Thief Producer: Immersion Is "Amazing" On PlayStation 4
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WellIguesswe'lljustseehowitturnsoutwhenit'sreleasednowwon'twe?
I've only played Thief 3, and had a blast (in the missions) stealing things from the mooks who didn't get hit with the blackjack. When I got to the Cradle, I was more immersed than the source code and that game didn't have all these fancy features. I wish the devs the best of luck with "integrating body features," but if I wanted to immerse myself in something, it would be a pool of cherry-filled truffles.
I've only played Thief 3, and had a blast (in the missions) stealing things from the mooks who didn't get hit with the blackjack. When I got to the Cradle, I was more immersed than the source code and that game didn't have all these fancy features. I wish the devs the best of luck with "integrating body features," but if I wanted to immerse myself in something, it would be a pool of cherry-filled truffles.
Always good to see yet another word devolve into meaningless marketing speak. My vote is on "Engrossment" as the replacement for the old "Immersion" for now, but I don't think it has as much of a ring to it, so I could easily be swayed.
As for Thief, so far it looks to me like a crappier version of the old games but with better graphics. I hope that I'll be proven wrong, but I doubt it. It's exactly what happened to Hitman: Absolution after all, and that's another Square Enix published game.
As for Thief, so far it looks to me like a crappier version of the old games but with better graphics. I hope that I'll be proven wrong, but I doubt it. It's exactly what happened to Hitman: Absolution after all, and that's another Square Enix published game.
If it's so damn immersive, then why can't you see your body when you look down? Also, why the fuck is there a minimap and gaudily highlighted objects if immersion is such a big deal? Immersion is not necessary to the game; stop trying to sell me your tech demo and give me a (Thief) game I want.
You know what else is "immersive?" Sticking your head in a toilet bowl. Immersive is a subjective term. To me, a game is immersive if I find myself losing track of time playing it.
So should I leave a bag of flaming dog poo on his porch now, or wait for Thief 4 to come out, stuff it into a paper bag, light it on fire and leave that on his porch instead? Because, in all honesty, I feel like they killed Thief, stuffed it with a bunch of useless shit, and then made it the centerpiece of a craptastic thanksgiving dinner.
Again with these PR marketing words such as "amazing","immersion" and "accessible" to sell consoles.
No, it won't be "amazing" on PS4, it's going to be good on PC if you make it a good port, -if- they don't screw it up too much that is.
Don't think it will go well in terms of sales if you disappoint the Thief fanbase (which majority have played the previous games on PC).
No, it won't be "amazing" on PS4, it's going to be good on PC if you make it a good port, -if- they don't screw it up too much that is.
Don't think it will go well in terms of sales if you disappoint the Thief fanbase (which majority have played the previous games on PC).
I was just going to say that too. I don't think I've ever been quite as immersed in a game since '97 and Thief 1. You can't convince me that PS4 is more immersive than PS3 based on Thief 4 and its graphics if those bucket-headed guards (seriously, the polygons made their heads look like buckets back in that day) had me holding my breath in real life.SupahGamuh said:
I remember when people were worried about the new Deus Ex and it turned out to be fine. I think that Thief will be fine too and if you don't like it well just play the old games instead. I'm just tired of listening to people complaining about how immersion is a buzz word that people should stop using it because they think they don't know what they are talking about. I sure the game will be fun so can we please stop talking about this game as if it will destroy the game industry. We already did that with Deus Ex Human Revolution.
Immersion = Glued to the wall praying to gods you don't believe in that the guard doesn't spot you.
Immersion =/= Shiny graphics and not being able to jump.
Immersion has lost all meaning, like the word literally. Unless the PS4 has a holodeck function it's nothing but a cheap ass PC. Meaning that your high end PC gaming master race gaming rig is going to be several times more immersive. Because specs of the machine the game is played on factor so much into immersion.
Immersion =/= Shiny graphics and not being able to jump.
Immersion has lost all meaning, like the word literally. Unless the PS4 has a holodeck function it's nothing but a cheap ass PC. Meaning that your high end PC gaming master race gaming rig is going to be several times more immersive. Because specs of the machine the game is played on factor so much into immersion.
Hooray! So are the games (in general, not in this particular series) going to be fun? Because immersion is pretty pointless if you're not having fun or at the very least engaged on a narrative or mechanic level.
There's a good reason Garbage Truck Simulator 2011 isn't very popular.
There's a good reason Garbage Truck Simulator 2011 isn't very popular.
That pretty much sums it up. A good game will suck you in more than a game made to suck you in. Odd no? At it's core Thief has all the elements needed for a great game. They need to make it both challenging and fun (which can be hard) while keeping true to those things that made it such a smash hit. (which should be easy) None the less trying to make it more immersive (odd how spell check keeps highlighting that word) without trying to do the latter will result in something like Duke Nuke or any of the other pretty looking games that play like crap. I'd hate to see a bad release kill of an interesting franchise.ffs-dontcare said:
Immersion has nothing to do with the power behind the device. Silent Hill 3 is immersive and that was on the PS2. FarCry 1 is immersive and it's a 2004 PC release which in all honesty benefited more from it's guards and pitiful AI than it did it's environment.
In a stealth game, immersion doesn't have to rely on the power either. Thief 2 managed to be immersive and that looked awful and the controls weren't the best, back in 2000. How about trying to make a fun game with a good atmosphere without going "Hey guys check out the graphics and lighting engine increases!" Bungie did the same thing with Destiny which also annoyed me.
In a stealth game, immersion doesn't have to rely on the power either. Thief 2 managed to be immersive and that looked awful and the controls weren't the best, back in 2000. How about trying to make a fun game with a good atmosphere without going "Hey guys check out the graphics and lighting engine increases!" Bungie did the same thing with Destiny which also annoyed me.
I... yeah I get the feeling they keep tossing this phrase around like it's going to cause an epiphany, immersion is far too broad a description and is highly subjective.BabySinclair said:
...Hell I know people who get immersed in casual iphone games. That's immersion too. You're telling me that kind of thing was 'too complex for the PS3'? No it wasn't. But until they come up with a better description for the layman that isn't just 'this tech does lots of cool techy-game-y things that we wanted to do before but have not yet'... then I suppose it'll just keep getting abused as a buzzword.
He is spouting some amount of toss there.
So they're focusing on first-person perspective for the most part (unlike most other games that jump about disjointedly between first-, second- and third-person?), except for two undoubtedly very common aspects of gameplay? Astounding.
Jeez I know you're old-school but come on. All my books these days have at least two GPUs and motion controls. I've never been so immersed in books in my life. You should get with the program.Evil Smurf said:
