This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.
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it's not necessarily the franchise, but the fucking fans.MacJack said:
they think their game is the second coming of christ and (sometimes) that there are no other games besides it.
and they have the GALL to say "HERP DERP! STORY IZ BETTER DAN ANYTHINGZ! EVEN DA MASS EFFECT AND FALLOUT! DERP!"
seriously? no. no no no no no no no. there's also the fact that its success has begun a trend of creative bankruptcy in the industry where EVERYONE is trying to make their game look or feel like this franchise. original games like Psychonauts, Dead Rising, Saints Row, Earth Defense Force, they all have a MASSIVELY hard time getting greenlit and even proposed at ALL thanks to the success of cash-in of duty. plus, it has no artistic merit and is making people think gaming is still just for kids (nothing about it that i have seen handles violence, conspiracies, or the horrors of war in a mature sense.... except COD4, which was the only really good one).
if we want the industry to move forward artistically and creatively, this menace needs to stop being either so successful, or just not exist at all
I'll stop you there, Call of Duty has a very arrogant player base, and saying its biased is like saying that the sky shouldn't be any shade of blue. Your mind is saying its biased because it wants to keep your deluison that the games are good, have you played Team Fortress 2 yet? No, how about Half Life? Still no, how about Counter Strike? Oh, you haven't, well then, we know what your issue is now, not being a avid gamer. These games are probably some of the best shooters BECAUSE they actually tweeked the mechanics after they were sequilized.MacJack said:
Now the main point I hate Call of Endless Repentance, the player base. As stated before, the player base is very much a arrogant player base [you may / may not be arrogant, but a large percent of the CoD base is.] Whenever they die, they believe its DAZ HAECKSERS! or YOUR A NOOB FACE BALLS, I'M DOING YOUR GIRLEFRIENXDZ! Its just 12 year olds yelling into mics about how much their shit and you good, but instead of saying that, their saying insults that a sixth grader would find pathetic, or saying that their SO LEZETSZEGTS DELJIANJ:NKLGNKLN BLALDKSN
EJI OPS! PRO XXO. See the issue here, your just wasting my time, your time, everyone thats been on this forums time with your complaint being invalid over how shitty your series has become by making this topic, or at least thats how I see it.
Yeah, those are pretty terrible games too. However, the latest CoD game is just yet another generic ultra-realistic modern day shooter. It DESERVES to be called out for how generic it is, I'm only surprised I don't see more of this.MacJack said:
And I'm going to stop YOU there. TF2 is an overall mediocre game (It better have tweaked the game it's a sequel to's mechanics. Valve you slimey, slimey dicks...), Half-life is overall pretty awful. Stupid narrative, mediocre gameplay. CS is out of date and irrelevant.Aprilgold said:
Why'd you bring up these games again?
Tell you what people are REALLY mad at: that is is as successful as it is while other greater or more interesting games are overlooked.MacJack said:
It's just taking so much money and time out of the population it pushed out other games that can never hope to break in and replicate the same "network effect" of CoD.
Though this is a good thing, as it forces developers to stop leaning on a lame multiplayer mode to prop up their game as pretty much anyone who wants to play an multiplayer (shooter) they'll play one of the CoD games.
I think this is a good thing as it is great single player games that we are in great lack off, it is way too hard to find really special single-player experiences this generation. Though it is clear there is far more money in multiplayer, 8 of the top 10 selling 360 games have a multiplayer mode as a key feature. And hugely profitable too with map-packs.
That's another thing: THREE Map-packs?!? For $15 each? That means to get the "whole" experience you need to fork out $105 dollars?!? That's extortion, it doesn't matter if you care about the maps or not, if just a few of your friends do you have to fork out to join them in playing.
But I just don't get the Network effect on CoD - apart from friend-chat - as COD has almost zero team-work, why do so many want to play with their friends if they don't interact with them in any meaningful way.
it is kind of an insult because although CoD is not bad, it's not good either. It is a really really REALLY safe game. Apart from a 'shot-n-shitty' single player, every CoD game after CoD4 has jsut been the same multiplayer mode with a lot of tweaks. In the good old days these would have been free or very-low-cost expansion packs, look at how much TF2 has changed over the same amount of time: FOR FREE! In fact the original game is now free.
...God, this thread so proves the OP's original point. I feel like I need to shower after catching a glimpse of a few of these posts.
Meanwile, in sane-land:
Meanwile, in sane-land:
On that basic, blanket level, yes it does. But on a specific level, I was saying that maybe comparing Bayformers to Call of Duty might not be the best comparison - I've seen a lot more people who genuinely like Call of Duty than I have who like Bayformers. Call me backward, but I don't think the general public is all that stupid.Woodsey said:
People hate CoD because its fun. It's an easy target. First, it's incredibly popular, and hey... everyone loves to hate popular things. Second, it's made by a publisher everyone just loves to hate (for good reason). Third, it's the absolute epitome of "rehashing" (I'm not saying that tons of developers and publishers aren't guilty of rehashing, as you pointed out, but CoD is the absolute text book example of it, and its other love-to-hate characteristics just make it all the more fun to point out). And to top things off, its fan base is typically perceived by standard gamers in a very negative light (not saying its true). It lets people have a "common enemy," so to speak.
Just let people hate the game; it doesn't hurt you. If you like the game, then you shouldn't let the opinion of other individuals have any say on your preferences. If you don't like CoD, then join in the hate-- it's fun. If you are indifferent, then just don't listen or read people hating on the game. It's that simple. The hate is just something people do for common ground and fun... don't read into it any further than that.
Just let people hate the game; it doesn't hurt you. If you like the game, then you shouldn't let the opinion of other individuals have any say on your preferences. If you don't like CoD, then join in the hate-- it's fun. If you are indifferent, then just don't listen or read people hating on the game. It's that simple. The hate is just something people do for common ground and fun... don't read into it any further than that.
that's because: you don't know what happened , you're not getting the point , the whole industry shifted to cosolization and cod clones, crysis 2 is a total cod clone.MacJack said:
Where were you when this was at it's peak , a week before MW2 release and half a year later, internet was having volcanic eruption, and you're saying "it's getting out of hand" --- what do you have to do about it ? it's not getting out of hand, it's the opinion of PEOPLE , and you're the one that doesn't understand about it, modernwarfail2.com was running for a year, a site dedicated to the failure of MW2 purely, laughing at those news and pics, while IW forums were filled with the same stuff.
Did you saw the whole clusterfuck with ATVI-IW litigation ... nope
May i ask where were you at the time when the internet was full if such images:http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1909891&postcount=60
Ofcourse cod is bashed, did you turn off the internet for a year ?
Call of duty is the whole cause of this crappy consolized industry, everyone's following suit and making the same crap like MW2 gameplay/style is.
Killzone 3 and Mass effect and their predecesors and ancestors have nothing to do with this industry wide issue, they weren't infuencing anything.
You have a lot of reading to do. Please, come on, rather visit the "new IW" at www.respawn.com for some great games.
In mean time , if you study the WHOLE THING WHAT HAPPENED , you'll see that MW2 was a coup d'etat puropsely as a "kick on the way out" , IW wanted to get fired, but they wanted royalties also, Activision and kotick , and their call of duty have now replaced EA as the evil empire in the industry.
MW3 ... i don't know what that means ? ... but i know what BF3 means, by the way
I can gather that you're probably a console gamer, there goes the credibility rank, prove me wrong.
Jersey Shore is watched by millions, is considered very popular and I believe is on their...fourth season now? While there are plenty of shows that are good that get canceled long before reaching that point.MacJack said:
Are you gonna really try and make the argument that popular automatically = good?
'cause I know a lot of folks here on the escapist who remember the jock and cheerleader crowd at their high school may disagree with you.
I'm not one of those guys who has the "It's popular, so it sucks" mentalities, but it just makes me sad when I hear the exact opposite, being "It's popular, so it must be good"
Stuff should be judged on it's own merits, not how many people watch/play it or how many copies of it sell on launch day. In that regard, Call of Duty isn't HORRIBLE, I admit I laugh when I see people try to use it as an insult, but it's hardly anything to light the world on fire.
In this day and age it's just more of a scapegoat than anything. It's like telling an old person to go listen to their records. There's nothing wrong with records, listening to them doesn't make you a bad person.
Same with Call of Duty.
OhJohnNo said:
I get that, but people don't sit through shit 3 times in a row if they don't get some passing enjoyment from it. I really don't think many people see it just because they feel they should. And you know, if Bay made games, his would be Call of Duty.
It seems like you don't remember the history of the Call of Duty Hate and why people now feel the way they do. I'll refresh your memory.
First thing that started to get people riled up was the removal of dedicated servers and going to a p2p online system. There are several reasons why it's more advantageous to use dedicated servers over p2p. For starters the lag was usually a lot worse. Also whoever is host has an advantage of a few seconds. This doesn't seem like much but in a fast paced game like MW2 where a few seconds can mean the difference between victory or defeat it's a significant edge. This pissed a lot of people off especially PC gamers. Taking away PC gamers servers is right near the top of the list of things they don't like. Right up there with drm and install limits. There's more to it than that but that's the gist of it.
Next was the fifteen dollar map packs. Before Modern Warfare 2 paying that much for just a map pack was unheard of.
Then there where the various glitches. For example the Javelin suicide bomber glitch.
Then there was the various balance issues. The whole thing with quick scoping and overpowered grenade launchers. The term noob tube started here. Now everyone uses it to refer to a grenade launcher in every game whether it's unbalanced or not.
And finally Activisions's business practices angered a lot of people. Namely the whole gutting and firing the two heads of Infinity Ward. Bobby Kotick the CEO was also making a lot f very unpopular and pretty stupid remarks around that time. It's seems like he's finally started to keep his big yap shut because I haven't heard much out of him in awhile.
But what really irks people is despite the fact that Modern Warfare 2 had all of those issues it along with Black Ops still sold millions upon millions of copies. It basically rewarded the companies for their poor game design.
And so that's pretty much where the whole Call of Duty hate comes from. Is it justified? I don't know, but if people don't call game companies out on their poor design decisions they will make no effort whatsoever to improve them.
First thing that started to get people riled up was the removal of dedicated servers and going to a p2p online system. There are several reasons why it's more advantageous to use dedicated servers over p2p. For starters the lag was usually a lot worse. Also whoever is host has an advantage of a few seconds. This doesn't seem like much but in a fast paced game like MW2 where a few seconds can mean the difference between victory or defeat it's a significant edge. This pissed a lot of people off especially PC gamers. Taking away PC gamers servers is right near the top of the list of things they don't like. Right up there with drm and install limits. There's more to it than that but that's the gist of it.
Next was the fifteen dollar map packs. Before Modern Warfare 2 paying that much for just a map pack was unheard of.
Then there where the various glitches. For example the Javelin suicide bomber glitch.
Then there was the various balance issues. The whole thing with quick scoping and overpowered grenade launchers. The term noob tube started here. Now everyone uses it to refer to a grenade launcher in every game whether it's unbalanced or not.
And finally Activisions's business practices angered a lot of people. Namely the whole gutting and firing the two heads of Infinity Ward. Bobby Kotick the CEO was also making a lot f very unpopular and pretty stupid remarks around that time. It's seems like he's finally started to keep his big yap shut because I haven't heard much out of him in awhile.
But what really irks people is despite the fact that Modern Warfare 2 had all of those issues it along with Black Ops still sold millions upon millions of copies. It basically rewarded the companies for their poor game design.
And so that's pretty much where the whole Call of Duty hate comes from. Is it justified? I don't know, but if people don't call game companies out on their poor design decisions they will make no effort whatsoever to improve them.
Haha, not really, no. Coming from CoD to Battlefield, my reaction was "holy sh*t, this is so much better in every possible way!" and my reaction coming from Battlefield to TF2 was very similar. I do think Battlefield's a bit better from the whole "sim" perspective so there's some debate between those too, but it's pretty obvious in my mind that TF2 is much better than CoD.Chibz said:
CALL OF DUTY is being used for MW2 , don't you get it, freaking internet. That's because people are to lazy to write proper names, it's not the FRANCHISE, it's merely .. about 2 GAMES that are being hated. MW2 and CODBO
We aren't talking about COD4 COD2 or COD1 , we're talking about modern warfare, the crappy lame ass mindless spray shootings for noobs and dicks, with noob tubes and IWnet, not balanced for lean and host migration please wait 20 seconds, this is WHAT "CALL OF DUTY" is being reffered to. The CONSOLIZATION, which gained 20 MILLION in sales, and others FOLLOW SUIT to make their GREAT franchises DUMBED DOWN IN "CALL OF DUTY" STYLE like for example an EPIC FAILURE called Crysis 2.
Crysis 2 is one of the biggest disappoints of the year. this is JUST ONE example of the "call of duty" clones that are out there.
Same goes for DUKE NUKEM FOREVER , 2-weapon limit and regenerating health >>> SUCKS.
Come on peope open the eyes.
We aren't talking about COD4 COD2 or COD1 , we're talking about modern warfare, the crappy lame ass mindless spray shootings for noobs and dicks, with noob tubes and IWnet, not balanced for lean and host migration please wait 20 seconds, this is WHAT "CALL OF DUTY" is being reffered to. The CONSOLIZATION, which gained 20 MILLION in sales, and others FOLLOW SUIT to make their GREAT franchises DUMBED DOWN IN "CALL OF DUTY" STYLE like for example an EPIC FAILURE called Crysis 2.
Crysis 2 is one of the biggest disappoints of the year. this is JUST ONE example of the "call of duty" clones that are out there.
Same goes for DUKE NUKEM FOREVER , 2-weapon limit and regenerating health >>> SUCKS.
Come on peope open the eyes.
To some up my posts, cod has haters because opinions are a thing
The same reason every game has haters
The same reason every game has haters
No that was after Dragon Age 2 was released. Before that it was one of the most beloved games on the Escapist filled with fun internet memes and responsible for several thought provoking threads on it. Bioware was also the most admired devloper on the site. After Dragon 2 people were pissed and started taking there anger out on everything Bioware related including Mass Effect 2. Thankfully people seem to have gotten over it.Nfritzappa said:
Remember you could fight like a Krogan run like a leopard but you'll never be better than Commander Shepard.