This Coffee Maker Has DRM to Lock Out Competitor's Refills - Update

Keiichi Morisato

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Gorrath said:
Keiichi Morisato said:
Sleekit said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
consumerism gone mad! :p

anyway nope (Scotland).

round here household coffee comes in a jar as far most people are concerned.
a machine like that is generally seen as an unnecessary palaver.
in america, if we want tea we nuke the water and add a tea bag of desired flavor, and add copious amounts of sugar or artificial sweetener.
Oh don't you go lumping me in with all of that! My tea is all loose leaf tea and my water is heated in a Zojirushi. What's more, adding sweeter is blasphemy as far as I'm concerned. I freely admit though, when it comes to tea, I am a ridiculous little man.
i do the same myself, but my comment was about the average american, and not the tea connoisseur. i don't mind sweeteners, as long as they are kept to a minimum, for example, i buy organic florida cane sugar that has been minimally processed and still has a bit of the molasses in it for taste, but i only put in 1 or 2 tea spoons depending on how strong the tea is, for most east asian teas and most european herbal teas 1 spoon flu is enough, but for the darker british and indian black teas 2 is enough, and i only sweeten for taste, and to take the bitter edge away.
 

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I have a Tassimo, which as others have stated, uses a proprietary pod format. I can actually justfiy its existence in my kitchen though. The difference between it and a Keurig is that it reads water temperature/pressure/amount instructions from a barcode on the pod which allows it to make things like espresso, Lattes (it can froth milk), mochas, etc which the Keurig can't make (since it just blindly dumps hot water through its pods.) The Tassimo pod packages even come with condensed milk pods, chocolate syrup pods, etc if they're for a specialty drink, so it has all the ingredients you need out of the box with no mess.

I basically own and use mine for espresso and specialty drinks (I like my lattes), but it's kind of pointless for normal coffee/tea. For that, I just use a drip brewer for coffee and a kettle for tea. I see no reason to get a Keurig, as it can only make normal coffee/tea.
 

Weaver

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This is just going to drive the cost of the pods up.
The Keurig pods are goddamn awful for the environment. I don't get how anyone could not feel like a dick buying them. Also, as a coffee snob, Keurig coffee is shit.

Whole bean for life.
 

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Sleekit said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
consumerism gone mad! :p

anyway nope (Scotland).

round here household coffee comes in a jar as far as most people are concerned.
a machine like that is generally seen as an unnecessary palaver.
As a UK person who doesn't just drink jarred coffee I will testify that a coffee maker is a ball ache, i just buy grounds and have a press jug with which to brew my morning fuel.
 

Gorrath

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Keiichi Morisato said:
Gorrath said:
Keiichi Morisato said:
Sleekit said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
consumerism gone mad! :p

anyway nope (Scotland).

round here household coffee comes in a jar as far most people are concerned.
a machine like that is generally seen as an unnecessary palaver.
in america, if we want tea we nuke the water and add a tea bag of desired flavor, and add copious amounts of sugar or artificial sweetener.
Oh don't you go lumping me in with all of that! My tea is all loose leaf tea and my water is heated in a Zojirushi. What's more, adding sweeter is blasphemy as far as I'm concerned. I freely admit though, when it comes to tea, I am a ridiculous little man.
i do the same myself, but my comment was about the average american, and not the tea connoisseur. i don't mind sweeteners, as long as they are kept to a minimum, for example, i buy organic florida cane sugar that has been minimally processed and still has a bit of the molasses in it for taste, but i only put in 1 or 2 tea spoons depending on how strong the tea is, for most east asian teas and most european herbal teas 1 spoon flu is enough, but for the darker british and indian black teas 2 is enough, and i only sweeten for taste, and to take the bitter edge away.
Oh I figured you were speaking generally, I was just taking the piss out of myself for being a tea snob. Some of the herbal teas I buy have natural sweeteners, but that's usually in the form of candied fruit. As for actual tea, my fiance occasionally slips honey into the batch, but I'm not a fan. I find the bitterness of tea to be a charming compliment to my food. Most Americans I know don't drink hot tea anyway, and their idea of iced tea is two tea bags and 10 lbs of sugar. I find it cloying in the extreme. If this country weren't so vast, I'd invite you to enjoy a cup with me and my lovelier half just so I could gush on about the ridiculous sums of money I've spent on my tea pots.
 

Weaver

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I am curious, if this is facing an anti-consumer lawsuit why can Apple just say "nah, we won't let you make that software for our OS" and it's okay?
 

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Weaver said:
I am curious, if this is facing an anti-consumer lawsuit why can Apple just say "nah, we won't let you make that software for our OS" and it's okay?
probably because messing with coffee affects more people per capita than Apple's proprietary OS does. Though, I did go with the Betamax-I mean Tassimo over the Keurig, so I'm already using a coffee machine with DRM
 

Keiichi Morisato

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Gorrath said:
Keiichi Morisato said:
Gorrath said:
Keiichi Morisato said:
Sleekit said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
consumerism gone mad! :p

anyway nope (Scotland).

round here household coffee comes in a jar as far most people are concerned.
a machine like that is generally seen as an unnecessary palaver.
in america, if we want tea we nuke the water and add a tea bag of desired flavor, and add copious amounts of sugar or artificial sweetener.
Oh don't you go lumping me in with all of that! My tea is all loose leaf tea and my water is heated in a Zojirushi. What's more, adding sweeter is blasphemy as far as I'm concerned. I freely admit though, when it comes to tea, I am a ridiculous little man.
i do the same myself, but my comment was about the average american, and not the tea connoisseur. i don't mind sweeteners, as long as they are kept to a minimum, for example, i buy organic florida cane sugar that has been minimally processed and still has a bit of the molasses in it for taste, but i only put in 1 or 2 tea spoons depending on how strong the tea is, for most east asian teas and most european herbal teas 1 spoon flu is enough, but for the darker british and indian black teas 2 is enough, and i only sweeten for taste, and to take the bitter edge away.

Oh I figured you were speaking generally, I was just taking the piss out of myself for being a tea snob. Some of the herbal teas I buy have natural sweeteners, but that's usually in the form of candied fruit. As for actual tea, my fiance occasionally slips honey into the batch, but I'm not a fan. I find the bitterness of tea to be a charming compliment to my food. Most Americans I know don't drink hot tea anyway, and their idea of iced tea is two tea bags and 10 lbs of sugar. I find it cloying in the extreme. If this country weren't so vast, I'd invite you to enjoy a cup with me and my lovelier half just so I could gush on about the ridiculous sums of money I've spent on my tea pots.
cool, i would love to see your tea pots and what nots, but alas i live in America. as a southern person i do drink a lot of iced tea, but i don't sweeten it quite as much as most americans, i like to drink it when it's hot out (in florida it gets really hot and humid and iced tea just hits the spot. during the winter time i do enjoy some hot teas, or at night before i go to bed. my tea of choice is usually a Green, White, or Oolong tea, but every now and then i do enjoy a full bodied black tea. i can understand why iced tea seems so foreign to you, as it doesn't get nearly as hot in Scotland as it does in Florida and much of the south. one of my favorite things to sweeten my iced tea is fresh fruit, namely sweet Georgia peaches, that is usually me go to sweetener and flavor for iced black teas.
 

Gorrath

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I think you've mixed me up with that other bloke you were speaking with. I'm American myself, residing in the great state of Ohio. I can understand the mix-up though, as I tend toward some mannerisms that come from across the pond. I was born in Germany and traveled around Europe and GB extensively, so I've some ways about my speech that aren't, perhaps, typical.

They tend to make iced tea in Ohio much like they do in the South as far as sugar content, though the fruit we often add is lemons. I know what you mean about the peaches too, as I spent a year in Georgia for some of my military training and enjoyed fruit-sweetened iced tea far better than the stuff made from pallets of sugar.

I tend to like specific varieties in certain situations, such as Indian spiced chai (only time I put cream in my tea) with my sweet potato curry, black pearls with my breakfast foods, Japanese green or a white tea for tea time, an herbal blend for evenings and on the rare occasion I'm having tea for dinner instead of wine or beer, it's usually an oolong to accompany my Korean or Chinese cuisine.

I could wax endlessly about a lovely cup of tea, but I'd hate to be a bore.
 

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You know what will never have any 'lock out' technology? A normal espresso machine.

I will say that pods are a definite improvement on instant, even if you'll never impress a true coffee snob with one.
 

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What's wrong with a kettle?
Why can't you just boil some water?

I really don't understand why coffee machines exist.
 
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As an avid coffee drinker ... I think I'll stick my drip coffee, and make a mental note to never buy a Keurig. At least "hacking" it use other brands wouldn't break the DMCA, or any other law that exists solely to justify anti-consumer nonsense. For now ... I hope ... <_<
 

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Keiichi Morisato said:
Sleekit said:
Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
consumerism gone mad! :p

anyway nope (Scotland).

round here household coffee comes in a jar as far most people are concerned.
a machine like that is generally seen as an unnecessary palaver.
in america, if we want tea we nuke the water and add a tea bag of desired flavor, and add copious amounts of sugar or artificial sweetener.
Excuse me, that's called Freedom Tea good sir.

Also I grind beans and use a drip machine so.....yeah
 

viranimus

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Ok.. And how slippery is this slope that people keep claiming DRM and the precedents being set by digital distribution platforms are trying to transform products into services are going to expand beyond what we conceive as digital distribution?

Its just another brick in the wall. The question is are you going to help break it down? Or are you going to stand under it gawking upward until the whole thing topples over on you?
 

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Stevepinto3 said:
Sleekit said:
i don't actually know anyone...nor have i in fact ever known someone...who actually owns a coffee maker.

mostly on account of us having these things called "kettles"...
I take it you're not from the U.S. then. I don't know anyone who doesn't own a coffeemaker. Hell, I have one and I don't even drink coffee.
You know I was looking for a different clip from something completely different, but found this instead.


I am not upset. And it kinda seems to fit the topic.

Anyway, I don't drink coffee. Just never appealed to me.
 

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garjian said:
What's wrong with a kettle?
Why can't you just boil some water?

I really don't understand why coffee machines exist.
Eh, I own a tassimo for mornings and a press for weekends. Since I live alone and only drink one cup on work mornings, it can be a chore and usually wasteful to try to measure out the appropriate amount of grounds for a single cup. I would rather just let the little machine do it for me when I'm getting ready for work, and make coffee properly on the weekends when I can enjoy it.
 

Auberon

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So how bout 'dem put in ground beans, water, wait a little while and pour from pan coffee makers?

Or stereotyping question: are Americans really this lazy?
 

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Scorpid said:
I don't understand what's wrong with making simple pots of coffee and why these wasteful individual cups are catching on. It seems like a fad to me... but then again I'm a tea drinker, life is so much easier as a tea drinker.
It's quick (very positive in the early morning) and i never brew more than i need (I did just that when using an old school machine, lots of wasted coffee) and best of all: It always taste the same! I alwayd had a hard time brewing consitently good coffe on my old machine, much easier now and plenty of tastes to choose from. It's a bit lazy of me, but i really like these pod based things.