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Booze Zombie

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No, this thread isn't about Yahtzee hating on web comics.

Really? Then let's make sure our title reflects that, shall we? Thanks! - /mod.
It is in fact about something I've begun noticing in the videos and web comics I browse.

Okay, I distinctly remember Yahtzee saying in a video "It's like the game has Asperger's syndrome" and the game being distracted by a coin, as if this were some how related to Asperger's syndrome.

Then I'm browsing Penny Arcade and I'm flicking through the pages (well, clicking) and I notice a page about that boy who built cardboard Halo guns, Tycho then making a "joke" about the child having autism.

Two quotes from Wikipedia here, to clarify what Autism and Asperger's Syndrome are:

"The manifestations of autism cover a wide spectrum, ranging from individuals with severe impairments?who may be silent, mentally disabled, and locked into hand flapping and rocking to less impaired individuals who may have active but distinctly odd social approaches, narrowly focused interests, and verbose, pedantic communication. Sometimes the syndrome is divided into low-, medium- and high-functioning autism (LFA, MFA, and HFA), based on IQ thresholds, or on how much support the individual requires in daily life; these subdivisions are not standardized and are controversial. Autism can also be divided into syndromal and non-syndromal autism, where the former is associated with severe or profound mental retardation or a congenital syndrome with physical symptoms, such as tuberous sclerosis. Although individuals with Asperger's tend to perform better cognitively than those with autism, the extent of the overlap between Asperger's, HFA, and non-syndromal autism is unclear."

"Asperger syndrome is one of the autism spectrum disorders (ASD) or pervasive developmental disorders (PDD), which are a spectrum of psychological conditions that are characterized by abnormalities of social interaction and communication that pervade the individual's functioning, and by restricted and repetitive interests and behavior. Like other psychological development disorders, ASD begins in infancy or childhood, has a steady course without remission or relapse, and has impairments that result from maturation-related changes in various systems of the brain. ASD, in turn, is a subset of the broader autism phenotype (BAP), which describes individuals who may not have ASD but do have autistic-like traits, such as social deficits. Of the other four ASD forms, autism is the most similar to AS in signs and likely causes but its diagnosis requires impaired communication and allows delay in cognitive development; Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder share several signs with autism, but may have unrelated causes; and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS) is diagnosed when the criteria for a more specific disorder are unmet. The extent of the overlap between AS and high-functioning autism (HFA?autism unaccompanied by mental retardation) is unclear. The current ASD classification may not reflect the true nature of the conditions."

Now, the thing that I mentioned noticing in my preferred forms of Internet entertainment is in fact the mocking of people like me, the INCORRECT mocking of people like me, no less.

I am not distracted by shiny things, nor do I believe building mock-ups of Halo 3 guns to be "cool". I feel like people on the Autistic Spectrum are just being insulted for the sheer hell of it by people who fucking well don't care what Autism or Asperger's Syndrome actually is.

It's quite infuriating. I was wondering if anyone else noticed this strange phenomena of people randomly insulting people on the Autistic Spectrum?
 

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I have Asperger's Syndrome as well, what you seem to be trying to define is a Spectrum of 'disorders' that cannot be clearly defined. Personally unless I really put my mind to something I can get quite easily distracted.

The Halo Guns webcomic could probably be seen as an obsession, which can be related to Asperger's and other ASD's.

Although I'll agree, the negative portrayals by some ignorant fools (my original thought was shorter and more fruity, but I'll not say it for the sake of decency) are annoying.
 

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Same here, and certifiably too, I'd hang that up only I don't consider it something to be -proud- of, but neither am I ashamed...actually, it never really comes up. It's just, part of my life and dealt with as such.

Still...I don't know, but I think the negative attitude about it stems from...well, people who may or may not actually have Autism or Aspergers acting like complete dicks on the net. Actually, any mention of such things seems to be or is seen as a form of attention grabbing, when the people who actually do have these kinds of problems wouldn't ordinarily draw attention to the fact. Just a thought though.
 

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AmrasCalmacil said:
I don't know, wouldn't someone who is addicted to games (thus being a "game aspie") find Halo to be below average and not enjoy it? And yes, I can be distracted... but it's usually something not as small and useless as a coin. A beautiful woman in a short skirt or the release date for Duke Nukem Forver, for instance.
 

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Booze Zombie said:
And yes, I can be distracted... but it's usually something not as small and useless as a coin. A beautiful woman in a short skirt or the release date for Duke Nukem Forver, for instance.
The latter is far more useless than a shiny coin.

-- Alex
 

AmrasCalmacil

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Coins aren't useless.

We all have different tastes in games really. I don't really like Halo but judging by the amount of gibbering fans some people do. Some people are obviously crazy and think the companion cube has feelings whereas I name it Hugo Chavez and then destroy it callously. I think I kind of lost my point with this, but maybe that demonstrates a point in it's own way.
Anyway, yeah, we all have different tastes in things, mental conditions or no.
 

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I think that autism is still something that's hard to recognize, and therefore confusion spouts. I was a camp counselor for the Cub Scout's summer day camp program and I kept running into kids who had "autism" marked on the medical section of their chart, but all of them acted differently because of it. I didn't know which way was up with trying to define what autism was, and no matter how much I googled it, I still couldn't find a clear definition of "this is how an autistic kid will act." I think that because of that, a lot of people will get confused as to what it is and how a person with autism will act. Do I make sense?

But I do agree that if you don't understand it, you shouldn't use it as the butt of a joke. People do the same thing confusing ADD and ADHD when they make jokes about them.
 

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From poking around his site when I'm bored and by looking into things I personally think that Yahtzee himself displays some quirks that could be labelled as autistic.

Blaze - (Un)interestingly enough there's a small poster outside the SEN room in my School where I have lessons which has behaviour most commonly attributed to an ASD (Ritualistic behaviour and general social repression) illustrated on it.
 
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BlazeTheVampire said:
I think that autism is still something that's hard to recognize, and therefore confusion spouts. I was a camp counselor for the Cub Scout's summer day camp program and I kept running into kids who had "autism" marked on the medical section of their chart, but all of them acted differently because of it. I didn't know which way was up with trying to define what autism was, and no matter how much I googled it, I still couldn't find a clear definition of "this is how an autistic kid will act." I think that because of that, a lot of people will get confused as to what it is and how a person with autism will act. Do I make sense?
Autism is a little bit of a catch-all diagnosis for inability to cope with change. Autistics need to have a set routine and have very little empathy towards others (which is why it's lesser cousin, Aspergers, tends to be attributed to any kid with ADD/ADHD/Just plain being a kid.

Autistics themselves are usually quite normal and docile, if overwhelming; but they can be flared to extreme emotions by things that confuse them, especially emotions, as they can't understand why people act in that way. Rapid change, like Christmas, activates their condition and they will try to flee/fight the source of the 'strange emotions'.

As a rough approximation, imagine every sudden show of emotion to be congruous to a zombie attack, and you've basically got it.
 

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Yeah, but I'd like to think that I'm a pretty intelligent person, and if I couldn't recognize a pattern and understand autism (and who is mistakenly diagnosed with it), I refuse to believe that the common population can.

Keep in mind that my entire story is in the PAST tense, please. I don't need a thousand explanations as to what it is anymore, I've caught on since then. That was two years ago.

But as you said, it becomes a catch-all phrase and is mistakenly used a hell of a lot, so the common person isn't able to distinguish actual autism from someone exaggerating or being misdiagnosed. It just ends in confusion, which happens with a lot of disorders, not just Autism or ADD.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Autistics themselves are usually quite normal and docile, if overwhelming; but they can be flared to extreme emotions by things that confuse them, especially emotions, as they can't understand why people act in that way. Rapid change, like Christmas, activates their condition and they will try to flee/fight the source of the 'strange emotions'.
Is Richard Attenborough hiding in the bushes with a film crew?
 
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AmrasCalmacil said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Autistics themselves are usually quite normal and docile, if overwhelming; but they can be flared to extreme emotions by things that confuse them, especially emotions, as they can't understand why people act in that way. Rapid change, like Christmas, activates their condition and they will try to flee/fight the source of the 'strange emotions'.
Is Richard Attenborough hiding in the bushes with a film crew?
Heh, diagnosed 20 years ago with Aspergers. I learnt quite a bit.

Sorry if it sounded like I was talking over you Blaze, I was trying to explain it in layman's terms.

Most people, if they know Autism at all, liken it to "Rain Man" (Which was actually an autistic savant, most of us don't have that level of power (although it also affects colour-blind people...))
The few who have read "The Curious Incident of the Dog at Midnight", have a better understanding.

I'm not so sure it is a real problem though, as the "Autism" crack, is just a trope along the same lines as "It's like [thing] on [drugs]".(LSD if it's 'wacky', Speed if it's manic)

There's still no real way to determine how an Autistic will react, anymore than there's a way to determine how any stressful situation will affect someone.

The real kicker is that the low-level stereotypes are how a lot of us learn where they stereotypes differ from normal life, and in Autistics, they often get stuck fast on the stereotypes. By declaring all of the 'types "unrealistic" and "offensive", you're actually making things harder for them to learn.

How are you going to tell a AS sufferer that "All Strangers are Dangerous" when they're, quite rightly, going to question the use of 'all'?
 

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I appreciate it when it's aimed at the scores of inept thickcicles who happen upon the wikipedia entries for Autism and Asperger's Syndrome and then self-diagnose themselves with it.
 

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I read the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time shortly after I was diagnosed last november.

Hyatari - I think the point is it's prejudiced towards actual ASD "Sufferers"
 

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Odd how I would never have guessed this thread was about Asperger's from reading the original title. It's almost as if ... gasp ... you used the word "Yahtzee" to attract attention - like a girl shouting "blowjob" in a crowded theater.

I mean, if you'd called it "Yahtzee and Asperger's" even, that might have been OK. Maybe. Anyway, I changed it for you. Thank me later.
 

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AmrasCalmacil said:
I read the Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night Time shortly after I was diagnosed last november.

Hyatari - I think the point is it's prejudiced towards actual ASD "Sufferers"
I gathered that, I was just stating that when it's aimed at the socially inept popular crowd, it's good.
 

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Russ Pitts said:
Odd how I would never have guessed this thread was about Asperger's from reading the original title. It's almost as if ... gasp ... you used the word "Yahtzee" to attract attention - like a girl shouting "blowjob" in a crowded theater.

I mean, if you'd called it "Yahtzee and Asperger's" even, that might have been OK. Maybe. Anyway, I changed it for you. Thank me later.
Or it's as if I have *Gasp* Asperger's Syndrome and this is can be explained as a result of one of my traits.

"Three aspects of communication patterns are of clinical interest: poor prosody, tangential and circumstantial speech, and marked verbosity. Although inflection and intonation may be less rigid or monotonic than in autism, people with AS often have a limited range of intonation; speech may be unusually fast, jerky or loud. Speech may convey a sense of incoherence; the conversational style often includes monologues about topics that bore the listener, fails to provide context for comments, or fails to suppress internal thoughts. Individuals with AS may fail to monitor whether the listener is interested or engaged in the conversation. The speaker's conclusion or point may never be made, and attempts by the listener to elaborate on the speech's content or logic, or to shift to related topics, are often unsuccessful."

I would like it known that I DID NOT make that title to draw attention to my thread.
I'm a poor title maker and any titles I make normally represent a quick thought I'm having before I've actually gotten into making my post. For instance, at the time I was thinking about how Yahtzee and Penny Arcade seemed to revel in the mocking of my kind.
 

Russ Pitts

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Fair enough, Booze.

And now that we've both made our points, I'd ask that you strive to be better at making thread titles, I'll promise to try to be more sensitive to the plight of the Asperger's-inflicted and we'll both move on, leave this squabble behind us and lead happy, fruitful lives, 'kay? ;)

Thread resume. /mod.
 

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I have Asperges Syndrome and I won't say much since I am trying to think of a good post about it but my brain is fried and everything I tried to type turned out to be a mess...so I'll just read what others put down. Also I do find it a little insulting people use the two disorders for jokes...kinda cruel if you ask me.
 

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death13245 said:
I have Asperges Syndrome and I won't say much since I am trying to think of a good post about it but my brain is fried and everything I tried to type turned out to be a mess...so I'll just read what others put down. Also I do find it a little insulting people use the two disorders for jokes...kinda cruel if you ask me.
Yeah, well people around here use "gay" and "retarded" as synonyms for stupid, and people use "dumb" as a synonym all the time, when in fact it means "unable to speak".

My point is, don't worry, everybody gets equally insulted. It's far from limited to Autism and Asperger's Syndrome.