Eh? I always thought that the moral of that story was that Dr Who is a rapist.OneCatch said:
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Yeah, I've heard of that before; that she really goes out of her way to depict the Jedi as blatantly hypocritical and needlessly jerkish just so her personal favourites can be justified in whatever it is they do. I guess she just really enjoyed her time in the TA....jademunky said:
I am a big fan of war themed metal music, i am not sure of anything else
Fill your life with Top Model and Robinson
Brighten up your life with classy and faeces and follow john
It is too heavy for the drone to be creative
So its now left and wasting your single life
Healthy, vegan, gossip magazines
We have a plan, and the solution becomes very fine
One last show for all of you to look at
A grand finale freighted with B-52
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Predator Project, urbanization, disposed music
Must be replaced by silent black burnt corpse
One last rain and then it is finished playing
At the fire's oceans will fry machine, forever fried
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Natriumalumninat, polished styrene, a bomber and petrol
Gasoline!
Natriumalumninat, polished styrene, a bomber and petrol
Gasoline!
A good recipe for doom
Which ensures that the tan is nice
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Brighten up your life with classy and faeces and follow john
It is too heavy for the drone to be creative
So its now left and wasting your single life
Healthy, vegan, gossip magazines
We have a plan, and the solution becomes very fine
One last show for all of you to look at
A grand finale freighted with B-52
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Predator Project, urbanization, disposed music
Must be replaced by silent black burnt corpse
One last rain and then it is finished playing
At the fire's oceans will fry machine, forever fried
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Natriumalumninat, polished styrene, a bomber and petrol
Gasoline!
Natriumalumninat, polished styrene, a bomber and petrol
Gasoline!
A good recipe for doom
Which ensures that the tan is nice
Let napalm rain down
Burn down all over the world
Let it rain down
All the best on your journey
Let napalm rain down
Look to the sky the time has come
Stand and be brave you body feels numb
Face the atrocity at what you have become
Twisting your mind it's only just begun
Fear of religion, war, insanity
This decision - die for my deity
Power to those who question destiny
Man destroys untamed animosity
Blood - the taste of death is sweet
Death - my victory is complete
Devour - your soul now we're as one
Mercy - in this world I give you none
I am the carrion lord
Bow to me and give my praise
Sacrifice the blood of a thousand souls
Only then your life I will save
You're my living warrior
My strength shall be my revenge
You shall have no remorse
As you slay for my right
To control the downfall of man
Fear of religion, war, insanity
This decision - die for my deity
Power to those who question destiny
Man destroys untamed animosity
Blood - the taste of death is sweet
Death - my victory is complete
Devour - your soul now we're as one
Mercy - in this world I give you none
Only the insane have the strength to prosper
And only those that prosper judge what is sane
Stand and be brave you body feels numb
Face the atrocity at what you have become
Twisting your mind it's only just begun
Fear of religion, war, insanity
This decision - die for my deity
Power to those who question destiny
Man destroys untamed animosity
Blood - the taste of death is sweet
Death - my victory is complete
Devour - your soul now we're as one
Mercy - in this world I give you none
I am the carrion lord
Bow to me and give my praise
Sacrifice the blood of a thousand souls
Only then your life I will save
You're my living warrior
My strength shall be my revenge
You shall have no remorse
As you slay for my right
To control the downfall of man
Fear of religion, war, insanity
This decision - die for my deity
Power to those who question destiny
Man destroys untamed animosity
Blood - the taste of death is sweet
Death - my victory is complete
Devour - your soul now we're as one
Mercy - in this world I give you none
Only the insane have the strength to prosper
And only those that prosper judge what is sane
No, they're certainly not, but I did specify old James Bond, first of all, and the lesbian thing is just kind of hinted at in the movie, but made very very clear in the book (I am of course talking about Pussy Galore/Goldfinger), so I am very much describing the books as well as the older movies. I'll happily excuse or ignore it - I love James Bond, but like you said, it's very "of its time", and I don't agree much with "that time".Batou667 said:
Bond smokes a lot more in the books than in the films!
The "evil homos" I got mostly from a movie (Diamonds are Forever, which also happens to be my sometimes favourite James Bond film!), but the whistling thing I don't remember except second hand from a professor, and QI.
QI clip, btw, because it's funny: http://youtu.be/Ane4F9o7KkY
Puff the Magic Dragon, live by the sea,
and he's not smoking a pipe on the shores of Hannaleeeeee...
Bad Boys 2, if he sounds foreign, he's a gangster.
KSP, because Kerbals are expendable as long as there's SCIENCE.
and he's not smoking a pipe on the shores of Hannaleeeeee...
Bad Boys 2, if he sounds foreign, he's a gangster.
KSP, because Kerbals are expendable as long as there's SCIENCE.
Still, a bunch of articles made a pretty decent point about that. Having the power to kill someone with your mind, or burn a hole in their head with eye lasers is not exactly the same as having a sexual interest or skin color that makes people uncomfortable. Being afraid of someone who can easily kill you on a whim is far more logical than being afraid of someone who's simply of a different race.Majinash said:
People argue about gun control in the US all the time. Suppose the government decided to disband the police force (police are often helpless against mutants), randomly arm half the populace and forbid the rest of them to carry anything. That kind of world is a world with mutants. No one regulates who gets powers, and these powers randomly go to any Joe, Jim, Sally or Suzy in the world, regardless of their values, temperament or mental stability.
Sure, there are tons of mutants who use their powers responsibly, but you can't trust them all to be that way with their powers, and the wrong mutant in the wrong place could lead to a bloodbath.
I think NZT was suppose to do more than just give you hyperintelligence? It quite clearly makes people who take it arrogant assholes (quite honestly that sounds like a pop at coke). At the start Eddie's a poor author, but after taking NZT he's entirely self obsessed and ridiculously driven by power and money. The woman (I forgot her name) used a kid to fend off someone chasing her when she was on NZT, but regretted it afterwards. Eddie's actions aren't exactly shown in a good light either, so it's not really being advocated.OneCatch said:
I thought the message was more 'drugs are pretty bad, mkay' and 'Capitalism (and politics) is full of bellends'.
OK, I have to ask, when you call Political Correctness a 'minority sect' that's destroying UK society, what exactly do you mean? Do you think that Left Wing people are trying to take over the world, New World Order style, through acceptance of homosexuals and other minorities? What exactly have we done to destroy UK society? I'm genuinely curious.Res Plus said:
OP: I quite enjoyed Lily Allen's song Hard Out There, which whilst it had a message of advancing women's place in society, the music video featured some pretty objectified POC women.
Umm, they don't think they're helping him. They're the mental equivalent of hackers or bank robbers, they're implanting an idea for him to break up his company on behalf of a competitor. The entire film is a bank heist.OneCatch said:
I'm sure you already know this but Starship Troopers is speculative fiction, it's a what-if story about democracy being extended only to servicemen.OneCatch said:
It may well be questionable to some people but those people would have completely missed the point of speculative fiction.
The Guardian, particularly the comment section, is guilty of frequently...well if we're being honest lying its' ass off. It's also guilty of calling for action on situation's it's completely misunderstood. Like do you remember that Clarkson thing where they were commenting on that strike and Clarkson suggested hanging the lot of them? Well that was seen as being hugely insensitive and right wing but was actually a joke on something else the Guardian tends to hate; the need to present an alternate opinion even when that alternate opinion is stupid.ABLb0y said:
Also remember the 'plebgate' thing where the Guardian basically set out to smear a conservative MP not based on facts but based on it being something they could imagine a conservative MP saying? Remember their apology? No me neither.
A lot of JRPGs have a similar messaging that if people were allowed to make their own choices rather than have some greater being make one for them, life would be a lot better.
An idea that many people share, but I'm not one of them.
Also, many times when you see a religious sect in a JRPG, especially one with governing power, there's always something wrong or crooked about it, and the entire religion turns out to be false or corrupt. Also a view many people have, but it's definitely something that I don't completely agree with.
An idea that many people share, but I'm not one of them.
Also, many times when you see a religious sect in a JRPG, especially one with governing power, there's always something wrong or crooked about it, and the entire religion turns out to be false or corrupt. Also a view many people have, but it's definitely something that I don't completely agree with.
The Daily Mail lies too... Does anyone else remember the time they posted a story about a 5 year old who hung himself because he was the only white boy in his school? Or the diary of a victim of a Muslim sex gang that was so obviously written by an adult it hurt?ForumSafari said:
Wasn't the plebgate scandal some policeman lying to them?
This is not a defence. Being only as bad as another bad person does not make you better. I'm broadly speaking centrist with my political beliefs but one of the less palatable things the Left does a lot is to assume lies or cover-ups are OK if they further 'the cause'.ABLb0y said:
It was but they reported it, and their comment section chewed it over, as if the man was already guilty and as if it proved some point about the Government. Of course, when it turned out that the 'typical Tory behaviour' never happened there wasn't anything like a retraction.ABLb0y said:
In fact the Guardian in general seems to have two major failings; their science/technology reporting is god-awful dreck and they have a tendency to assume guilt.
I never said it was a defence... I was saying that whilst the poster painted the Guardian as some sort of Anti-Christ that wants to watch Britain burn whilst the Daily Mail is just as bad.ForumSafari said:
Didn't every major news source report it? I remember getting bloody sick of it at the time...
I'm not sure if it's a message, as much as possible background racism, but I really really love Iznogoud.
It's one of my favourite comics ever, and I re-read all the ones I can (that have been translated to Finnish and English, and some of the French ones.) every once in a while.
And I'm not sure how upset I should be for the possible racist stuff.
For those who don't know, the comic takes place in the kind of 'Arabian nights' heavily fictionalized setting. It is mentioned it takes place mostly in Baghdad (I think they never mention it in the cartoon version), but it's such a mismash of time-periods, magic and modern things it's not really an actual real-life setting in the first place.
And the main character is a really horrible person (that's the joke), but it's not portrayed that he is horrible because of his ethnicity. (But there certainly are jokes about cutting off thieves' hans etc, which I just always took as a part of the fictionalized setting.)
And there are certainly racist caricatures (not surprising for a comic from the 60's) but nothing that horribly bothers me. (i.e. the Chinese characters are drawn yellow, but they still have their distinctive character-designs and the stereotypical jokes are mostly horrible puns.)
I'm of the opinion that you can like stuff that has problematic elements, but you shouldn't excuse them.
And I'm sort of uncertain if I'm excusing some problematic stuff more than I should because I love the comic so much.
And I've always felt the same way. It's been my favourite comic since I was a little kid, but even then I was sort of uncertain about some stuff.
It's one of my favourite comics ever, and I re-read all the ones I can (that have been translated to Finnish and English, and some of the French ones.) every once in a while.
And I'm not sure how upset I should be for the possible racist stuff.
For those who don't know, the comic takes place in the kind of 'Arabian nights' heavily fictionalized setting. It is mentioned it takes place mostly in Baghdad (I think they never mention it in the cartoon version), but it's such a mismash of time-periods, magic and modern things it's not really an actual real-life setting in the first place.
And the main character is a really horrible person (that's the joke), but it's not portrayed that he is horrible because of his ethnicity. (But there certainly are jokes about cutting off thieves' hans etc, which I just always took as a part of the fictionalized setting.)
And there are certainly racist caricatures (not surprising for a comic from the 60's) but nothing that horribly bothers me. (i.e. the Chinese characters are drawn yellow, but they still have their distinctive character-designs and the stereotypical jokes are mostly horrible puns.)
I'm of the opinion that you can like stuff that has problematic elements, but you shouldn't excuse them.
And I'm sort of uncertain if I'm excusing some problematic stuff more than I should because I love the comic so much.
And I've always felt the same way. It's been my favourite comic since I was a little kid, but even then I was sort of uncertain about some stuff.
Divergent. It's okay to excuse racism, as long as it might be true.
Basically, the city is split into 5 factions, each representing different values. Selflessness, bravery etc.
The main character's dad distrusts Erudite, a faction based around knowledge, because they want too much knowledge.
The books basically show Erudite being massive dicks to everyone, and the main character begins to agree with her dad's views.
I haven't read the final book so who knows where it goes from there.
Basically, the city is split into 5 factions, each representing different values. Selflessness, bravery etc.
The main character's dad distrusts Erudite, a faction based around knowledge, because they want too much knowledge.
The books basically show Erudite being massive dicks to everyone, and the main character begins to agree with her dad's views.
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That's what Erudite want from one of the factions, Abnegation, so to get it they enslave another faction with mind controlling drugs and kill everyone, because Erudite are Satan inc. apparently.
That's what Erudite want from one of the factions, Abnegation, so to get it they enslave another faction with mind controlling drugs and kill everyone, because Erudite are Satan inc. apparently.
Yeah, but they try *really* hard to show how much of a dick the father was to justify the heist, and then have shots lingering on Cillian Murphy's face to show the 'wonderful' catharsis and closure that it's given him. Even though he's presumably going to go insane in a year or two because of it. It's... jarring.ForumSafari said:
Science fiction is my favourite genre, and I read a lot - I understand the concept of speculative fiction!ForumSafari said:
That said, Heinlein is almost masturbatory in his portray of this militaristic society. I can't really think of one negative thing he says about it at any point. That isn't pure speculative fiction, that's pushing a view.
And it makes a tangible difference to a book. For example, if you read The Forever War by Haldeman you'll note that the basic idea is fairly similar: Militaristic/autocratic society at war with other intelligent species, in which soldiers are made exceptionally well-versed in combat and equipped with top-of-the-line personal equipment, where they are encouraged to go career, and where the main character distinguishes themselves and progresses through the military hierarchy. But they still manage to put across polar opposite views because of the weight with which the author treats different messages. [footnote]Intentionally in this case because Haldeman wrote The Forever War as a Vietnam-era riposte to Starship Troopers[/footnote].
Which is fine - many great authors do it, many great books feature it. For every History and Moral Philosophy class there's a zealand darwinist, or a justification from Mazer/Graff, or a moral eulogy from a bloke called Kurtz or Kurz or Conrad or Konrad, or some other monologue which expounds a particular virtue.
So I'm not calling Heinlein a fascist or anything so blunt. But Starship Troopers itself is still pushing a message which I don't agree with. Hence the mention here.
It's also a far less nuanced portrayal than Heinlein's other stuff - for example, Stranger in a Strange Land is basically a vehicle to externally assess various 'accepted norms' in human (mostly Western) society, but it belabours the reader rather less than Starship Troopers does (with the exception of the whole free-love thing Smith has going on towards the end, which is a bit preachy[footnote]although restrained compared to Heinlein's other work focusing on sexuality[/footnote].
This wasn't directed at me, but did any newspaper, left or right, apologise over Andrew Mitchell? And anyway, there were allegations made by a few police officers, it's not like the Guardian was responsible for inventing the words he apparently said.ForumSafari said:
CommentisFree is user generated. The Comment section contains opinion pieces, for which less editorial control is exerted, and less research/evidence generally expected. Most newspapers have something similar. For example, Peter Hitchins does spectacularly dishonest pieces in the equivalent section in the Express. Richard Littlejohn and Jain Moir do/did the same in the Mail.
Of course 'other media outlets being as bad' wouldn't excuse the Guardian, but it does make it rather odd for you to specifically pick it out. Especially when other outlets aren't just 'as bad' but are worse with regard to things like quantifiable instances of phone hacking.
It's also often pointed out that while both of them served in the US military, only one of them them actually fought in a war.OneCatch said: