THQ Impressed by 3DS Anti-Piracy Tech

[infinity_turtles]

Why are you being a dick? You're cutting into a discussion which was resolved earlier, demanding to multiple people that YOU ARE RIGHT and I AM WRONG. Can't you just accept that I disagree with something you don't? "THE HOLE IN YOUR LOGIC IS STAGGERING." Who are you to say that to someone, really?

Thanks, but I'm willing to reply to anyone who thinks they've found a flaw in my logic. I do enjoy a good argument, even if it's fundamentally pointless. The last bit is quite right though, and I would however appreciate it if they realized that just because their issue may not have been addressed yet, doesn't mean my logic doesn't cover it.

1) Don't thank me. I'm not your buddy, and I haven't done you a favour. It's smarmy.
2) I never said there was a flaw in your precious logic, although if it would irk you so much go back to the chess board, where everything is done in absolutes.
3) We're not arguing yet. An argument has two sides making valid points. What you're doing is bitching to people because you don't agree with them.
4) Unnecessary use of "fundamentally" to sound smart.
5) The whole of it was right, as it's my opinion, is subjective to me and therefore cannot be right or wrong.
6) The issue was addressed by the person I was talking to, who, interestingly enough, wasn't you. We reached a reasonable conclusion like civilized people who understand others feel differently about things.
7) Your "logic" hasn't actually been explained, and I don't care to hear it. Going around swanning about your "logic," which none of us have any inkling of (as we don't know you) and acting like it's some high commandment you live your life by makes you come across as a fourteen-year-old boy who thinks he knows something more than the rest of us because he can spell a few long words.

I think you're mistaking me for Kwil, when I'm the other person Kwil quoted. The one he said's logic had a staggering hole.

 

[Canid117]

When will companies learn that antagonizing pirates is never a good idea?

 

[Timbydude]

Real statistics are actually showing that piracy improves sales

Oooooooh, can I see? Please?

OT: If they make good anti-piracy tech, thank God. This sense of entitlement that people feel because they don't want to pay for their product is just plain annoying.

 

[ZeroAE]

Things to do before I die:
Start a discusion in a forum CHECK
By Murdoc , calm down , prices are way overpriced in Chile (my country)
Iron Man 2 , for Xbox 360?
USA: 60$ Chile:120$
12 Month Live Xbox
USA:4O$ Chile:80$
And I cant buy games on demand on my Xbox!
And how many DS cartridges would I carry!
See how gaming is so hard here?

 

[ark123]

instead of reality, which is "Right now we have a ridiculous amount of money pouring in, but it could be a money tsunami, and we feel that being billionaires just isn't enough"

You trying to justify the piracy with this ?

No, I'm pointing out something entirely different. No part of my post indicates that I think pirating is right. Are you trying to troll?

 

[infinity_turtles]

I think you're mistaking me for Kwil, when I'm the other person Kwil quoted. The one he said's logic had a staggering hole.

God, I'm a dick. =]

No worries. I had a good laugh.

 

[Timbydude]

Things to do before I die:
Start a discusion in a forum CHECK
By Murdoc , calm down , prices are way overpriced in Chile (my country)
Iron Man 2 , for Xbox 360?
USA: 60$ Chile:120$
12 Month Live Xbox
USA:4O$ Chile:80$
And I cant buy games on demand on my Xbox!
And how many DS cartridges would I carry!
See how gaming is so hard here?

But...I don't understand your logic with the DS cartridges. Everyone has to carry as many as they want to play. I bring a box full of them with me to college. It's not that tough.

Honestly, you're still maintaining that your right to play video games outweighs the creator's right to be properly compensated for their work. The extra money you pay in Chile also goes to the wages of the people responsible for shipping that game to your country. The price you pay is justified, whether you choose to believe it or not.

And you say that gaming is "hard" there? Do you think that developing a game and not getting as much money as you deserve isn't "hard"? When 2D Boy reported a 90%+ piracy rate for World of Goo, do you think that might have been a little "hard" for them?

My point is that if you can't afford it, you can't play it. That's just a part of life.

 

[tthor]

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Better question, if someone pirates something they can't afford, who does it hurt? If they can't afford it, they could have never bought it, so it isn't a lost sale. It's not a physical product, so copying it doesn't make it so the developers can't sell that copy. So the only problem someone can have with someone pirating something they can't afford is that they haven't "earned" it. I think that's pretty selfish, especially if you consider higher prices and/or lower pay in certain areas making someone who's worked the same job just as hard in a different area having significantly less than you.

While you are right that in said case no one is losing anything it doesn't make it anymore justified.

I don't think anyone needs to justify actions that cause no harm. It's simply a neutral action. Neither right nor wrong.

now, a person could afford to buy a game if you really want to, they could even *GASP* save up money. but the thought that pirating the game would not only be free but be OK would keep those people from saving money.

 

[Kouen]

If piracy is caused by people by putting up the game on the internet for download why don't the game companies flood the internet with fake unplayable versions of the game. So many that many people won't be able to, or find it very hard to find a real version.

The likelyhood of this happening is slim and would be more hassle than profitable but that is just a thought that runs through my head.

TBH they should go after the uploaders rather than downloaders. nip it in the bud so to say

 

[infinity_turtles]

snip

Better question, if someone pirates something they can't afford, who does it hurt? If they can't afford it, they could have never bought it, so it isn't a lost sale. It's not a physical product, so copying it doesn't make it so the developers can't sell that copy. So the only problem someone can have with someone pirating something they can't afford is that they haven't "earned" it. I think that's pretty selfish, especially if you consider higher prices and/or lower pay in certain areas making someone who's worked the same job just as hard in a different area having significantly less than you.

While you are right that in said case no one is losing anything it doesn't make it anymore justified.

I don't think anyone needs to justify actions that cause no harm. It's simply a neutral action. Neither right nor wrong.

now, a person could afford to buy a game if you really want to, they could even *GASP* save up money. but the thought that pirating the game would not only be free but be OK would keep those people from saving money.

So, it's immoral for someone who would never buy a game to pirate it because they would buy it?

 

[ZeroAE]

Things to do before I die:
Start a discusion in a forum CHECK
By Murdoc , calm down , prices are way overpriced in Chile (my country)
Iron Man 2 , for Xbox 360?
USA: 60$ Chile:120$
12 Month Live Xbox
USA:4O$ Chile:80$
And I cant buy games on demand on my Xbox!
And how many DS cartridges would I carry!
See how gaming is so hard here?

But...I don't understand your logic with the DS cartridges. Everyone has to carry as many as they want to play. I bring a box full of them with me to college. It's not that tough.

Honestly, you're still maintaining that your right to play video games outweighs the creator's right to be properly compensated for their work. The extra money you pay in Chile also goes to the wages of the people responsible for shipping that game to your country. The price you pay is justified, whether you choose to believe it or not.
And you say that gaming is "hard" there? Do you think that developing a game and not getting as much money as you deserve isn't "hard"? When 2D Boy reported a 90%+ piracy rate for World of Goo, do you think that might have been a little "hard" for them?

My point is that if you can't afford it, you can't play it. That's just a part of life.

Importing a game doesnt cost 60$. Maybe a sofa , or a big TV , but not a game.
I accept that games cost slighty more than USA , but not the DOUBLE!
And about the cartradges..well..that was a poor excuse , Im sorry , you win in that

 

[Asehujiko]

So long it combats piracy long enough, I am all for it. Also, I am for creative DRM that will impair their gaming in an embarresing and humilating way.

Name "Iron Lore" rings any bells? They did exactly that and in doing so flooded their forums with self-inflicted false positives from their drm, driving away a huge amount of customers, which resulted in THQ firing half of them. It's a fucking stupid idea if you aren't locked in the mindset of "must mildly inconvenience pirates, no matter the cost".

Then there's also the "little" side effect that DRM is by no means guaranteed to not attack legal customers, as the non-functional copy of Titan Quest in my Steam list can attest and the more obnoxious designs are also more obnoxious for the unintended victim.

 

[tthor]

snip

Better question, if someone pirates something they can't afford, who does it hurt? If they can't afford it, they could have never bought it, so it isn't a lost sale. It's not a physical product, so copying it doesn't make it so the developers can't sell that copy. So the only problem someone can have with someone pirating something they can't afford is that they haven't "earned" it. I think that's pretty selfish, especially if you consider higher prices and/or lower pay in certain areas making someone who's worked the same job just as hard in a different area having significantly less than you.

While you are right that in said case no one is losing anything it doesn't make it anymore justified.

I don't think anyone needs to justify actions that cause no harm. It's simply a neutral action. Neither right nor wrong.

now, a person could afford to buy a game if you really want to, they could even *GASP* save up money. but the thought that pirating the game would not only be free but be OK would keep those people from saving money.

So, it's immoral for someone who would never buy a game to pirate it because they would buy it?

its immoral because its not impossible for them to buy it, and pirating it creates a unhealthy view of the topic. however, if something like the game is physically unavailable to you, short of going on a 2 day roadtrip in search of it to find it, then pirating the game isn't that bad

 

[Danpascooch]

One thing is for sure, emulators on computer are at least going to be a lot less popular, considering they won't be able to do the whole 3D thing.