximum human hearing range!

...I feel dirty for participating in product placement.
 

Something Amyss

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Costia said:
Though I highly doubt that any in ear headphone is capable of doing that due to the amount of power required to make it noticable.
There will always be people who buy it anyway. I mean, there's people who swear they can tell the difference even if they can't in a lab test (These people predate dubstep by a fair margin).

There's also these people [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/10233-PC-Gamer-Master-Card].
 

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People looking for decent earphones...actually the correct term for these is IEM's (in-ear monitors):
> Etymotic
> Shure
> Sennheiser
> Klipsch
> Ultimate Ears

Buy a product from any of the above companies and you'll be set for a quality audio experience.
 

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Yuuki said:
People looking for decent earphones...actually the correct term for these is IEM's (in-ear monitors):
> Etymotic
> Shure
> Sennheiser
> Klipsch
> Ultimate Ears

Buy a product from any of the above companies and you'll be set for a quality audio experience.

Good selection of brands, but I've never liked that term being applied to consumer equipment. "In ear monitor" is really a pro audio term, used to differentiate the kind that go in your ears from the giant speakers that sit on the floor in front of the musicians/engineers. It's called a "monitor" because they let you monitor the mix live, which is why it doesn't really work when you're just passively receiving a completed recording. This is especially important for the musicians, because in a big enough venue, it's easy to be unable to hear your own amp when it's pointed at the audience and at the proper volume. Stage monitors/IEMs are supposed to let you hear yourself without screwing up the mix, while studio monitors are the things the engineers use to listen as they mix studio recordings. I know audiophiles tend to use the term for the kind of earbuds that go inside your ear, but I find myself consciously avoiding it unless I know the audience is going to know what the heck I'm talking about.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
I know audiophiles tend to use the term for the kind of earbuds that go inside your ear, but I find myself consciously avoiding it unless I know the audience is going to know what the heck I'm talking about.
I know plenty of people who use studio monitors for simply listening to music (completed recordings) because they want a neutral/flat and accurate sound, to which they can then apply custom EQ's to tweak it to their liking. Same thing with the more expensive headphones (e.g. Sennheiser HD650), very pricey but designed at providing mind-blowing quality to everyday consumers. You can get low-end budget studio monitors for as little as $100-200.

So I simply applied that logic to In-ear phones (not to be confused with Ear-buds), they go far deeper and can provide a really rich experience with passive noise cancellation to boot. There have to be consumer grade in-ear monitors available, and that's what Etymotic and Shure have been doing for a while now.

This is what I've been rolling with for about ~1.5 years now:
Sennheiser IE7

They're technically classified as "earbuds" but I don't know why considering they go quite deep in : /
 

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Lessee, my previous "headphones" were a set of earbuds that cost $9.95 and lasted me 3 years before one went out.

My current set (purchased just last week) cost a whopping $14.88 and has a built in microphone.

...

I think that Ashley's suggested item is a tiny bit out of my price range,
 

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Copper Zen said:
Lessee, my previous "headphones" were a set of earbuds that cost $9.95 and lasted me 3 years before one went out.

My current set (purchased just last week) cost a whopping $14.88 and has a built in microphone.

...

I think that Ashley's suggested item is a tiny bit out of my price range,
My headphones cost twice as much as yours!

...It doesn't mean anything, but it sounds impressive in a vacuum.
 

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Does a pair of $130 ear buds make Ashley sound less bored as she delivers the review?
 

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She's clearly wearing a mic, so why are they using ambient audio for this video? Bad audio makes me cry. :"(
 

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Well you know what?

1) I'm an earphone enthusiast and I never heard of these
2) My first look on these reveals one fatal flaw - flat cable. Flat cables were all the rage a few years ago, but now consumers and manufacturers realize how stupid it is. Flat cables are hard, get in the way and they break a lot.

Also, while $130 isn't that much for REALLY good earphones, I doubt these will be up to par. I own two IEMs in this price range (considering a 3rd one) and they pretty much beat anything <$400 from a few years ago. I don't believe a manufacturer which puts out a headset with flat cabling can pull off the same thing.
 

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Yuuki said:
People looking for decent earphones...actually the correct term for these is IEM's (in-ear monitors):
> Etymotic
> Shure
> Sennheiser
> Klipsch
> Ultimate Ears

Buy a product from any of the above companies and you'll be set for a quality audio experience.
Etymotic definitely isn't for everyone and the other brands are ridiculously overpriced.

The award for best value/price ratio goes to VSonic, pretty much anything from them will equal Shure (which is the best brand from the 5 you mention IMHO) with 3x the price.

Also notable: Fischer Audio or Rock it Sounds, there are actually hundreds of manufacturers that provide amazing quality for low prices.
 

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Assassin Xaero said:
... $130!? I thought my $30 Razer Moray headphones were a tad on the pricey side. I don't see how these could be much better, especially to justify that price.
Most "gaming" headphones cost 200 and are the same as your 30 dollar razor. that being siad there do are great headphones where the quality of sound is miles beyond, but you have to know what to pick and not jsut follow the shiniest "gaming" rig. sennheisers is a more famous brand for good quality headphones.


LordFish said:
And just like anything the manufacturers will try and bend the rules as much as they can, but when they are all bending the rules the same amount it gives you a yard stick to work to.

Additionally those Sony's have a 13.5mm driver and do indeed kick out some very rich bass, so the 4hz did indeed indicate reality :)
Well, i do have my cheap version of headphones that go for 16-20k and its good enough for voice coms that usually dont go above 64kbps coding anyway.
 

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Finally watched the video (I didn't have a chance before commenting earlier, I was commenting on the comments instead of the video itself.) The description makes it sound like it's not worth $20, let alone $130. If it's all highs and lows (or "boom and sizzle," as the saying goes) it might be impressive when you first hear it, but then over time you'll realize you're missing most of what's on the recording. There's also nothing particularly special about that pair of headphones from what I can see -- it's a random pair of expensive earbuds, no connection to gaming, nothing really geeky there, just your standard over priced audio equipment. Even the little carrying case is pretty standard when you get into that price range. So what's so interesting about this again?
 

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Yuuki said:
People looking for decent earphones...actually the correct term for these is IEM's (in-ear monitors):
> Etymotic
> Shure
> Sennheiser
> Klipsch
> Ultimate Ears

Buy a product from any of the above companies and you'll be set for a quality audio experience.

I own a pair of Logitech UE 900 earphones... but those are $400 (similar in price to Sennheiser, Shure and other audiophile-class earphones), which I knew would cause a price point riot, so I went with the Munitios instead.

For the folks who only spend $20-$30 on IEMs, that's totally understandable these aren't for you. I feel the same way about sunglasses -- I only spend $20 max on em, since I lose/break them all the time, and can't for the life of me grasp why someone would pay $200+ for something they'll probably end up sitting on at some point.

Same concept, you know?

Plus, we just did a WIshlist on the Logitech G930 headset I have, and I don't want everyone screaming "LOGITECH BIAS!!11" at me. Which I KNOW would happen.
 

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Since I always have my mp3-player with me, I use my earbuds every day. If I learned anything in the last couple of years it's that, if you use them on a daily basis, no pair of headphones, regardless of price, lasts longer than 6 months before the cable right at the plug breaks. This in return tought me never to buy a pair of earbuds that costs more than 20? (around 17$) again. Let alone 130 bucks. Also, I only buy earbuds from Sennheiser and always from the bargain bin (they usually have been considerably more expensive but don't get build anymore and are replaced with newer models), which usually supplies me with good, balanced sound quality for a reasonable price.

This assumingly overpriced junk does look nice, I'll give you that.

Oh, and also, even mp3s in 256kbit/s quality and above don't have very good sound, so it doesn't even make sense to have very good headphones on a mediocre player (like iOS devices) with mp3s where a good portion of sound gets cut out due to compression.
 

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I like to call these earbeads, I have ones that cost less than 2? for 3 months already :D
As for my PC I have 11? full on headphones which do their job perfectly.
This is why I don't watch this show, I'm not a sap for marketing.
 

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Munitio has been making earphone since 2010, yet I assume I wasn't in a race to survey the primary discharges on the grounds that the earpieces were intended to look like projectile housings. I'm generally doubtful of headphone plans that appear to put such an emphasis on a visual trick, yet Munitio has extended past its initial models, and the Munitio SV is a $129.99 (list) in-trench demonstrate with a basic visual outline and strong sound execution.

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