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Pretty much the beginning of Oryx and Crake.
A man named Snowman lives in a tree. He wears sunglasses with one lens missing. He wears a baseball cap. He carries a sheet over his shoulders. He wears a broken watch on his wrist. Apart from that he's naked.
He is the last man on earth, yet there are other people who live as animals; naked in the woods, they eat plants and know no love, no rejection, no jealousy and no war.
And it is all Crake's fault.
(It makes perfect sense after a while; almost every question you might have is answered in an awesome fashion, but in the beginning there are just questions, questions, questions.)
A man named Snowman lives in a tree. He wears sunglasses with one lens missing. He wears a baseball cap. He carries a sheet over his shoulders. He wears a broken watch on his wrist. Apart from that he's naked.
He is the last man on earth, yet there are other people who live as animals; naked in the woods, they eat plants and know no love, no rejection, no jealousy and no war.
And it is all Crake's fault.
(It makes perfect sense after a while; almost every question you might have is answered in an awesome fashion, but in the beginning there are just questions, questions, questions.)
That movie was alright, pretty fucking weird, but alright. I just about understood it.Triarius492 said:
Anything by Philip K Dick. Apart from maybe a little bit Blade Runner. Anyhow, go and read Ubik and tell me you understood it perfectly first time.
The Original is my favourite series of all time! But to be truthful makes about as much sense as Yfronts filled with Rabid Monkeys! I am hoping the new series is good, but Im pretty sure it won't be!lasherman said:
:OTrivun said:
It made perfect sense. And i never played any other ones. You just have to have a small amount of info on the series and then watch every single cutscene in MGS4....maybe more than once XD
The story was neither sensical, well-presented, or tactful.orannis62 said:
Take, say, "No Russian" (For anyone else reading this-SPOILERS).
Makarov was clearly a well-know, easily identified Russian terrorist. During the attack he wore no mask, and must have been picked up by dozens of security camers within and outside the airport. Survivors would have seen the same. It would have been obvious he committed the attack. But because they find one American body there, they decide the Americans launched the attack?
Besides, how did they know he was American? He was a deep undercover CIA operative, I doubt he had his US passport or driver's license in his wallet, nor could they dissect his vocal cords and found out he spoke English. And even if they did find out an American was part of the attack, how in the hell would that lead to one superpower invading another? That man does not represent the entire United States.
Or take Captain Price. He launches a nuke that blows up in the upper atmosphere, or an EMP warhead or something. It looked pretty awesome. Now...what did that accomplish? Really? Wow, Washington D.C. has no power now. The Russians are going to give up their invasion of the entire country and go home?
Also, of course, smaller questions. What the hell was the ACS module, and how did it help the Russians invade the US (as I assume was what was supposed to happen) if it was recovered? Whatever happened with the Brazilian arms dealer? Who was that Raptor guy you were protecting? What was the importance of the guy in the saferoom and his briefcase? How did Russia manage to invade the United States, with the most powerful military in the world, at will? Such a massive operation would be a tactical and logistical nightmare, and probably almost impossible. Where was the entire US Navy or Air Force, and the US's nuclear weapons stockpiles?
Oh yeah. Why the HELL did General whats-his-face kill a bunch of international special forces soldiers? What did that accomplish for him? They were certainly only helping him and didn't seem to pose a threat in any way. And what about that "Shadow Company" you fight in the last mission or two? Where did they come from? Are they Shepherd's (I just remembered his name) personal company of bodyguards or something? Shouldn't they have been introduced sometime so we know who we are fighting? And whatever happened to Makarov? He was made out to be the game's main antagonist, and then he's completely forgotten about for some US general. That was...a satisfying conclusion?
Besides, how did they know he was American? He was a deep undercover CIA operative, I doubt he had his US passport or driver's license in his wallet, nor could they dissect his vocal cords and found out he spoke English. And even if they did find out an American was part of the attack, how in the hell would that lead to one superpower invading another? That man does not represent the entire United States.
Or take Captain Price. He launches a nuke that blows up in the upper atmosphere, or an EMP warhead or something. It looked pretty awesome. Now...what did that accomplish? Really? Wow, Washington D.C. has no power now. The Russians are going to give up their invasion of the entire country and go home?
Also, of course, smaller questions. What the hell was the ACS module, and how did it help the Russians invade the US (as I assume was what was supposed to happen) if it was recovered? Whatever happened with the Brazilian arms dealer? Who was that Raptor guy you were protecting? What was the importance of the guy in the saferoom and his briefcase? How did Russia manage to invade the United States, with the most powerful military in the world, at will? Such a massive operation would be a tactical and logistical nightmare, and probably almost impossible. Where was the entire US Navy or Air Force, and the US's nuclear weapons stockpiles?
Oh yeah. Why the HELL did General whats-his-face kill a bunch of international special forces soldiers? What did that accomplish for him? They were certainly only helping him and didn't seem to pose a threat in any way. And what about that "Shadow Company" you fight in the last mission or two? Where did they come from? Are they Shepherd's (I just remembered his name) personal company of bodyguards or something? Shouldn't they have been introduced sometime so we know who we are fighting? And whatever happened to Makarov? He was made out to be the game's main antagonist, and then he's completely forgotten about for some US general. That was...a satisfying conclusion?
I shouldn't have these many questions from a campaign that was so damn short. There were many more things that didn't make sense than things that did. Plot concepts started and ended abruptly and seemingly at random. Things rarely went anywhere or tied together. The campaign looked and played great, but there was simply no writing. If this is considered good storytelling I may as well render myself deaf, dumb and blind and go live in a cave somewhere.
There are alot of things that I could say, but my most current "wtf? Oh well, I suppose it'll all make sense soon" Thing is flashforward, because while I completely understand the plot, the characters actions are a bit retarded.
And there are people dropped in as supposedly developed characters and you think "What? Who's that? Oh yeah, the person who has had a 30 second appearance in two other episodes."
In general, it all sounds a bit ridiculous, but I'm sure it will fit a loose definition of sense at the finale.
And there are people dropped in as supposedly developed characters and you think "What? Who's that? Oh yeah, the person who has had a 30 second appearance in two other episodes."
In general, it all sounds a bit ridiculous, but I'm sure it will fit a loose definition of sense at the finale.
Been thinking this for a while. Love your new avatar by the way, makes me feel like obeying you.Onyx Oblivion said:
I could never get into Northern Lights for some reason, I was having sick leave and started reading it and none of it went in. Up to the point where I unfairly hated the book for just being near me.
I'd probably read it now, I'm all about the second chances me.
I'd probably read it now, I'm all about the second chances me.
As I said, the storytelling left quite a bit to be desired, all I was saying was that, after some analysis, the story isn't that bad. I'll use spoilers as well.ElephantGuts said:
You forget, Makarov was an Ultranationalist, who control the Russian government at the time. I'm not going to say the government was likely thrilled about his attack on the airport, but Makarov basically left them with two options: tell the world that a member of their camp led a heinous assault on their own airport, or use Allen as an out. Even if the Russian government knows it really wasn't America's fault, public furor would basically ensure that they had to invade. Hell, it's even possible that they ordered Makarov to do it, wanting a pretext to invade the US (again, these are the Ultranationalists from the first game).
As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.
The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.
Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.
If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.
We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.
As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.
I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.
The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.
Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.
If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.
We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.
As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.
141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.
I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
The ending in particular was the longest, senseless diarrea of words I have seen this side of Quentin Tarantino.Trivun said:
In movies, I will go with the last Pirates of the Caribean. Nice action sequences, but the story had more twists than a spaghetti dish, and half of the times they lead nowhere...
Yeah, the entire series, aside from the original, is incredibly polarizing. I personally liked it, but I know a lot of people who didn't.xqxm said:
Borat made no sense to me. Both the plot and the fact that people found that garbage funny still eludes me.