This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.

[dietpeachsnapple]

2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

I'm gonna have to stop you there.

New Vegas was not like Fallout 3, yeah it used the same engine but that's about it. The story, characters, weapons, factions, quest structure, morality, location, writing, companions, DLC, message and lampoons were all completely different. [sub][sub]and better[/sub][/sub]
Not to mention a completely different devloper.

Not to mention a completely different approach to the FPS genre than samey WWII emulators.

 

[repeating integers]

" its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame."

The Transformers films are very successful.

Y'know, it's funny you should say that. I don't know anyone who genuinely likes the transformers films, or thinks they're actually very good - it seems popular to just watch them to either see the special effects, or just see how bad it is. CoD, meanwhile, has a whole load of staunch defenders among the same demographic.

So I don't think that analogy quite works as well as it first appears to.

 

[Arkitext]

Lot of people have missed the point. I for one hate CoD because it dominates discussions and doesn't warrant it.

It's the pointless celebrity of gaming, just the fact that this thread will have 52 pages is enough to make my blood boil.

 

[JamesStone]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

But what pisses me off is how BIASED those haters are

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

Well, in E3 i saw uncharted 3,assasin's creed revelations and spiderman edge of time. If no one told me i would say i was looking at their predessecors, yet only cod is bashed.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Infact if you go take a look in game that tried to change, you will see they piss of the fans and failed like prince of persia in 2008, fans were pissed so they made a warrior within clone after that.

Hell if you take a look a the past you will see many similat situations, eg doom 1 and 2 were practicly the same with one new weapon and a bunch of monsters, when they made doom 3, everyone was pissed it changed. Same thing with blood 2 or the tomb raider series, all tomb raider games till angel of darkness were the same, after that they change the game and took their chances and the fans hated id and went back to the last 5 "Recycled" tomb raider games.

Hell even stalker series are recycled, suprisingly people only bash cod about it like all those examples i pointed out do not exist.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand and its way too biased.

I don´t know were you´re living, but it must be in a colony in Mars, because most of the things you´re saying are lies. First, people WERE pissed about Fallout New Vegas (with no good reason in my opinion), and there are numerous forums about Revelations, many of them stating that it will be a piece of shit, at least compared with the previous. Right away, peo... Oh, I know one good reason for the misplaced critics to FNV - NOSTALGIA! As I was saying, people didn´t get pissed by Prince of Persia 2008 trying to think outside the box. They get pissed because it was shit, and the only thing slightly relatable with the Prince of Persia franchise is the name, ´cause the personality, powers, story etc. are from an alternative universe. And all my mencioned examples don´t come out year, after year, after year, with little to nothing altered save for the characters and scenarios (the story is basically the same - America rules, other countries sucks, We Are The CHAMPIONS BANG! BANG!)

And another thing, in your entire quote, you didn´t say once why cod shouldn´t be considered mindless, money-making only, repetitive wank, you just said why other franchises should be considered mindless, mony-making etc. etc. etc.

 

[NickCooley]

Because fuckwits... Oh I'm sorry I mean "intellectuals" will always want something to sneer at so they can feel better about themselves and no you're not allowed to be left alone to enjoy the game you have to be flamed for the apparently appalling crime of enjoying what millions of people around the world also enjoy.

The fact that it's popular also plays a role, deny it all you want but when Halo was the hot shit it was what people bashed and ragged on, now CoD is the big daddy Halo gets the occasional derision while CoD is the main target and when CoD gets dethroned that will be what they fix their sights on.

Then there's all the insults aimed at the players. In this thread alone we've been called drones, morons, idiots, arseholes etc. Apparently trash talking is a blight on all gaming but insulting a huge swathe of people is ok. And we're supposed to be the arseholes?!

Sometimes I think I need a new hobby, gaming is great but gamers make my brain bleed, I don't see why people enjoying things you don't is such a difficult concept to grasp for gamers, you don't see this in movie goers or book reading circles.

America rules, other countries sucks, We Are The CHAMPIONS BANG! BANG!

Riiight. That clearly explains why the villain of MW2 was an American general and the protagonists are two ex-SAS operatives and a Russian pilot? And why the Americans in CoD 4 screwed the pooch so badly that a nuke went off while the SAS fix everything from the shadows. If anything the majority Modern Warfare series has been singing the praises of British special forces.

 

[Macrobstar]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

But what pisses me off is how BIASED those haters are

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

Well, in E3 i saw uncharted 3,assasin's creed revelations and spiderman edge of time. If no one told me i would say i was looking at their predessecors, yet only cod is bashed.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Infact if you go take a look in game that tried to change, you will see they piss of the fans and failed like prince of persia in 2008, fans were pissed so they made a warrior within clone after that.

Hell if you take a look a the past you will see many similat situations, eg doom 1 and 2 were practicly the same with one new weapon and a bunch of monsters, when they made doom 3, everyone was pissed it changed. Same thing with blood 2 or the tomb raider series, all tomb raider games till angel of darkness were the same, after that they change the game and took their chances and the fans hated id and went back to the last 5 "Recycled" tomb raider games.

Hell even stalker series are recycled, suprisingly people only bash cod about it like all those examples i pointed out do not exist.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand and its way too biased.

I hate it because its a really poor game that i don't enjoy, you can't convince me otherwise

 

[JamesStone]

2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

I'm gonna have to stop you there.

New Vegas was not like Fallout 3, yeah it used the same engine but that's about it. The story, characters, weapons, factions, quest structure, morality, location, writing, companions, DLC, message and lampoons were all completely different. [sub][sub]and better[/sub][/sub]
Not to mention a completely different devloper.

Not to mention a completely different approach to the FPS genre than samey WWII emulators.

Finally, someone that has working brains and eyes (to see the actual changes)

 

[Macrobstar]

I had to stop reading the responses to this thread because they are filled with such idiocy I can't stomach it anymore.

As to the OPs question about COD hate, who the fuck knows? People like to hate on things. If you don't like something that is popular, that automatically puts you on the outside of a group. People don't like being on the outside. They resent those who have the shared experience. Maybe they secretly wonder if there is something wrong with them because they don't like something that so many other people have liked? I'm no psychologist, but I'm sure there are theories aplenty as to why people will hate something popular so vehemently.

As to some of the arguments I've read in the first ten or so responses, I feel compelled to address them:

CoD is just the same game over and over again

I don't know. I've played three of them now, and I would say the story lines are fairly unique and interesting. MW is part of a trilogy, so obviously those stories are building on each other. In the modern gaming world, it seems to me most sequels are pretty much the same game with a new story. Some people really like that. When you have solid gameplay, there really isn't much reason to mess with it. I'm not pissed because my books don't know have letters that dance on the page and sing me songs while I read. If it's about a new setting and story, I can't see the problem here. Innovation for innovation's sake is one of the more annoying things the gaming industry does imo.

It's not CoD, it's the douchey fans.

I know quite a few CoD fans who aren't assholes. I myself am one. I'm not an idiot, I'm not twelve, and I'm not "giving gamers a bad name" as one poster put it. I enjoy all types of games. I can certainly see the merit of something like CoD. After playing it, other shooter games do seem clunky by comparison. CoD has a very smooth and fluid system for an FPS. In fact, I've heard this generalization so much, I was reluctant to play CoD. I'm glad that a number of my friends suggested otherwise.

Is it for everybody? No, but neither is Mario, and that has a decidedly more favorable opinion of it in communities like these, even though they haven't really done anything different in the last few years either. Mario Sunshine was really the last interesting innovation they did with that series, and it was unpopular, so they went back to the old Mario 64 type game.

I'm just saying before you start labeling an entire community of gamers, you should probably talk to a few CoD players here on these forums. Many of them are quite willing to recognize the flaws in their favorite series. They just find your arguments for why the series sucks to be not particularly persuasive.

The company that makes it is greedy!

To me, this is one of the most baffling arguments. I personally know of no single game company that isn't profit motivated. They all want to make more money. Yes, they hire artists who really just enjoy making great games. But without the corporations like Activision, these artists wouldn't have a place to work. Let's just set aside the fact that they just announced a CoD con where all the proceeds go to charity. All gaming companies are greedy. They are all run by people and shareholders who want more money for less risk. These are not non-profit organizations. If you hate CoD for this, you really should be more consistent and hate all gaming companies.

I'm not going to argue that the working conditions of one place are better than another. In huge organizations like that, those kinds of things can change on a yearly basis. Your favorite company can easily be bought up by assholes and the whole structure can change. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking any of these companies are altruistic. I've yet to see a non-profit oriented gaming company. It's what they do.

I'm just sick and tired of seeing it! I want it gone!

A rational argument if I ever heard one. If the very existence of CoD bothers you this much, you may need some therapy. I'm serious. It sounds like an anxiety disorder.

It annoys me to no end that Stephanie Meyer sells as many books as she does while authors I love to read flounder in obscurity. However, I would never wish Twilight away. Millions of people love it. My pleasure is not more equal than theirs. Neither is yours. I know, you are the most important person to you. That doesn't make this particular sentiment any less selfish.

How about the fact that I don't enjoy it, yet people rave about it as the best game ever, that annoys me so I hate it

 

[G96 Saber]

Except there have only been 2 Dead Space games, there have been 7 COD's. Dead Space 2 had innovation, all COD has done is make small changes to its crap, out of date engine and put in different game modes. Whats even more of a disgrace to the gaming world is that the producers don't even make the gameplay realistic and immersive, or at the other end of the gaming spectrum, fun and unrealistic.

 

[HHammond]

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Every year another COD is released and it is the same as the year before and everyone buys it whilst great new titles with loads of potential and orginiality slip past unnoticed because COD4 + A few new guns is released. COD4 is a well crafted FPS but it is pretty generic with poor writing/story and little change from game to game except maps and a few reskinned guns.

As for your points on Fallout, I have two answers. Yes, people did complain about them being too similar but New Vegas was a very different game to Fallout 3 in content and atmosphere but the point is is that we're not having Fallout 3 being released every year with a few changes here and there. New Vegas was an entirely different world even if it was a bit too similar to Fallout 3.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Not to mention a completely different approach to the FPS genre than samey WWII emulators.

And of course there are the new gameplay additions such as iron sights, mods, actual unique weapon skins, campfires and survival, special VATS melee and unarmed attacks, special unarmed moves, traits and damage threshold.

 

[Et3rnalLegend64]

Snip for great justice

I believe we have a winner.

When CoD4 came out, it was groundbreaking. We customized multiple loadouts before the match so there was absolutely no running around to collect your favorite weapon before jumping into the fight. We could just switch after every death. We had perks that suited different playstyles. We had killstreaks to give substantial rewards to players that were benefiting their team. All of this created a fasted paced and exciting game. It seems that almost nobody remembers this anymore and we have a bunch of people saying the series was already crap from CoD4 or something.
Sure, some of the perks were a bit unbalanced (Martyrdom and Frag X3). That's why they needed time to refine the game. Things like Martyrdom and Second Chance became deathstreaks instead. They introduced more varied Killstreaks for the really ambitious players. They also introduced other abusable things like Scavenger/One Man Army with Danger Close and Claymores. A certain dual-wielded shotgun was absurdly powerful. Just give it more time. Come Black Ops, the most annoying thing is the RC-XD. And of course, people will always complain about the grenade launcher. Everything else is pretty damn smooth. I just wish my shotgun rounds wouldn't disappear after travelling 10 feet.

I do agree that it needs to disappear for a few years though. The game is still exciting, and I agree that they shouldn't significantly try to fix what isn't broken, but a new game every year just doesn't do it for me. I don't plan on getting MW3 at the moment. Black Ops is enough. Disappear, give us time to miss it or indulge in MW3 until we get sick of it, then come back how ever many years later with something MASSIVE. While you do that, I'll finally get to work on my Shin Megami Tensei games (and maybe pick up Devil Survivor once I get some income)

 

[Nobby]

I don't hate CoD, I just already own all the CoD I need. I have the 2 and 4 and blops. Also I'm one of those occasionally derided people who refuse to buy something that will work poorly on my system of choice. As I mostly play games on my PC and the latest CoD games have largely been steaming piles on that platform, I feel justified in saying I have no interest in buying a game that isn't going to provide me with an experience as enjoyable as the (Higher than normal) cost of the game.

 

[Chris Sandford]

most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. .

being popular does not mean being good.

Nazi's were incredibly popular in germany around 1939.
I could name numerous musical references, but thats all to taste.

 

[Gammaj4]

Personally, I don't hate COD.
I just don't care.
The Aesthetics and gameplay just don't appeal to me.
That's it.

 

[ender214]

It's probably because the CoD fan-base is characterized as bunch of 12-year-olds that scream about how the other team is using "hax" or "noobtubes" or "being a camper" and how they expect all other games to be like CoD. When TF2 went free-to-play I can't tell you how many noobs were complaining about there not being an assault rifle in the game.

 

[bloodychimp]

I don't think people are hating on COD per se. But rather the people who play it - especially those who are immature and spend their time screaming obscenities into their headsets whenever they get killed.

I think the COD franchise is getting pretty stale and all of it's games are nothing more than a re-hashing. But unfortunately, it's an annual re-hashing. As the saying goes, familiarity breeds contempt.

But with the advances in technology, I expect to see slightly better graphics each time or a better campaign mode or even DLC which should have been on the disc to start with to go along with it's slowly increasing price tag.

COD is poster boy, a yardstick or a mirror of the gaming industry. People aren't liking what they see. They see an overpriced flash-in-the-pan which was made in some Activision sponsored sweat-shop which not only isn't a particularly good game, but it's also riddled with cheats and glitchers.

While this could be said for any game which a hater doesn't like - COD will get the brunt of it because it's considered cool to hate that which is en vogue. Hate COD for being overpriced and bad value for money - but don't hate it because of who plays it. It's just pretentious.

A terrible community is a legitimate reason to not like a primarily online game.

Your first couple paragraphs are spot on though.

 

[CMcKenzie]

it sounds more like your being a fanboy over this game and you cant hold it in anymore...

It's like.. You read my mind.