This has to make sense eventually

Recommended Videos
Apr 24, 2008
3,911
0
0
Onyx Oblivion said:
Sexual Harassment Panda said:
Onyx Oblivion said:
what the fuck do Link and Mario keep saving the fucking princess for?
Been thinking this for a while. Love your new avatar by the way, makes me feel like obeying you.
GIVE ME YOUR CREDIT CARD INFORMATION
I would but I've already given them to a Nigerian businessman and a member of the Libyan royal family, today. I saw my friends PIN code over her shoulder earlier though. You can help me jump her for her card and a percentage of the ill gotten booty.
 

Acier

New member
Nov 5, 2009
1,300
0
0
the film Primer

however once I brushed up on my physics I could follow it better

Donnie Darko was hard for me to follow when I was a lot younger, but I watched the Directors cut recently and everything just made so much more sense
 

Kiefer13

Wizzard
Jul 31, 2008
1,548
0
0
hermes200 said:
Kiefer13 said:
Lost.

Beat that.
I can do that with two words: The X-Files...
Hmm, Touché .

I admit, I never did watch that many episodes of The X-Files (even though my mother was a huge fan), but those I did watch were strange indeed. I probably should at some point, I remember enjoying them nevertheless.
 

Nigh Invulnerable

New member
Jan 5, 2009
2,497
0
0
Captain Pancake said:
Catch-22 made no sense to me. I have to write a damn timed essay about it in 4 days time too, so shows my preparation...

I kid, I kid, I know nobody understood that book.

Still kidding, I understand it fine.
That book is completely awesome. It took me a pretty thorough read through to really get it, and now it's one of my favorites.

I watched "Cat Soup". That movie made sense for maybe 3 seconds in its 30 minutes. Giant joint-wizard who runs a circus and speaks in weird balloons that form a flood? Yeah.....
 

ElephantGuts

New member
Jul 9, 2008
3,520
0
0
orannis62 said:
As I said, the storytelling left quite a bit to be desired, all I was saying was that, after some analysis, the story isn't that bad. I'll use spoilers as well.
You forget, Makarov was an Ultranationalist, who control the Russian government at the time. I'm not going to say the government was likely thrilled about his attack on the airport, but Makarov basically left them with two options: tell the world that a member of their camp led a heinous assault on their own airport, or use Allen as an out. Even if the Russian government knows it really wasn't America's fault, public furor would basically ensure that they had to invade. Hell, it's even possible that they ordered Makarov to do it, wanting a pretext to invade the US (again, these are the Ultranationalists from the first game).

As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.

The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.

Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.

If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.

We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.

As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.

I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
Oh wow. You seem to have figured out a lot more than me. Did I just miss all that (things like the ACS module's explanation, Raptor being implied to be the president, Rojas telling about 141, etc.) in the game or did you find them out somewhere else?

And I doubt the Russians didn't want to portray Makarov in a "bad" light since he was already a known devious terrorist, but I guess if IW says being a Russian Ultranationalist means having an overpowerering hunger for American blood I can't fight that.

But I don't understand the deal with Shepherd. Exactly what was he trying to do? What "involvement" was he doing? I couldn't have missed that much in the game. And I suppose Makarov was left to be dealt with in the next game, but I feel like they should have alluded to it more. He just exits with a random line of dialogue, and then you kill Shepherd and it seems like you won, with no mention of Makarov again. I suppose I'll just chalk that up to bad presentation as you said.
 

ultracheeser

New member
Jul 2, 2009
348
0
0
Mr Smile said:
Shoot em up most awesome messy retarded movie ever

man finds pregnant woman
(carrot through bad mans head)
fire fight

woman dead man left holding baby

goes to brothel to give baby to prostitute

man baby and prostitute go on adventure together

naked fire fight

evil guy trys to kill baby to kill politisoin

fire fight

baby and prostetute go live in a tank

fire fight

man kill politisoin jump out plane

mid-air fire fight

man blows docters face off

man blows evil guys innards out

man prostitute and baby live happily ever after

the end
what's a politisoin?
 

ultracheeser

New member
Jul 2, 2009
348
0
0
Haunted Serenity said:
The Departed...i could't understand why my mother recomened me to watch it...
I enjoyed that movie. It was really well done. I had to rent it, because I would always catch the last bit of the movie.
 

whycantibelinus

New member
Sep 29, 2009
997
0
0
Onyx Oblivion said:
what the fuck do Link and Mario keep saving the fucking princess for?
Well Link is restoring balance to nature and preventing world domination by an evil genius. Mario, on the other hand, is simply looking to get laid while Bowser is depriving him of his live in pussy.

Both noble goals in my opinion.
 

Avatar Roku

New member
Jul 9, 2008
6,169
0
0
ElephantGuts said:
orannis62 said:
As I said, the storytelling left quite a bit to be desired, all I was saying was that, after some analysis, the story isn't that bad. I'll use spoilers as well.
You forget, Makarov was an Ultranationalist, who control the Russian government at the time. I'm not going to say the government was likely thrilled about his attack on the airport, but Makarov basically left them with two options: tell the world that a member of their camp led a heinous assault on their own airport, or use Allen as an out. Even if the Russian government knows it really wasn't America's fault, public furor would basically ensure that they had to invade. Hell, it's even possible that they ordered Makarov to do it, wanting a pretext to invade the US (again, these are the Ultranationalists from the first game).

As for the Captain Price thing, he launched a nuke so that the EM pulse would knock out the Russian's advance (nukes are the most efficient man-made way of creating EMP, and a high altitude detonation would leave no fallout). Think about it: they now have no vehicles and are knee-deep in enemy territory. Their defeat would be a matter of when, not if. As for the Russians in the other part of the country, there were none. They only attacked DC and the areas around it, what we see in the brief before the first mission in America was them using the ACS module (more on that below) for a diversion, essentially shutting down the American recon sats.

The ACS module was something from a crashed American recon sat which had been recovered by the Russians. Essentially, it would give access to the American sat network, meaning it had to be recovered (which is what happened in Cliffhanger). However, one of two things happened: Either the Russians copied the module before it was stolen (the original theory put forth when the invasion started) or, more likely, it was just handed straight back to them by Shepherd.

Rojas (the arms dealer) told 141 about the prisoner who Makarov hated in the Gulag. A little anti-climactic, but it still works.

If TvTropes is to be believed, the general consensus is that Raptor is the President. They were quite adamant about protecting him, and it's possible to get a slight glance at him which supports it.

We aren't told who the man in the safe house is, but he was there for two reasons. 1)The men who killed him had tattoos just like the ones Allen had to get before No Russian. Therefore, it's implied that they were Makarov's personal men. 2)There was no sign of forced entry. This hints at Shepherd's involvement.

As for the invasion, I think we can chalk that up to Willing Suspension of Disbelief.

141 were loose ends. They would likely figure out Shepard's involvement from his next moves and, as Price demonstrated in the mission where he launches the nuke, they can get around just fine without him. From his perspective, they were more trouble than they were worth, especially since he had Shadow Company. And yes, it's mentioned in one of the early missions (in passing, but still) that they are his personal troops.

I assume you noticed the large cliffhanger at the end, right? Well, seems to me that Makarov is being set up as the Big Bad for MW3. As for why they go after Shepherd instead of him, his was the more immediate threat, the plan already in motion.
Oh wow. You seem to have figured out a lot more than me. Did I just miss all that (things like the ACS module's explanation, Raptor being implied to be the president, Rojas telling about 141, etc.) in the game or did you find them out somewhere else?

And I doubt the Russians didn't want to portray Makarov in a "bad" light since he was already a known devious terrorist, but I guess if IW says being a Russian Ultranationalist means having an overpowerering hunger for American blood I can't fight that.

But I don't understand the deal with Shepherd. Exactly what was he trying to do? What "involvement" was he doing? I couldn't have missed that much in the game. And I suppose Makarov was left to be dealt with in the next game, but I feel like they should have alluded to it more. He just exits with a random line of dialogue, and then you kill Shepherd and it seems like you won, with no mention of Makarov again. I suppose I'll just chalk that up to bad presentation as you said.
The ACS Module and Rojas telling Soap about the Gulag were explicitly mentioned in-game, I just read about Raptor seeming to be the President on TvTropes, and that entire explanation about No Russian was just balls-out speculation.

As I said, my explanation of No Russian was all extrapolation, although I agree that it's a little weak to have the entire motivation of the Big Bad as "he belongs to this faction."

As for Shepherd, there were several reasons. First, he wanted power, in the form of the "blank check" that was given to him to deal with Makarov. Don't think I have to explain that one too much. Second, he had wanted to go to war with Russia ever since the nuke (which killed a lot of his men) from the first game was traced back to Russia. This also leads to his "involvement": he and Makarov shared something of a common goal, in that they wanted their respective countries to be at war with one another. So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
 

Aerodyamic

New member
Aug 14, 2009
1,205
0
0
The first time I watch the original Heavy Metal movie, I just didn't get it. Having watched it without any perception-altering chemicals might have been the problem, but the second time through, it made complete sense.

There was also some right screwed up movie about raves,people trying to make quick cash selling Extasy, and some broad accidentally running over her (former) Extasy dealing, right at the end. Basically, the story showed what I thought was a flashback of him getting run over, then suddenly started telling the stories of a bunch of (supposedly) unconnected people, and how the events on that day led to this girl running the drug dealer over.

Fucked. Right. Up.
 

Rawker

New member
Jun 24, 2009
1,115
0
0
The Shining. I liked it, because there were some memorable quotes, but were there ghosts? were they crazy? who knows, please tell..
 

wax88

New member
Sep 10, 2009
226
0
0
Haunted Serenity said:
The Departed...i could't understand why my mother recomened me to watch it...
then should watch the original version from which that movie is based on. It's a hong kong flick called infernal affairs and trust me, it was better. just as long as you're ok with reading subtitles.
 

ElephantGuts

New member
Jul 9, 2008
3,520
0
0
orannis62 said:
So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
Did it say that all in-game?? Or is it speculation? I must have missed the description of the ACS module in-game too.

Damn, now I need to play through that again. It's true I only have 1 1/2 times so I guess it makes sense I missed so much.
 

Wayte

New member
Oct 21, 2009
520
0
0
Onyx Oblivion said:
what the fuck do Link and Mario keep saving the fucking princess for?

Zelda at least starts making a good(depending on taste) story out of it. Yes its repetitive after the 10th game, but it's better than mario's tard princess and not-so-bad bad guy.
 

Avatar Roku

New member
Jul 9, 2008
6,169
0
0
ElephantGuts said:
orannis62 said:
So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
Did it say that all in-game?? Or is it speculation? I must have missed the description of the ACS module in-game too.

Damn, now I need to play through that again. It's true I only have 1 1/2 times so I guess it makes sense I missed so much.
It's not all stated explicitly, it's just from putting together a bunch of clues.
Really, Shepherd hinted at his motives multiple times, but they all seem too minor for them to be his reasons until you put them all together as I did above. Anyway, evidence is:

-At the end, when Shepherd's about to kill you. "5 years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye...and the world just fucking watched"
-Just after Price launches the nuke, but before it hits, Shepherd and the Secretary of Defense are talking and, quite reasonably, assume the nuke is coming to destroy Washington. SecDef says "Shepherd, you were right. We should have listened", hinting at Shepherd originally wanting to go to war due to the above point. He then goes on to promise Shepherd a "blank check" to take down Makarov.
-I actually forgot to mention this part of his motive above, but just after the quote from the first point: "Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of volunteers. No shortage of patriots".
-After he takes the hard drive from Roach, but just before shooting him. "Well, that's one more loose end". That shows his attitude to 141, if nothing else.

The rest is sort of common sense. I mean, with all the references to Shepherd betraying Makarov, it would have to mean they were partners before, right? Therefore, the Russians getting the ACS module necessary to their plans back and, especially, him tipping off Makarov to the fact that Allen had infiltrated his organization under Shepherd's orders.
 

ElephantGuts

New member
Jul 9, 2008
3,520
0
0
orannis62 said:
ElephantGuts said:
orannis62 said:
So, Shepherd gave the Russians back the ACS module, told Makarov about Allen, and possibly more that we aren't told about (that partnership also explains why Makarov knew where to find Shepherd at the end when Price called him). And it was all there in the hard drive Roach was carrying when he was killed. He couldn't risk that getting out, and as I explained above, he probably felt he didn't need 141 anymore since he had Shadow Company.
Did it say that all in-game?? Or is it speculation? I must have missed the description of the ACS module in-game too.

Damn, now I need to play through that again. It's true I only have 1 1/2 times so I guess it makes sense I missed so much.
It's not all stated explicitly, it's just from putting together a bunch of clues.
Really, Shepherd hinted at his motives multiple times, but they all seem too minor for them to be his reasons until you put them all together as I did above. Anyway, evidence is:

-At the end, when Shepherd's about to kill you. "5 years ago, I lost 30,000 men in the blink of an eye...and the world just fucking watched"
-Just after Price launches the nuke, but before it hits, Shepherd and the Secretary of Defense are talking and, quite reasonably, assume the nuke is coming to destroy Washington. SecDef says "Shepherd, you were right. We should have listened", hinting at Shepherd originally wanting to go to war due to the above point. He then goes on to promise Shepherd a "blank check" to take down Makarov.
-I actually forgot to mention this part of his motive above, but just after the quote from the first point: "Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of volunteers. No shortage of patriots".
-After he takes the hard drive from Roach, but just before shooting him. "Well, that's one more loose end". That shows his attitude to 141, if nothing else.

The rest is sort of common sense. I mean, with all the references to Shepherd betraying Makarov, it would have to mean they were partners before, right? Therefore, the Russians getting the ACS module necessary to their plans back and, especially, him tipping off Makarov to the fact that Allen had infiltrated his organization under Shepherd's orders.
Hmm, it's all starting to come together now. I have a lot more respect for MW2's story than I had before. It's a shame most of the people who play the game won't get all this, seeing as most of them are kids. But then again, I suppose they don't care.
 

Guy32

New member
Jan 4, 2009
743
0
0
Gildan Bladeborn said:
Guy32 said:
Gildan Bladeborn said:
Haunted Serenity said:
The Departed...i could't understand why my mother recomened me to watch it...
Wait... how did that not make sense? Say what you like about The Departed (personally I loved it and was quite happy to see a movie that was actually entertaining win Best Picture again after years or boring arthouse 'message' films winning), but it was hardly difficult to follow. Unless you meant you just didn't like it and can't make sense of why your mother did?
I thought it was a good movie, but the two brothers looked really similar. Thus I got confused. I'd probably be able to follow it if I watched it again.
... What brothers? I'm pretty sure one of us is confused because I don't remember any of the characters in The Departed being related to one another - methinks you're thinking of a different film entirely. The one I'm talking about is the 2006 Scorsese crime drama.
I know they weren't brothers, but Damon and DiCaprio's characters both met the same guy when they were younger and he became like a father figure to them if I remember correctly - then one grows up becomes a cop and one joins the mafia. I saw it a few years ago and I don't really remember the details of the movie, but were thinking of the same thing.