The World Does Not Hate Captain America

[karloss01]

I've been to see this film 3 times I enjoyed it so much. I come from the UK and I'd still happily watch a film this good that was about Captain Brazil or Captain Italy. Just because the story is around an American patriot doesn't mean it loses its value overseas.

Spoiler: to save poeple who haven't seen it

Not even that, Captain America is not even that patriotic his whole image was made by the investors of the super soldier program. He?s just a guy doing the right thing, it especially shows when the doctor (can?t remember his name) asks him if he wants to kill some Nazis and he replies with along the lines of ?I just want to stop the bullies and prevent people getting hurt?.

That?s why I think he works internationally in this film because he?s a patriot of Good, not a country.

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

I love the fact that instead of going all "ideal american = america is ideal", Captain America is just "ideal person"; Good all the way to his core and it's an ideal to aspire to and be inspired by.

Exactly. I enjoyed the film, it was definitely better than Thor, but Hollywood shouldn't take this as a cue to start throwing American patriots into every film, which they probably will now.
Another thing; why does this film's success justify 3D? Seriously, I don't know I single person who saw this in 3D.

 

[Acidwell]

Just because america is in the title doesnt mean anything, 2 points about the stupidity of thinking it would only do well in america:
1. Its about world war 2 so has a pretty big audience right there.
2. It doesnt spent the whole time sucking up to the U.S. Military, unlike some recent film franchises *cough*Transformers*Cough*
(There is also a slight third point of ITS A FUCKING COMIC BOOK MOVIE, fantasy is loved everywhere)

 

[Nickolai77]

It's a film which could have gone badly wrong, and come across as a film which was overly patriotic, cheesy and worse of all tried to pass itself off as serious.

But it wasn't, they handled a difficult subject matter well. This was done by making it more about the Captain being a "good person" rather than the nation he symbolises as being good. Captain America doesn't actually represent America as "good", but he represents a good American, which is fine, anyone can relate to that.

I liked how also America's allies were given "diplomatic" treatment. Captain America rescued them from captivity, and then they later on in the film "rescued" the Captain. Basically, it's team work- Captain America relies on his allies, and his allies relay on Captain America, and that's the metaphor that people outside America want when looking back on WW2- not the America saves the world single-handedly lark, which was parodied in "Team America".

I'm slightly worried however that Hollywood feared this film wouldn't sell abroad because they worried it was overly-patriotic. This suggests that Hollywood doesn't know it's international audience all that well since it doesn't know what non-American audiences like and don't like. You'd have thought with all the international talent in Hollywood they'd have some idea as to what the outside world likes and doesn't like.

 

[Pinkamena]

Lold at green lantern budget and earnings. That is most positively a shitty movie.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Maybe international audiences are pining for the days when "I'm an American" was a statement of quiet pride, rather than a shout of macho superiority.

Full disclosure: I'm an American.

 

[Marik2]

Meh theres no "AMURCA FUCK YEAH" in the film, its proletysing is more about being a good person in general.

Thats the kind of thing that would have put off so many people around the world.

But if you want it here it is

 

[Kurokami]

He's just wrong for Green Latern, but perfect for Deadpool.

Disagree. Yes he's a fantastic actor, but he's not loud, not vulgar, and not rough sounding enough to play Deadpool imo.

 

[Duruznik]

Meh theres no "AMURCA FUCK YEAH" in the film, its proletysing is more about being a good person in general.

Thats the kind of thing that would have put off so many people around the world.

But if you want it here it is

Now that was just brilliant.

OT: I loved the movie, and don't live anywhere near the States. It didn't try to alienate foreigners by saying "this is OUR hero only, gottit?" Rather, it showed him as a hero that fought for values that anybody could identify with.

 

[Luke3184]

Oh, Green Lantern. I think you may have single-handedly ruined Ryan Reynolds career. And for that, we thank you.

Speak for yourself, he's a good actor, Waiting and Buried? Hell, he was even decent in Blade and Wolverine even though those movies sucked. He has the tendency to be in bad movies, not being a bad actor.

Blasphemy, Blade trinity was the movie of my early teens! But yeah I agree he is a pretty damn good actor...

 

[Tsaba]

One thing though, why has Thor out performed First Class? That ain't right.

Thor outperformed them all... That ain't right.

But, yes, fantastic movie.

 

[Anti-Robot Man]

As others have said - it was a good movie, that's why it did well internationally (for the record I'm from the UK). I thought it was the best of the comic movies this year, and it used it's budget effectively: Thor had fx heavy scenes but the Earth stuff was dull, Green Lantern I didn't watch but looked terrible, First Class was very good but was patchy in parts - i.e. whenever the focus wasn't on Magneto and/or Xavier.

I don't think Cap suffered from jingoism which was concievably a risk, but even if it had, provided it was entertaining enough (which it was) it would probably still have made good money overseas - look at how Independence Day did, and that movie couldn't be more offensively "patriotic" if it tried.

 

[Lt. Vinciti]

Meh theres no "AMURCA FUCK YEAH" in the film, its proletysing is more about being a good person in general.

This.

Captain America was made in the time (and set in the time) where America being a badass was needed and not just the modern day of teabag everyone

 

[Something Amyss]

Meh theres no "AMURCA FUCK YEAH" in the film, its proletysing is more about being a good person in general.

And Cap in the comics has generally not been a nationalistic dick.

It's kinda funny that way, since his costume IS the freaking flag and stuff.

 

[Stalydan]

Oh, Green Lantern. I think you may have single-handedly ruined Ryan Reynolds career. And for that, we thank you.

Speak for yourself, he's a good actor, Waiting and Buried? Hell, he was even decent in Blade and Wolverine even though those movies sucked. He has the tendency to be in bad movies, not being a bad actor.

I agree with that greatly. I think that he'll probably shine in the Deadpool movie. And to a lesser extent, I think that I count Robert Pattinson in that "In a lot of bad movies but not a bad actor". I really thought he was quite good in Harry Potter but he's been in some terrible films afterwards. Twilight (Twishite, Sparkles the Vampire) is awfully directed and scripted. Give the best actor in the world the worst movie to work with, he might polish the turd but it's still a turd. Try as he might, I don't think that he'd be able to give a decent performance with half of those lines and then being asked to look deadpan whilst doing it.

I know a lot of people hate him but I wouldn't like to see an actor's career fail because their agent is bad a choosing films or somebody can't script.

 

[Something Amyss]

I'm not interested in the film because I don't like abstract extremes. No one is 100% good to the core, just like no one is 100% evil. He's not a rich character. Just a personification of justice or whatever.

Doesn't interest me atall.

I like my heroes slightly unhinged.

I'm not sure Cap is supposed to be 100% good in this movie. I'm pretty sure he hasn't been presented as such.

Can't help you with unhinged, though. Maybe in Captain America 3, the Super Soldier serum can cause him to comb his hair forward in an emo fringe and tango.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Well who wouldn't like a guy who has knocked out Hitler over 200 times?

 

[Sparrow]

You guys were nice enough to put in an English sidekick, of course we watched it!

 

[deckai]

I think you may have single-handedly ruined Ryan Reynolds career. And for that, we thank you.

What?

Reynolds is a fantastic actor. If you disagree you haven't seen Buried.

He's just wrong for Green Latern, but perfect for Deadpool.

I don't know, I don't have enough knowledge of comics, to discuss his deadpool performance, but I just can't see him in any semi-serious role.... I like him as an actor, but my impression is, that he reached his peak with party animals.

"We are very pleased with Captain America's international results so far, which clearly demonstrate the worldwide popularity of the iconic lead character as well as the continuing power of 3D at the box office," said Paramount Pictures International president Andrew Cripps.

sigh, /facepalm. I think this just smacks of desperation given that 3D is becoming less and less popular. Why are studios so intent on pushing it? 3D is trash.

The thing is, with the additional 3-D fee, the studio is able to make more money out of the movie. The movie may not be more popular trough 3-D, but the studios gain more trough it, if the sales reach a certain number. There is a reason why there are so many movies this year that reach the one billion mark (beside the inflation).

As for Captain America, I don't get the praise for the movie, I thought it was pretty average/boring. Maybe it's because I'm not American and the whole theme of the movie seemed to push these American values that Captain America is suppose to portray.

I need to wait another week, till I can see it, the only thing I can talk about, is the trailer... and it looks decent enough to watch it (at least as non-3-d version)

Also just because a lot of people went to see it doesn't meant hey didn't hate it. I saw it opening weekend because I enjoy superhero movies. But I found it inferior to Thor and certainly inferior to First Class.

As mentioned before, that what counts are the box-office results.

 

[ramboondiea]

i am tempted to watch this, just because i enjoyed the other marvel movies