Things You Can't Prove, But Believe

[Grey Day for Elcia]

Only fools believe what they cannot prove. If you can't offer evidence, you've no reason to believe it.

Faith is the absence of thought, as they say.

 

[Fidelias]

I believe that there are aliens somewhere out there. I don't beleive anyone on Earth has ever made contact with them. But I do believe that with that many planets out there, and heck, space, there's at least one form of intelligent life out there besides us..

 

[Captain Pirate]

It is.

But the reason I am having this discussion with you is your first post:

Some form of God.
Now, before you all have a rant at me, I said 'some form of'. Not "The Christian God" or any other one, but some kind of creator.
I just find it immensely hard to believe that we, humans, who have advanced beyond our primal instincts so much that we barely resemble our fellow animals, happened by accident.
The world is too awesome for me to just think it was all random.

What you are essentially saying is: " I believe a God exists, because the whole planet is too incredible to come about without some God."

You are essentially saying this incredible planet is your "proof" of a God.

And I object to your saying that this is "proof" of a God.

If you had said: "I believe in some form of God, even if I have no proof.", I wouldn't have bothered you with my posts.

Fair enough, but I didn't mention it as I assumed it was a given, due to the title of the thread already saying "Things you can't prove, but believe."

 

[Kelethor]

I believe everything will work out. I know that doesn't sound particularly religious, but everything just tends to work out. maybe not for the best, but when I have "big problems" they tend to work out in a way that I can manage.

 

[DesertMummy]

mass effects[/B] people's behavior.

Oh my god! This explains so much!

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OT: No, not really. I believe in things that can be proven, directly or indirectly. That which cannot be proven should not be accepted or rejected as truth. Blind faith is the root of ignorance and stupidity.

I'm not trying to poke holes in your belief or appear condescending or anything, but I'm genuinely curious as to your belief on the existence of a god or god like being.

OT: I believe there is no god, even though it can't be proven scientifically, in my eyes it seem even remotely probable.

 

[Marik2]

That at one point Dragons existed. Nothing could span that many culture without having some for of origin

I've watched some documentaries on that, and it's most likely that dinosaur bones inspired people to think there are "dragons"

Very interesting stuff on how people back then tried to come up with explanations

 

[DoPo]

I'm not trying to poke holes in your belief or appear condescending or anything, but I'm genuinely curious as to your belief on the existence of a god or god like being.

I personally don't see why a deity cannot exist. There is no sufficient proof there isn't one. Then again, there isn't sufficient proof for the existence of one, either. So, call me agnostic, I guess.

 

[loa]

-Violent games don't make you violent. Seeing an action does not inform it.
This applies not only to violence, of course.
Again, hard to argue against for the lack of "proof".
Ain't no magic word out there explaining it all but you just know it's true. I hope.

Isn't the proof for violence in video games not effecting violence in real life the lack of evidence for the opposite thing?

I think so.

That's not really tangible as people can still pull the "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" bullshit if it just "makes sense" to them.
Somehow the lack of something is only second rate evidence anyway.
See: People getting convicted for owning lolicon stuff which nowadays suddenly almost equals child porn.
Another thing that "makes sense" to a lot of people. Same principle.

 

[thiosk]

This is an interesting thread. I'm a research scientist, and I perform or direct experiments in nanoscience and publish for a living.

I don't believe in dark matter. I feel that its the height of arrogance for a physicist to claim dominion over 96% of the universe. I draw a lot of parallels between the search for dark matter (IS IT BIG? IS IT LITTLE? IS IT IN THE 4th DIMENSION? WHO KNOWS!) and the historic search for phlogiston and the aether.

This does not make me a MONDonite, I do not have the math or physics background to work in this area. But I quietly feel that the more work is done, the more my viewpoint will be validated.

 

[Ashadowpie]

a believe in ghosts because of life experence, i swear i saw my grandma when i was 6, it wasnt scary, i remember it like a dream the thing is, i never knew what my grandma looked like and she died when i was born. So....i dunno :S

also i believe everything has a reason to exist, except Humans since we only apply negatively to everything on Earth. we're parasites to the planet

 

[platinawolf]

Things I believe in but can't prove? Gosh, that's a list ^^* From mundane things like true love, magic and luck to a little more strange things like Reality or the existence of others as independent entities. Yeah, I'm a tad nuts ^^* Nothing can be proven, in the end all we can do is play whatever part we are handed and see what happens. Sure, we can try to fight our "fate" but would that not be part of our fate as well?

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

That we are not all brains in jars connected up to the Matrix.

I can't prove that. But I sure as hell believe it. ...at least I sometimes believe it. I have my doubts.

 

[spartan231490]

Moon definitely effects the behavior of people, and animals for that matter. I have seen, and talked to people who have seen, way too much evidence of this to believe otherwise. And to get out there ahead of time, I've heard the confirmation bias theory, and it doesn't explain my observations, or those of my family. And other than religion, there isn't much else that I believe but can't prove. However, take like ghosts and bigfoot, and nessy, and pretty much everything out there like that: I don't believe they exist, but I think it's more likely that they do, then it is that they don't. Simply an extension of the believe that there is far more in the universe that we don't know, than there is that we know.

I don't think JFK was shot by a lone gunman. I've fired a bolt action rifle, they don't fire that accurately that quickly.

I believe in luck and unluck. My friend jon is perfect example of luck, i am perfect example of unluck.

 

[Alcamonic]

That parallel worlds exists, and that every thought we have is currently someone else's event.

So currently, another you is sleeping with that chick/guy you shyly like.

 

[Dryk]

I can't prove most of the things I learn at university, since I don't have hundreds of thousands of years to re-run every study and experiment ever done. But I trust the scientific method and understand its limitations

So +1 to that response

Well obviously.
But do those animals speak multiple languages, or have cars?
Do they do art, or science?
No, and that's my point. We're so different in other ways than genes and common behaviour.

A lot of birds speak quickly evolving languages that change regionally, and some species have been shown to display surprising levels of comprehension. A lot of the more intelligent species

We're not that different, we were just first. Most of your other points are using very anthropocentric criteria... of course other animals aren't as advanced as us in the areas that we are most advanced...

 

[keinechance]

It is.

But the reason I am having this discussion with you is your first post:

Some form of God.
Now, before you all have a rant at me, I said 'some form of'. Not "The Christian God" or any other one, but some kind of creator.
I just find it immensely hard to believe that we, humans, who have advanced beyond our primal instincts so much that we barely resemble our fellow animals, happened by accident.
The world is too awesome for me to just think it was all random.

What you are essentially saying is: " I believe a God exists, because the whole planet is too incredible to come about without some God."

You are essentially saying this incredible planet is your "proof" of a God.

And I object to your saying that this is "proof" of a God.

If you had said: "I believe in some form of God, even if I have no proof.", I wouldn't have bothered you with my posts.

Fair enough, but I didn't mention it as I assumed it was a given, due to the title of the thread already saying "Things you can't prove, but believe."

Alright, than I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Captain Pirate]

A lot of birds speak quickly evolving languages that change regionally, and some species have been shown to display surprising levels of comprehension. A lot of the more intelligent species

We're not that different, we were just first. Most of your other points are using very anthropocentric criteria... of course other animals aren't as advanced as us in the areas that we are most advanced...

Like I've already said, the entire planet's natural complexity and beauty makes me believe in some form of creator/god. I just used humans as a primary example.

Alright, than I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.

No worries

 

[Eomega123]

That somewhere, off on some distant planet in a far off galaxy, are aliens every bit as advanced as us.

 

[Abedeus]

God exists. I know he's there but I cannot prove it. Doesnt mean I am wrong at all.

Actually if you say "God exists and that's a fact", you do have to have some kind of proof.

Also, which god? Zeus? Hera? Poseidon? Or one of the less popular ones?

I'm catholic so the only name we have for God is, ironically enough, God.

I also believe Jesus died for our sins. etc. But I do not take the bible word for word, I respect others and follow the phrase "Hate the sin, love the sinner" (Thanks for at least being respectful, I so much as say the word Jesus and I am harassed for believing because "lolz u belive in GoD")

I was being respectful? Wasn't trying to come off as such. Your views are illogical and make as much sense as believing in unicorns.

Also, evolution proved there was no Adam and Eve and entire Genesis story is invalid, therefore Jesus didn't die for the original sin. Nor for other sins, since we are still accountable for them (according to Christianity) and have to confess them and beg for being alive and so on.

The biggest mystery of modern times - Christians who know evolution is true and yet don't find it strange that although Adam and Eve are a metaphor, the original sin somehow isn't... Then again, you did pull the "I'm being oppressed for being Christian" card. You can use it when you are not the majority in most of the countries east of Russia. And west of Japan.

 

[Abedeus]

That parallel worlds exists, and that every thought we have is currently someone else's event.

So currently, another you is sleeping with that chick/guy you shyly like.

Math proved that. 10 dimension theory is commonly accepted.

There are even universes where laws of physics, while giving stability, are different. Some of them have different gravity values, some have different temperature of suns, or amount of subatomic particles in some elements. As long as the whole thing doesn't collapse right after it started, it exists.

Also, universes where dinosaurs exist, where humans have common ancestor not with the primates, but crocodiles or elephants, where you died last Tuesday in a meteor crash... now, how MANY of those parallel/alternative universes exist, that is a matter of debate - limited or unlimited.

http://www.youtube.com/user/10thdim?feature=g-all-c

This is an amazing presentation in several easy to understand videos.