This "cod hate" is getting out of hand.

[nuba km]

by by 'fixing' my post so stupidly

I don't think it's terrible. I had to play off what your wrote you see. Objectively speaking TF2's multiplayer is pretty rad. It does nothing for me though, that's my issue with it. But I can see how other people could dig it.

But also, as long as we're speaking objectively CoD4's multiplayer is just better. Not by much mind you but it's better. It flows infinitely more smoothly than TF2 and the satisfaction from making a kill and seeing that little +10 pop up smokes anything TF2 has to offer. Smokes it I say. And I'm just being a fanboy here, honestly CoD4 is the only CoD game I like, and its fans are the worst type of scum you'll meet but I honestly think TF2 gets a free ride amongst gamers for its art style which admittedly is pretty rad. My biggest complaint with CoD4 is that it's boring as hell to look at and as a result it's hard to distinguish from the slew of terrible imposters and terrible sequels that have come about in its wake.

I honestly tried TF2. Dozens of times actually, I really really want to like it to get in on this wonderful game everyone talks about. But I just can't stand it for more than twenty minutes. I try out the classes, I curse at how sticky and awkward the game feels and the just give up, listing aloud all the things I'd rather do than play TF2 some more. Like play Minesweeper or watch Antiques Road Show or floss my head with a length of barbed wire. Something... anything.

I usually try to see things from all perspectives but in this case if you think TF2's multiplayer is better than CoD4s you're just wrong. It's terrible that bad sequels, a terrible fan base and dozens of poor imitators have scared gamers away from the geniunely fantastic game.

ok I see what you getting at that saying call of duty has terrible multiplayer is subjective, but I am not saying CoD has terrible multiplayer because I didn't like it. I mean I don't like plenty of good things, I don't really like the first mass effect but it is still a good game as it has developed characters and make it's plot have more of an impact as it makes you care a lot more about the fate of the people involved but the gameplay drags down it's over all quality as it has a pace that doesn't match the story and driving section have terrible controls and physics, as well as the weapons stats not having much of a noticable effet on gameplay. that is me looking at th egame and tking personal opinion out as much as possible to show the quality of game in order to say whether it is bad or good.

here is why I think CoD multiplayer is terrible:

Call of duty: a fast paced, completely unrealistic fps with a perk system and a small variation in multiplayer modes (only big veriation are vager(or how ever you spell it) matches. this has a larger target market and therefore more people should like it. But it is very easy to be cheap in it as it is extremely unbalanced and all that killstreaks achive is but widen the gap between the person who is winning and the poeple who are losing and not due to skill level, and using anything other then a lmg or a assault rifle is like throwing cheese as a shotgun only has an effective range slightly longer then the knife dash and the smg's are too weak and have too much or a spread to make then a use for anything then killing someone point blank, but yet again you have a knife dash for that.

that is bad multiplayer but because the fan base has a large portion of players who only play CoD and/or sports games that means they don't really have any point of comparison and therefore play it with out knowing of much better experiences. Also another large chunk of the fan base are people who just care about 'owning people' and don't care about whether it takes skill and therefore CoD's heavily unbalanced multiplayer appeals do them.

as you see personal opinion has very little to do with it.

 

[oktalist]

I hate cod, it's so bland. Much prefer like a nice kipper or salmon.

 

[Dollar Bill]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame. I guess its the same as halo back then when it was bashed.

But what pisses me off is how BIASED those haters are

They say that MW3 looks rehashed and same as last year.

Well, in E3 i saw uncharted 3,assasin's creed revelations and spiderman edge of time. If no one told me i would say i was looking at their predessecors, yet only cod is bashed.

In retrospective, killzone 3 and dead space 2 and fallout new vegas were exactly like their predecessors but did the fans complain? Nope.

Infact if you go take a look in game that tried to change, you will see they piss of the fans and failed like prince of persia in 2008, fans were pissed so they made a warrior within clone after that.

Hell if you take a look a the past you will see many similat situations, eg doom 1 and 2 were practicly the same with one new weapon and a bunch of monsters, when they made doom 3, everyone was pissed it changed. Same thing with blood 2 or the tomb raider series, all tomb raider games till angel of darkness were the same, after that they change the game and took their chances and the fans hated id and went back to the last 5 "Recycled" tomb raider games.

Hell even stalker series are recycled, suprisingly people only bash cod about it like all those examples i pointed out do not exist.

Another thing will be is that they say there are too many cod games and it has gone stale over the year wih no changes whhile praising bf3 which comes from a franchise who is doing the same formula for farrr longer with very few additions. Eg: BF3 is basicly bf2 with better grpaphics and destruction(since they bringing back the airplanes)

Imo this cod hate is getting out of hand and its way too biased.

You know instead of saying how much other games suck and are rehashed all the time, why don't you tell us what you think cod has done new and why it is so good. Besides, i think people hate it is more the fact that cod doesn't deserve all of the high sales and money it has gotten so far, while much better games just get shoved aside.

Beside that just because it got good sales doesn't mean it's a good game, it just means activision have marketed it to a mainstream audience, one that will put up with cod's shit year after year.

 

[snow]

I think ill take this post as advice and log out and not give a damn anymore.

No biggy, sorry if it sounded as if I was coming off as rude. Reading back it did sound that way which was not my intent. While most people dislike CoD including myself, there are people out there that like it, so it's good that there's a game out there that appeals to a certain crowd, because having choice in the types of games you play is a good thing. It's why I ignore console wars. It doesn't matter if one person thinks their console is better than the other, because the mere fact that there's the option to own one over the other based on what you feel appeals more to you is definitely a good thing.

I don't like the Wii, but it's good that it exists so those who like that style of gameplay can enjoy themselves. Many will bash on it, but that's really the only thing they can do, and the best way to disarm them is to ignore them. xD

 

[Vrud]

This thread really was much more amazing when I thought it was about fish.

 

[timithy4569]

Hitman is a diffirent game and you cant generalize 18 million people because most you played were douchebags, i mean, you dont even scratch the surface.

You can generalize on a community if they are mostly douchebags. If you only met a few people you can't. If you go into a bar and if 8 out of the 10 people at that bar are douchebags. You can safely say that all those people who go to that bar are douchebags. The 2 out of 10 probably won't even take offence. They also see that 8 out of the 10 people at the car are douchebags. If a friend of theirs wanted to go to the same bar he/she frequent, he/she would probably also tell them that most of the guys there are douchebags. What you can't.shouldn't generalize is when You see shela(someone who was a ***** to you before)go into a bar and say that all those people at that bar must be douchebags.

You generalize off of concentration. If you played 40 random Call of Duty games and on average 1/4 of them are douchebags. You are allowed to say that the community is full of douchebags. If anyone asks your opinion on the game, you are going to day the community is full of douchebags because there are douchebags in it. It is also expected to find douchebags when you play the game. (You are expected to find douchebags anywhere. The concentration of douchebags changes whether or not people say it.)

 

[El_Chubba_Chubba]

Reading through everyone else's posts, people have pretty much argued all of the valid points that I could of, but I just have to say it could be a under lying feeling that maybe their (the COD fans) last game wasn't THAT good?

It's just a possibility.

 

[k-ossuburb]

When in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

That's the point I stopped reading. Twilight is popular, is that a good book? The Transformers movies are popular, does that make them good movies?

Just because a bunch of meatheads crowd around a single thing and claim it to be the best thing ever, doesn't mean they're right, it just means they're ignorant of the other choices. Most COD players tend to have a very, very limited view of what a game should be which is why it comes up in forums a lot. It's because we're sick of people going on about "realism" and "graphics" when the only game they ever seem to play allows you to heal by ducking behind a wall for a few seconds. Realism? PAH!

The story in the COD games is weak at best, Bulletstorm managed to wring an entire advertising campaign about how generic and predictable the COD franchise has become lately, it's gotten to a point where most gamers are so sick of the same old "brown shooters" that they're willing to jump onto anything that presents them with the slightest modicum of originality and initiative.

A personal problem I have with any one of the real-world military shooters is that you're playing as a nobody, you're just a soldier who's part of an army which is tasked to do something for some reason and save the world. It's pretty difficult to feel involved or immersed in a game when your own character is about as interesting as a sheet of cardboard with a drawn on it.

This s why they're churned out so often, they're pretty easy to write they don't need a lot of effort put into the game since all you have to do is clone the previous one and make some minor graphical tweaks and add/remove/buff/nerf the load out. This makes them incredibly cheap to develop, so all they are really are money-printing machines, since there's always going to be a market for this simply because most of them simply don't know any better.

TL;DR

They're boring, they're generic and they're nothing more than a con devised to drain money away from ignorant people who are too closed-minded of anything that doesn't fit into their little "realistic" idea of what a game should be. They're also suffocating the industry by making other studios want to copy them in an attempt to imitate their success which results in piles of bland, repetitive, unimaginative tripe that saturates the industry today.

 

[That Greek Guy]

i believe that the worst thing about cod is that its advertised SO MUCH that all the little stupid kids get it and get sucked in. But because they dont know anything about videogames they start screaming that cod is the best game ever and everything else is either gay or for pussie fps players. Just look at the comments on mw2 youtube videos. its just sad at this point

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Of course CoD hate is biased, hating something is in itself bias. What exactly are you complaining about here? A product that's had hundreds of millions of people playing it has tens of millions of people who hate it? It's called having an opinion different to yours, get used to it dude.

 

[-Ulven-]

It's not just the game who is gettin the hate. It's more the community. I men I play some MW2 here and there. And everytime I kill someone I get called a noob beacuse I actually killed him...

Also. When I play BFBC2 I can tell people who play cod on a more regular basis off by the way they play. They usually lose the game by camping, not playing as a team and focusing more on K/D than actual objectives and whatnot. Also the MW thing got old after the 2nd one. Seeng how little this genre has moved by being pushed out on a yearly basis. It gives all us gamers something to blame when mechanics get rehashed.

 

[Feralbreed]

We always need a common enemy. And all of duty is easy for the elitist fucks who think they're somehow "above" this game.

Besides, despite there being so many CoD-games, no one gave a shit about it until Modern warfare (CoD4) blew the publics mind. From then on it has attracted so many players that it's easy to dismiss them as plebejians that will buy into anything and at the same time sit on your PC and praise tedious shit like STALKER and watch My little pony "ironically."

 

[Megacherv]

Now make no mistake people. I'm not trying to defend the game series. I just want to take the opportunity to quash these ridiculous arguments that I keep seeing pop up everywhere.

OT: I actually thought the CoD hate was slowly dying down. It's much less sporadic then usual.

But I do have to say, Modern Warfare 3 looks exactly the same as MW2. I don't think the game was being taken as seriously this time around.

What you said exactly, those arguments are so biased that pisses me off and as i said most games are and improved template that pass as a sequel nowadays.

Are you honestly using Doom 2 as an example of other games being re-hashed? It's Doom-fucking-2! You couldn't update it that much, you couldn't jump, have layered floors and ceilings, nor could you look up or down. Why not go the whole hog and say that the original MegaMan series was also a bane of gaming's existence...

CoD is a franchise that despite the tools and frankly stoooooopid amount of money that they have earned from releasing the highest-grossing game ever and THEN breaking their own record the year after: the games are re-hashed, multiplayer-based, have stupidly short and frankly fucking stupid campaigns (after CoD 4) and there is absolutely no fucking excuse for it.

Defending CoD is a losing battle, the proof is in the pudding. CoD is a franchise full of potential but filled far more with boring stodgy constant-gunfire-from-all-directions-tedium that was ripped out from last year's game, and the fact that it's so successful is doing wonders to the downfall of gaming and our culture.

Actually i picked doom 2 to show that it was done in the past and on pc gaming as well. But if you dont like that, then pick the stalker games, for a pc game SOC made a lot of money and its sequels were actual "recycled" more than cod.

I wouldnt give up on cod yet, like i said you cant do much on consoles and hold 60fps, in the next gen it will look nothing like it does now. Yes because cod wont die,EVER!!

Infact with its sales it will be considered a fail if it sold only 5 millions

You see, that's it right there. The fps...really? Really?! The frames-per-second don't make or break a game. Second, the fps don't limit filling your game with actual content. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has had just three games. Call of Duty is goingto be releasing its eighth game (EIGHTH!) and it's looking to be the same thing...again...

Now, if it turns out to be a masterpiece, I'll gladly eat humble pie, but with CoD's current track record...

 

[Knife-28]

I will just say something that, in all honesty, covers all games, including Call of Duty, heck, any media. The only thing worse than (Insert Game/Movie ect) fanboys, are the (Insert same Game/Movie ect) haters.

That said, so that I don't go compleatly off topic, I like Call of Duty, it's not the best game in the world, but there are alot worse.

 

[Continuity]

when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

Whoa hold it right there buddy, if you're premising this tirade on that deduction then you fail from the start.

Just because something is popular does not make it in anyway good, it may be enjoyable but enjoyable and good are two different things. Take soap opera programs on tv, collectively they have more viewing hours than all movie and theatre combined, does that mean that soap opera is better than movies or theatre? No. It just means it's more popular.

What can I say, the people like junk.

 

[ACman]

The cod hate is because most COD fans think they know everything about guns yet they know jack about them so they look like fools and also its not all based on change i refused to play COD after World at War because i hate playing in the modern time as the only enemies your allowed are either the Russians (who would never invade the USA) or Terrorists or PMCs so i can see where the hate comes from.

Arrrggg!!!! Punctuation..... Lack thereof.... Hurts to read.

OT: I don't hate the series. It's a generic military shooter. I do wish that it and its imitators were less shallow.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Seriously i can browse the internet without seeing so many people spam about it everyhwere even in non cod related videos/articles and if you say something negative about the game they are like "go play cod" like its some knida insult when in reallity its one of the most sucessfull franchises thus a very good geame.

It's the most successful franchise and that has no reflection on game quality. Success does not equal good, it equals popular. They are bland, unimaginative, rehashed brown shooters with throwaway characters and dialogue you would struggle to scrape off the bottom of a barrel.

I actually have no idea how it was CoD4 became the most popular online shooter of the generation and made the franchise the success it was. It was an above average game at best though I'll suggest the multiplayer xp/perk thing was probably the cause. It was innovative, adding "RPG lite" features and something to aim for beyond a single match.

The implied insult in the statement "go play CoD" is to suggest that the insultee isn't capable of playing a decent game with actual depth and challenge and should just go back to the vanilla, arcade shooter. And I'd be more offended by that than a punch to the face.

 

[EvilMaggot]

I agree somewhat, but at the same time, cod IS getting old.

I suggest we move to another franchise. Highly Amusing Destruction Derby of Cataclysmic Konsequences (because everything needs to be spelled oddly these days).

Or HADDoCK for short.

+1 for the HADDocK amazing ^^

 

[Ashcrexl]

The CoD hate is not getting out of hand. why do i say that? because it is the best selling non-sport video game franchise in history. stop whining dude. enjoy your millions of co-fans.

 

[nuba km]

Call of duty: a fast paced, completely unrealistic fps with a perk system and a small variation in multiplayer modes (only big veriation are vager(or how ever you spell it) matches. this has a larger target market and therefore more people should like it. But it is very easy to be cheap in it as it is extremely unbalanced and all that killstreaks achive is but widen the gap between the person who is winning and the poeple who are losing and not due to skill level, and using anything other then a lmg or a assault rifle is like throwing cheese as a shotgun only has an effective range slightly longer then the knife dash and the smg's are too weak and have too much or a spread to make then a use for anything then killing someone point blank, but yet again you have a knife dash for that.

that is bad multiplayer but because the fan base has a large portion of players who only play CoD and/or sports games that means they don't really have any point of comparison and therefore play it with out knowing of much better experiences. Also another large chunk of the fan base are people who just care about 'owning people' and don't care about whether it takes skill and therefore CoD's heavily unbalanced multiplayer appeals do them.

Hating a game just because of its fanbase is extremely petty. But that's moot point since it's completely innacurate. Sure there is a sizeable amount of players like you described and perhaps even more so than most games but still if you crunch the numbers they're still massively less than any other type of players. It just so happens that crappy CoD fans happen to be extremely vocal so it's easy to understand how people could get that impression. As I mentioned before those people are the scum of the Earth and I want nothing to do with them. But can I tell you a secret? I would rather be stuck in a conversation with them than with a group of snooty TF2 fans who talk down their nose at sports game fans and CoD fans and treat everything Valve releases as fucking gold. As above most TF2 fans aren't like that at all but they're there and vocal so pick your poison ************!

I agree that CoD is unrealistic but the fact that you assume this is a negative trait is both hilarious and somewhat frustrating. Yes, the games pretensions to be "a realistic depiction of modern warfare" are laughable especially considering the single player campaign is a James Bond plot with even worse accents (if you can believe it) but realism has nothing to do with the entertainment appeal of a game. Yes, highly trained marines should be able to sprint for more than five seconds and no turrets with infinite ammo doesn't make any sense but Mario shouldn't be able to breathe in space, Gordon Freeman shouldn't be able to walk after taking a rocket to the shins and the CIA shouldn't allow their agents to do barrel rolls in hijacked passengers planes (I promise I'll stop making Just Cause 2 references). Realism is a moot point in any form of entertainment, video games the least of all.

It's just as easy to be cheap in CoD4 as it is in TF2, you're talking out of your ass here. I can't even come up with a rebuttal because you've clearly either not played the game or are lying (so anything I say won't work anyway).

This might be a nitpick but could you please clean up your posts. I would really like to have a discussion about this (not that it will get either of us anywhere) but with your run on sentences, lack of capitalisation and complete disregard for paragraphing it's actually somewhat difficult to read. It doesn't make your opinion any less valid and I know I'm not exactly an Ace with spelling and grammer (hyuck hyuck) but I'd like to think my posts are readable. It'd be swell to carry on this conversation but I don't think I'll be able to until your posts become easier to read. Sorry.

I am going to make my post clearer:
Call of duty: a fast paced, completely unrealistic fps with a perk system and a small variation in multiplayer modes (only big veriation are vager(or how ever you spell it) matches. this has a larger target market and therefore more people should like it. this portion of it is merely a summary of the game.

But it is very easy to be cheap in it as it is extremely unbalanced and all that killstreaks achive is but widen the gap between the person who is winning and the poeple who are losing and not due to skill level, and using anything other then a lmg or a assault rifle is like throwing cheese as a shotgun only has an effective range slightly longer then the knife dash and the smg's are too weak and have too much or a spread to make then a use for anything then killing someone point blank, but yet again you have a knife dash for that. this section is why it is bad

the fan base has a large portion of players who only play CoD and/or sports games that means they don't really have any point of comparison and therefore play it with out knowing of much better experiences. Also another large chunk of the fan base are people who just care about 'owning people' and don't care about whether it takes skill and therefore CoD's heavily unbalanced multiplayer appeals do them. and this is something bad about it which has nothing to do with the game.

NOW FOR THE NEW STUFF
1. When I played CoD the player base had no impact on me as I merely unplugged my head set when I met the douchbags in the player base.

2. The snooty player base in TF2 is also there but I played TF2 a lot more then CoD and I haven't even run into the the same number of times as I have in CoD and they also worsen the game, but the TF2 is still a good game.

3. I didn't point say it being unrealistic as a bad point I was merely saying to the op who said that it was somewhat realistic that it isn't

4. Ways to be cheap in TF2: team of engineers or turrets/ entire team out side the spawn point. Ways to be cheap in CoD: camping in one of the many camping spots, overpowered weapons, overpowered kill streaks also the thing is the CoD payer base is a lot more likely to be cheap (I am only saying more likely I know there is a good chunk of players that aren't cheap) and the thing is, anything which you have to do with other people is affected by other people. You saying that you can't dislike a multiplayer game because you can't find good people to play with is like you saying you can't dislike work because you work with people who you don't like.

5. I am dyslexic, still sorry about the bad grammar and spelling but I try.