This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.

[MacJack]

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You make a very good argument, well done.

While most other franchises certainly offer more of the same, they usually have enough difference to mark it as a satisfactory continuation of the series. But the strange thing is, you CAN have better graphics on a current gen console.

Juxtapose the graphics between CoD 4 and Black Ops - there is a slight difference. BLOPs has a slight improvement in graphics quality, but it's several years newer than CoD 4.

To be honest i dont think cod has any more/less than those games. Depends on what features you think are imporant or enough to be satisfactory. Also in the last 2 years, i dont see any improvment on graphics, i think consoles have reached their capabilities.

First of all yes, I'm quite sure. I was a large fan of the series. Second, you just defended the fan approval of the series, by means of it's number of sequels. By that logic, no one here complaining about COD repetitiveness is a fan, because it has a bunch of sequels.

Ill put it this way, i loved half life but i hated half life 2, for me its what doom 3 is to doom 1 and 2, an unwecome change or what blood 2 is to blood 1.

However half life fans actually enjoyed it to a point that is considered better and more sucessfull than the first game. While i dissagree, i dont make it a fact and just because i said it, it doesnt mean the rest of hl fans feel that way. Same thing with tomb raider series.

 

[Gokuofuin]

Another comment: Anyone that says they truly "hate" a game is an idiot. Sure, you can dislike it. It doesn't have to be your 'cup of tea'. You can not want to deal with annoying players, and say that a majority of them are pains in the ass. But saying you actually HATE it? Now that just seems silly.

I agree, you make a good point stating that no one can actually HATE a game, you can only dislike it. At most you mite not want to hear about it, but hating it is a bit to strong of a word.

 

[Vibhor]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

Stop crying. People have more than enough reason to hate Call of duty already(Takes away all the sales from deserving games, publishers force devs to make games like call of duty, shows that lack of innovation is rampant in the industry)

But what pisses me off is how BIASED those haters are

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

Well, in E3 i saw uncharted 3,assasin's creed revelations and spiderman edge of time. If no one told me i would say i was looking at their predessecors, yet only cod is bashed.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

MW3 is rehashed. In fact it would be a rehash with shittier graphics and surprisingly, it would make a few more million sales than black ops.

Dead Space 2 added multiplayer and a new and GOOD story. The campaign was much much better than the previous one's. Fallout new vegas was a master piece in terms of writing (it was shit in the previous one). The game actually improved upon the faults of Fallout 3. And quite weirdly both games were also criticized by the critics for being too similar to predecessor whereas no call of duty game has ever been criticized for being more of the same thus making your point useless.

Infact if you go take a look in game that tried to change, you will see they piss of the fans and failed like prince of persia in 2008, fans were pissed so they made a warrior within clone after that.

People hated it because it was too easy not because anything was changed.

Hell if you take a look a the past you will see many similat situations, eg doom 1 and 2 were practicly the same with one new weapon and a bunch of monsters, when they made doom 3, everyone was pissed it changed.

Doom 3 didn't change a god damn thing. The main problem of the game was that it was dark and the story was shit. Both of which existed in the previous dooms

Hell even stalker series are recycled, suprisingly people only bash cod about it like all those examples i pointed out do not exist.

How many games have been in the stalker series? 3?
And I don't know what are you talking about. The first stalker was a base with everything laid out. Clear sky added faction wars and Call of pripyat removed faction wars but made the game much more polished and majorly refined.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

You know how stupid this paragraph sounds?
Let me tell you. BF3 is basically BF2 with better graphics and destruction and planes whereas COD BLOPS was just MW2 with shittier graphics and buggier gameplay. Which one would you choose?

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand and its way too biased.

Maybe you should have given thought before actually posting this thing.

 

[Griffolion]

its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

I love the smell of ad hominem in the morning. It is actually morning here too.

OT: I don't hate CoD, I just think it's an overly popular, highly overrated game who's only success rides off it's record breaking sales. Said sales speak about the type of people buying the game as much as the game itself. Other than that, CoD hasn't been good since the original Modern Warfare, everything else has been a simple re-hash of the same old things with different names, faces and times slapped on. No hate in there, just opinion, albeit negative. That said, my main problem is with the players as much as it is with the actual game.

I've played CoD, both single player and multi player, it get's very stale, very soon. There's no real tactics or logic in there, it's simply who can ADS before who. I prefer slower, more strategic shooters like the Battlefield franchise, because it suits me better. The Battlefield single player 'attempts' at story lines are terrible, but it's all about the multi player with BF anyway.

So yeah, no hate with me, but I dislike the CoD franchise as it doesn't suit me as a shooter.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Apart from:

The fact that BF3 includes a game engine so sophisticated that it's incomplete due to current high end hardware not even being able to support it.

By destruction you mean not pre-animated sequences and set pieces but actual real-time physics driven destruction that is different every time it happens.

The fact that weapons and load-out are massively customisable compared to BF2 and even BC2.

A new approach to squad based play.

A greater amount of game types to suit all kinds of player.

By better graphics you mean as good graphics an FPS has ever been.

The fact that vehicles, including jets, actually exist.


I could go on but my wrist is hurting. Like I said before, Battlefield tickles my fancy orders of magnitude over Call of Duty. That's just me.

PS: This meme pretty much sums up my CoD thoughts.

 

[MacJack]

Now make no mistake people. I'm not trying to defend the game series. I just want to take the opportunity to quash these ridiculous arguments that I keep seeing pop up everywhere.

OT: I actually thought the CoD hate was slowly dying down. It's much less sporadic then usual.

But I do have to say, Modern Warfare 3 looks exactly the same as MW2. I don't think the game was being taken as seriously this time around.

What you said exactly, those arguments are so biased that pisses me off and as i said most games are and improved template that pass as a sequel nowadays.

Are you honestly using Doom 2 as an example of other games being re-hashed? It's Doom-fucking-2! You couldn't update it that much, you couldn't jump, have layered floors and ceilings, nor could you look up or down. Why not go the whole hog and say that the original MegaMan series was also a bane of gaming's existence...

CoD is a franchise that despite the tools and frankly stoooooopid amount of money that they have earned from releasing the highest-grossing game ever and THEN breaking their own record the year after: the games are re-hashed, multiplayer-based, have stupidly short and frankly fucking stupid campaigns (after CoD 4) and there is absolutely no fucking excuse for it.

Defending CoD is a losing battle, the proof is in the pudding. CoD is a franchise full of potential but filled far more with boring stodgy constant-gunfire-from-all-directions-tedium that was ripped out from last year's game, and the fact that it's so successful is doing wonders to the downfall of gaming and our culture.

Actually i picked doom 2 to show that it was done in the past and on pc gaming as well. But if you dont like that, then pick the stalker games, for a pc game SOC made a lot of money and its sequels were actual "recycled" more than cod.

I wouldnt give up on cod yet, like i said you cant do much on consoles and hold 60fps, in the next gen it will look nothing like it does now. Yes because cod wont die,EVER!!

Infact with its sales it will be considered a fail if it sold only 5 millions

 

[DarksideFlame]

Thanks to MW2 people in my class who had never touched a videogame console or played games on a PC and considered it a hobby for fat and socially retarded nerds (and there was a lot of people who thought of gamers like that before MW2 came out) had started to play it a lot and talk about it in school and asked me if I played CoD which I can't blame them for thinking that I did as I have played videogames since I was 6 years old, they were really surprised when I told them that I didn't play MW2.

A friend of mine who wasn't at all fond of games had also been taken in by CoD and told me that he had got himself a PS3 and both MW games and convinced me to try them I tried the MW1 and it was pretty good so later I got Black Ops because it was so incredibly overhyped and pretty much everyone had pre-ordered it so I decided to jump on the CoD love-train, While most of the people in my class got it for their consoles I was a firm believer that FPS games should be played on the PC which I still believe (Exception from that rule is Metroid Prime) and I tried the Black Ops single player campaign
I'll admit that it was not as good as MW1 campaign but it wasn't bad either it is average game though not in my opinion Black Ops is not a bad game I don't consider it money well spent as I'd rather used them to something else

The main problem with CoD is the MP, though i don't believe that the games fault rather the players who unstoppably yells at the other players with their cheap mics, but contrary to popular beliefs these kind of people were not a majority on most of the servers I played on and in any game with a MP or communities you'll find assholes there, this breed of gamers are not exclusive to the CoD or Halo series like some, NOT everyone seem to believe

 

[snow]

I love threads like these. They're so amusing. "Okay it's time to stop picking on *insert thing here*" threads always turn into "Flame that thing to death!!!" Threads.

Protip OP? Don't give a damn what others think of the game, if you personally like the game, then there should be no problem. Haters are going to hate. What harm are they doing you for hating something you just happen to like? None what so ever. There's absolutely no need to be sensitive towards harsh words spoken about what you choose to spend your free time on, because at the end of the day, you're still going to spend your free time on that regardless of what people say about it. So just ignore them, and continue doing what you enjoy to do.

There's always, always, ALWAYS going to be some one out there that doesn't like something you like, or not even like you as a person for one reason or another. We all can't like everything, and some of us don't like something for a completely stupid reason, it's just how it is. If it bothers you, don't read it. "Go play CoD?" Retaliate with, "Only after you stop hogging the computer with your Hello Kitty Online Adventure raids." Harmless insults, throw it right back at them. If they say something "Pff Hello Kitty Online doesn't have raids you moron." Then respond with. "Oh so you're admitting you play?" Really amusing stuff there.

Haters gonna hate! And Totalbiscuit said it best when he said. "I love haters! They're wonderful people... Especially MY haters... Why? Because they don't seem to want to shut up about the things they hate! Sure you'll get lucky and a fan will say something about you, but a hater! A HATER upon hearing your name will go OOOON and OOOON about you! Free publicity!"

 

[Dekkaz]

IMO it's hyped jingoistic malarkey.

Cod players are also generally annoying, stupid people.

Also, that game is a capitalistic giant for some unknown reason. High sales =/= good game.

Hitman:BO kills cod any day.

 

[sephiroth1991]

Well...in my opinion the game is poor in quality and content for a game that most often cost about £10 more than other games. The argument that the campaign is too short and anything longer is better doesn't sit well with me, since Farcry was a long game but I didn't like it, however I do feel after reaching the end of CODs campaign I haven't been giving enough content to be satisfied and games even shorter I felt I got my moneys worth and was satisfied(Portal). To say the hate towards it is unjust is like saying the hate towards Twilight or Justin Bieber is unjust, they all popular to there fanbase and make lots of money, but that's not equal to quality. I think what dissapoints me about COD is the reluctance I get from people who play it to not try other games, for example I have a friend who only plays COD on his PS3, I'm not lying its the only game he owns and he considers himself really into Video games. I will say this some hate for the game is over the top but so is the Love for the game, when in the end its just mediocre video game that happens to be popular.

Oh and I'm pritty sure most people who play it largely ignore the Single player, which means in the end they spending £45 on a arcade addition to the game.

 

[Srs bzns]

COD is Justin Bieber of the video game world

Nonononono. NOTHING is that bad, unless the next COD game is based in the backstage of a shitty pop concert.

 

[MacJack]

its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

I love the smell of ad hominem in the morning. It is actually morning here too.

OT: I don't hate CoD, I just think it's an overly popular, highly overrated game who's only success rides off it's record breaking sales. Said sales speak about the type of people buying the game as much as the game itself. Other than that, CoD hasn't been good since the original Modern Warfare, everything else has been a simple re-hash of the same old things with different names, faces and times slapped on. No hate in there, just opinion, albeit negative. That said, my main problem is with the players as much as it is with the actual game.

I've played CoD, both single player and multi player, it get's very stale, very soon. There's no real tactics or logic in there, it's simply who can ADS before who. I prefer slower, more strategic shooters like the Battlefield franchise, because it suits me better. The Battlefield single player 'attempts' at story lines are terrible, but it's all about the multi player with BF anyway.

So yeah, no hate with me, but I dislike the CoD franchise as it doesn't suit me as a shooter.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Apart from:

The fact that BF3 includes a game engine so sophisticated that it's incomplete due to current high end hardware not even being able to support it.

By destruction you mean not pre-animated sequences and set pieces but actual real-time physics driven destruction that is different every time it happens.

The fact that weapons and load-out are massively customisable compared to BF2 and even BC2.

A new approach to squad based play.

A greater amount of game types to suit all kinds of player.

By better graphics you mean as good graphics an FPS has ever been.

The fact that vehicles, including jets, actually exist.


I could go on but my wrist is hurting. Like I said before, Battlefield tickles my fancy orders of magnitude over Call of Duty. That's just me.

Cant say that the things you pointed out are making a a point. You say cod doesnt suit you as a shooter, i could say bf doesnt because of the vehicles and the team based gameplay. Also glad they adding TDM to pull cod players in the game. The weapon customization is nowhere near as big as black ops, just because you can put all the attachments does not mean its, big, black ops had camos and even reticles for the sights.

As for the engine? Only on pc, dont deny it, you said that "includes a game engine so sophisticated that it's incomplete due to current high end hardware not even being able to support it. "

Imagine how it would be on consoles? half those things wont even be available.

 

[The Cheezy One]

On thing that annoys me is people that say "You're harming the gaming community by buying a game with no real growth". Yes. I probably am. But you know what? I just want to shoot some guys in the head for a few hours. I'm just going to come out and say it - that kind of thinking is pretentious. The kind of thinking that disregards things that don't classify to them as important or artistic.

 

[MacJack]

IMO it's hyped jingoistic malarkey.

Cod players are also generally annoying, stupid people.

Also, that game is a capitalistic giant for some unknown reason. High sales =/= good game.

Hitman:BO kills cod any day.

Hitman is a diffirent game and you cant generalize 18 million people because most you played were douchebags, i mean, you dont even scratch the surface.

I love threads like these. They're so amusing. "Okay it's time to stop picking on *insert thing here*" threads always turn into "Flame that thing to death!!!" Threads.

Protip OP? Don't give a damn what others think of the game, if you personally like the game, then there should be no problem. Haters are going to hate. What harm are they doing you for hating something you just happen to like? None what so ever. There's absolutely no need to be sensitive towards harsh words spoken about what you choose to spend your free time on, because at the end of the day, you're still going to spend your free time on that regardless of what people say about it. So just ignore them, and continue doing what you enjoy to do.

There's always, always, ALWAYS going to be some one out there that doesn't like something you like, or not even like you as a person for one reason or another. We all can't like everything, and some of us don't like something for a completely stupid reason, it's just how it is. If it bothers you, don't read it. "Go play CoD?" Retaliate with, "Only after you stop hogging the computer with your Hello Kitty Online Adventure raids." Harmless insults, throw it right back at them. If they say something "Pff Hello Kitty Online doesn't have raids you moron." Then respond with. "Oh so you're admitting you play?" Really amusing stuff there.

Haters gonna hate! And Totalbiscuit said it best when he said. "I love haters! They're wonderful people... Especially MY haters... Why? Because they don't seem to want to shut up about the things they hate! Sure you'll get lucky and a fan will say something about you, but a hater! A HATER upon hearing your name will go OOOON and OOOON about you! Free publicity!"

I think ill take this post as advice and log out and not give a damn anymore.

 

[Sarge034]

I don't see why anyone should care.....

Those who like it should play it and thoes who don't should not.

BAM! /CoD hate
NEXT!!!!

PS

Spoiler: This is what has happened to CoD

 

[Vibhor]

Hitman is a diffirent game and you cant generalize 18 million people because most you played were douchebags, i mean, you dont even scratch the surface.

Whats different about hitman?
You can go in first person and kill everyone. I mean there are huge similarities.
I find your sentence hard to believe because YOU were the one that compared Stalker, prince of persia and dead space 2 to Call of duty.

 

[Dramerc]

I'm gonna stop you right there.

This is the new stupidest reason to hate Call of Duty.[quote="teebeeohh"


no my reason was a damn good one I spent 2 years at army cadets and i get threatened by COD nutters i just left high school and there i got bullied by COD fans for not playing COD so my reason to hate is good i got a Xbox 360 so i could play RDR i got attacked for that too every day they demanded me to get COD! so my reason to hate is well founded

 

[noble cookie]

The CoD games and the map packs for them are overpriced because the money hungry devs know that people will buy them regardless of how crap they are.

People hate Call of Duty because it doesn't deserve the amount of popularity that it has, because it overprices everything, the games are filled with bugs, and the campaigns suck.

 

[AVATAR_RAGE]

long post

Point 1: AC Brotherhood's improvement was the addition of a multiplayer feature. As for uncharted I can't really say much about it because I have not played it.

Point 2: Yes these games are fun now but unfortunately it won't last MW3 is going to be the 8th core game in the series. Their is only so much of a game you can improve before you can't improve any more or break the formula that makes the game great.

Point 3: I don't blame the game for it's current state I blame the fans. People are often too quick to complain about the slightest thing and the devs can't fix everything for everyone.

Point 4: Check out this group for we seek to promote good sportsmanship between gamers and could use new members http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/Generation-Game-GG

And finally Point 5: Was that a reach pun in your last paragraph

1)To be honest i thought the mp in AssBro (cool name eh?) dead space 2 and uncharted 2 have to be the most pointless feature you can use on a singleplayer based game, but i realize i am biased since its actually much bigger feature than what cod has added but as one of my friends said "Its easy to impress by adding something that in other games is there to begin with or fixing and obvious flaw, but if the template is ok, there is not much to add/fix now is there?"

2)I am hoping that since its mw3 and mw2 was bigger than black ops, that we wil see something since its too early to tell, but yeah, i dont think they will change much just like my other favorite franchise uncharted.

3)People compained about cod4 not being accessable enough, they made waw more accesable, then they complained about not being fun, they added killstreaks, then they complained about being unbalanced, they balanced black ops, like the guy from bioware said "no matter what we choose to do, someone will get pissed anyway"

4)thanks

I can't agree more with your point 3. I mean you can't please everyone and I do agree about how balanced Black Ops is. But even hardcore CoD fans are starting to get bored of getting the same old thing. Year after year with a slight tweak. And the year after year thing is the important bit. That is why people are getting annoyed and bored with the whole CoD scene, compare it to Halo, both games are hated because of their popularity but the Halo games are spaced out and seem less rushed.

But I personally think that COD has had it's day (just my opinion) Just think about it, will AssCreed be the same come it's 8th edition. I doubt it, games need to evolve like everything else.

I mean CoD doesn't really need it's CoD title now it's just a plug to sell more because, well people hate change.

 

[Griffolion]

its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

I love the smell of ad hominem in the morning. It is actually morning here too.

OT: I don't hate CoD, I just think it's an overly popular, highly overrated game who's only success rides off it's record breaking sales. Said sales speak about the type of people buying the game as much as the game itself. Other than that, CoD hasn't been good since the original Modern Warfare, everything else has been a simple re-hash of the same old things with different names, faces and times slapped on. No hate in there, just opinion, albeit negative. That said, my main problem is with the players as much as it is with the actual game.

I've played CoD, both single player and multi player, it get's very stale, very soon. There's no real tactics or logic in there, it's simply who can ADS before who. I prefer slower, more strategic shooters like the Battlefield franchise, because it suits me better. The Battlefield single player 'attempts' at story lines are terrible, but it's all about the multi player with BF anyway.

So yeah, no hate with me, but I dislike the CoD franchise as it doesn't suit me as a shooter.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Apart from:

The fact that BF3 includes a game engine so sophisticated that it's incomplete due to current high end hardware not even being able to support it.

By destruction you mean not pre-animated sequences and set pieces but actual real-time physics driven destruction that is different every time it happens.

The fact that weapons and load-out are massively customisable compared to BF2 and even BC2.

A new approach to squad based play.

A greater amount of game types to suit all kinds of player.

By better graphics you mean as good graphics an FPS has ever been.

The fact that vehicles, including jets, actually exist.


I could go on but my wrist is hurting. Like I said before, Battlefield tickles my fancy orders of magnitude over Call of Duty. That's just me.

Cant say that the things you pointed out are making a a point. You say cod doesnt suit you as a shooter, i could say bf doesnt because of the vehicles and the team based gameplay. Also glad they adding TDM to pull cod players in the game. The weapon customization is nowhere near as big as black ops, just because you can put all the attachments does not mean its, big, black ops had camos and even reticles for the sights.

As for the engine? Only on pc, dont deny it, you said that "includes a game engine so sophisticated that it's incomplete due to current high end hardware not even being able to support it. "

Imagine how it would be on consoles? half those things wont even be available.

Yeah and the fact that CoD suits you more than BF3 bears no problem with me, it's what's known as opinion and preference. But comparing CoD game to CoD game, it's rehashed because it's a successful business model that demands little deviation or innovation because Activision don't want to stray away from a winning formula. Comparing BF2 to BF3; sure the core mechanics that make Battlefield what it is are re-done, but everything about that mechanic is changed, upgraded with new aspects added in too.

I was never comparing BF3 to Black Ops, I was comparing it back to BF2 and BC2 as per my response to your quote. I couldn't care less for a 'camo' on a gun nor a reticle on a sight as I'm usually focused on the person I'm trying to shoot, not some vanity item.

And what about the engine and PC? I'm not getting what you're alluding to here. Yeah, the PC is high end hardware compared to consoles today. I was getting at the fact that Frostbite is incomplete because even high end PC hardware can't support everything DICE want's Frostbite to do. It's nothing bad, it's actually good that they're developing something so ahead that it will push future systems. Eventually, tech will catch up. And that will be when DICE release a true successor to BF3.

 

[Still Life]

-Snip-

You need to find some better examples. I see what you're trying to argue, but Doom came from a studio which had a fraction of the budget seen in AAA titles today, and was developed in era where the FPS genre was experimental. Doom was also developed in an era where the industry was in its infancy. Not a great comparison at all. There was nothing to derivatively rehash, as id pretty much invented FPS.

Much of the same can be said of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series. The devs behind it are small time, based in Ukraine, who have more or less handcrafted their own tech from scratch, creating a game which breaks new and innovative ground for the genre. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. was flawed, however it was almost universally hailed as an important game for shooters and opened up new ways of approaching FPS. GSC did a lot of experimenting with the core game design with CS and CoP and have said that the lessons learned will translate into the numbered sequel. That's not rehashing.

Your core argument has merit, if I've read into it correctly. However, you need to find better examples/evidence to make your case.