The Batman Beyond six issue comic miniseries starts next month I believe, plus Superman/Batman annual #4 will also expand on Batman Beyond so if you have access to a comic book shop I'd reccomend getting either/both of those.Saarai-fan said:
Three Reasons for Robin
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So here's the idea I had and how I see Batman gaining at least a temporary non-Robin ally. I haven't worked out how exactly it will play out in the end, but I wanted Bruce's internal conflict to shift from Batman as hero or villain symbol for Gotham more to how he balances his skills as Bruce Wayne, billionaire businessman, and the Batman, and for him to see that Gotham needs both in order to prosper.
WHERE THE STORY LEFT OFF: Batman has been finding himself in various amounts of trouble on all sides. Powerful forces on both sides of the law wish to gun him down. Harvey Dent, now known as Two-Face, continues to pursue his deranged sense of justice by chance, despite Batman?s and Bruce Wayne?s calls for him to stop. Batman regularly prevents Dent from causing further damage, but sometimes must again take the fall for him.
IDEA: Villains: The Penguin, Mr. Freeze ?Ally?: Catwoman
PLOTLINE: The loss of the Joker, Falconi and various other crime lords has left an economic vacuum in the city, as city government has continually failed to provide for the needs of those who had once, even reluctantly, relied on the black market. An economic crisis has befallen the city, fueled by the destruction caused by the Joker, but also due to other forces. Both the government and Wayne Enterprises are feeling the crunch. Bruce finds that he has less money than he needs to both protect the city as Batman and be that force the city?s citizens need to come to their financial rescue.
Enter the Penguin. Oswald Cobblepot, a well-known millionaire who made his fortune through crime, decides to step in and attempt to fill the shoes the Joker left behind as the number one crime boss in Gotham. He sees it as a good investment for his future to supply the goons with what they need to kill Batman, in return for loyalty to him. Unlike the Joker, who thrived on chaos and did nothing to help anyone else, the Penguin, as Cobblepot was known for his love of birds and penguin-like appearance in a tuxedo, instead felt that in order to achieve his ends, he must be the one to bring about order in the streets. He would take over Gotham by robbing from the ?rich?, such as banks, businesses that remained wealthy (including Wayne Enterprises), and wealthy individuals, and give to the poor, of course keeping a large percentage of the funds for himself and his circle in order to effectively take control of the city government through bribes and other methods. Of course, this would not exactly be ?giving?, either, hanging favors and predatory loans over the heads of the people of Gotham in order to bring in even more profit and control. This would also aid him in taking out Batman by fighting both a physical and a propaganda offensive against him. If the Penguin supplies the people with what they need, they would despise Batman even more than they already do, seeing him as someone who wants to take away their chance at a decent life along with applying his own sense of ?justice? in the streets. This would only add to Batman?s already-poor image among the populace due to his taking the blame for the murders committed by Two-Face. Anyone supporting Batman in Penguin-controlled neighborhoods would be dealt with by the mobs.
One such person aided by the Penguin was Dr. Victor Fries, a physiologist in Gotham University researching a cure for his wife?s terminal disease. She was being kept alive in a constant cryostasis. Unfortunately, budget cuts due to the economic crisis force the University's board to cut funding for Fries? research. Knowing he needed the funding to keep his wife alive, Fries became desperate. He turned to the Penguin for help, and received it in return for technology that would aid the Penguin in his own dealings. Because Gotham U. is a public university, the government would not allow Fries to continue using the university laboratory to conduct his privately-funded research, especially not with the Penguin?s funds. He would not go quietly, and police had to step in and remove him from his laboratory. The Penguin sent lackeys to help protect Fries. Even Batman joined in at one point, in order to make sure things didn't get out of hand. Unfortunately, during the tussle, an accident occurred. The pipes keeping Fries? wife?s freezing machine cold broke apart. The doctor ran to fix them, but was severely injured and knocked out in the process. Batman rescued Fries and brought him to the hospital, where researchers fitted him with a suit that would keep Fries? body temperature at the cold temp now required to keep him alive. The Penguin, who bribed police to let him see Fries, convinced Fries to blame his wife?s death on Batman and further join the fight against him. So, the villain Mr. Freeze was created.
As the crisis wears on, the city government and Wayne Enterprises continue to take major hits to their public image and their pocketbooks. The Penguin is beating them not necessarily with firepower, but with economics. Now, with freezing technology on their side, there is a new type of danger posed to Batman. How will Bruce make his father proud and bring his company back to a good place in the public eye? How will Batman defeat an enemy whom he had not prepared for, when he may not be able to make the investments necessary to make those preparations? It may take all the skills of both Bruce Wayne and Batman to defeat this new foe.
Though Bruce would have a little help from a surprising source. Selina Kyle comes into the story as a young, driven woman who reminds Bruce of Rachel quite a bit. Unfortunately, the two have a hard time seeing one another. It seems either one of them is never available for sometimes strange and mysterious reasons. Of course, for those who don't know, Selina is Catwoman. She would feature perhaps in one or two meetings between the bat and herself, as a cat burglar taking advantage of the economic mayhem and barely slipping away from the Bat when he tries to catch her. Her biggest intake comes from stealing directly from the Penguin's bank hauls. However, her time with Bruce makes her see exactly the devastation Gotham is in and how the Penguin's predatory practices really aren't making anything better. She decides to make one last heist from the Penguin and steal decisive evidence Bruce needs to threaten the Penguin's empire and hands it over to Batman ?to give to Bruce Wayne?. In the end, Bruce will use his own business and legal skills to take down the Penguin, allowing Batman to focus on Mr. Freeze and take him down.
WHERE THE STORY LEFT OFF: Batman has been finding himself in various amounts of trouble on all sides. Powerful forces on both sides of the law wish to gun him down. Harvey Dent, now known as Two-Face, continues to pursue his deranged sense of justice by chance, despite Batman?s and Bruce Wayne?s calls for him to stop. Batman regularly prevents Dent from causing further damage, but sometimes must again take the fall for him.
IDEA: Villains: The Penguin, Mr. Freeze ?Ally?: Catwoman
PLOTLINE: The loss of the Joker, Falconi and various other crime lords has left an economic vacuum in the city, as city government has continually failed to provide for the needs of those who had once, even reluctantly, relied on the black market. An economic crisis has befallen the city, fueled by the destruction caused by the Joker, but also due to other forces. Both the government and Wayne Enterprises are feeling the crunch. Bruce finds that he has less money than he needs to both protect the city as Batman and be that force the city?s citizens need to come to their financial rescue.
Enter the Penguin. Oswald Cobblepot, a well-known millionaire who made his fortune through crime, decides to step in and attempt to fill the shoes the Joker left behind as the number one crime boss in Gotham. He sees it as a good investment for his future to supply the goons with what they need to kill Batman, in return for loyalty to him. Unlike the Joker, who thrived on chaos and did nothing to help anyone else, the Penguin, as Cobblepot was known for his love of birds and penguin-like appearance in a tuxedo, instead felt that in order to achieve his ends, he must be the one to bring about order in the streets. He would take over Gotham by robbing from the ?rich?, such as banks, businesses that remained wealthy (including Wayne Enterprises), and wealthy individuals, and give to the poor, of course keeping a large percentage of the funds for himself and his circle in order to effectively take control of the city government through bribes and other methods. Of course, this would not exactly be ?giving?, either, hanging favors and predatory loans over the heads of the people of Gotham in order to bring in even more profit and control. This would also aid him in taking out Batman by fighting both a physical and a propaganda offensive against him. If the Penguin supplies the people with what they need, they would despise Batman even more than they already do, seeing him as someone who wants to take away their chance at a decent life along with applying his own sense of ?justice? in the streets. This would only add to Batman?s already-poor image among the populace due to his taking the blame for the murders committed by Two-Face. Anyone supporting Batman in Penguin-controlled neighborhoods would be dealt with by the mobs.
One such person aided by the Penguin was Dr. Victor Fries, a physiologist in Gotham University researching a cure for his wife?s terminal disease. She was being kept alive in a constant cryostasis. Unfortunately, budget cuts due to the economic crisis force the University's board to cut funding for Fries? research. Knowing he needed the funding to keep his wife alive, Fries became desperate. He turned to the Penguin for help, and received it in return for technology that would aid the Penguin in his own dealings. Because Gotham U. is a public university, the government would not allow Fries to continue using the university laboratory to conduct his privately-funded research, especially not with the Penguin?s funds. He would not go quietly, and police had to step in and remove him from his laboratory. The Penguin sent lackeys to help protect Fries. Even Batman joined in at one point, in order to make sure things didn't get out of hand. Unfortunately, during the tussle, an accident occurred. The pipes keeping Fries? wife?s freezing machine cold broke apart. The doctor ran to fix them, but was severely injured and knocked out in the process. Batman rescued Fries and brought him to the hospital, where researchers fitted him with a suit that would keep Fries? body temperature at the cold temp now required to keep him alive. The Penguin, who bribed police to let him see Fries, convinced Fries to blame his wife?s death on Batman and further join the fight against him. So, the villain Mr. Freeze was created.
As the crisis wears on, the city government and Wayne Enterprises continue to take major hits to their public image and their pocketbooks. The Penguin is beating them not necessarily with firepower, but with economics. Now, with freezing technology on their side, there is a new type of danger posed to Batman. How will Bruce make his father proud and bring his company back to a good place in the public eye? How will Batman defeat an enemy whom he had not prepared for, when he may not be able to make the investments necessary to make those preparations? It may take all the skills of both Bruce Wayne and Batman to defeat this new foe.
Though Bruce would have a little help from a surprising source. Selina Kyle comes into the story as a young, driven woman who reminds Bruce of Rachel quite a bit. Unfortunately, the two have a hard time seeing one another. It seems either one of them is never available for sometimes strange and mysterious reasons. Of course, for those who don't know, Selina is Catwoman. She would feature perhaps in one or two meetings between the bat and herself, as a cat burglar taking advantage of the economic mayhem and barely slipping away from the Bat when he tries to catch her. Her biggest intake comes from stealing directly from the Penguin's bank hauls. However, her time with Bruce makes her see exactly the devastation Gotham is in and how the Penguin's predatory practices really aren't making anything better. She decides to make one last heist from the Penguin and steal decisive evidence Bruce needs to threaten the Penguin's empire and hands it over to Batman ?to give to Bruce Wayne?. In the end, Bruce will use his own business and legal skills to take down the Penguin, allowing Batman to focus on Mr. Freeze and take him down.
I've not grown up with the comic scene but I do want to see Robin in one of these Batman movies. Just because I used to be a huge fan of Teen Titans when it was on Carton Network and he was pretty awesome in it.
It'd be the first Robin (Dick Greyson) if they put him, who IS Nightwing when he grows up. But no that'd be a bad idea anyway, even if they somehow put Nightwing and the 2nd Robin in the story, two kids vying for Batmans respect would be silly.KurtzGallahad said:
OT: While I know Robin can exist within gritty Stories (Ie Dark Victory), I find it unlikely that Hollywood would make him gritty, while Nolan did an amazing job with BB and TDK, I just don't trust Hollywood not to pressure him into being too happy for the universe TDK exists in, while I realise that Batman needs something to bring him up from his current situation, I just feel Robin would end up feeling out of place. Although I don't really like Batmans side kicks, I like my Batman gritty and brooding, which most of the time can't happen if Robin is around.
I think Bob is generally on the money, except for one thing, Hit girl is Big daddy's partner, not his side kick. Hell the first time we see her she kicks more ass than the hero, and continues to do so for the rest of the film.
You modify Robin/Batgirl/who ever on that basis, it might actually work.
You modify Robin/Batgirl/who ever on that basis, it might actually work.
To me it sounds like you feel you have a solution, but there is no problem. So you're creating problems in TDK franchise so that you have a solution ready.
As far as I'm concerned Christopher Nolan knows what he is doing. It's his baby, his vision and he has by now proven himself worthy as a film maker. No one has a better track record than this guy at the moment.
So while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'd like to point out that we shouldn't be expecting anything from Nolan. Let's leave him to do the heavy lifting lest we get disappointed prematurely because it's not what we were expecting.
"#1. He Belongs There"
Maybe he does in the comics, but we know that films are a different medium and we've already got so much going on with villains it's hard to get a balance in. I think we should let Nolan decide what belongs where.
"#2. He Makes Sense"
Again this assumes a path is already set for the next Batman. Perhaps the next one is JUST Bruce Wayne redeeming himself through other means. We don't necessarily need an external solution since the problem is internal. We cannot know what makes sense to the director or his writer.
"#3. Dark is Dead"
Noticed how your examples are Marvel studios, Marvel studios, Marvel studios and oh, Marvel studios? I don't think what ONE studio has for a vision should encompass everyone elses' vision. What about Kick Ass? Wasn't that satirical about the disillusionment of "colourful comic capers"? If Nolan wants to give Bruce Wayne a heroin addiction, abusive tendencies and fetish for 8mm (see what I'm saying there?), then so be it. That's HIS vision.
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If WB gave you $100 million to make the sequel to the next Batman, that would be a travesty. Not because you have bad ideas, but because you haven't proven yourself. You haven't made the franchise yours through success. Nolan is definitely not at a stage where the franchise is so bad that it needs reinvention. I trust the next Batman will be amazing with or without Robin. Nolan doesn't NEED Robin, he just needs to be left alone to enjoy making his movie...that is the most important aspect of film making (having fun).
As far as I'm concerned Christopher Nolan knows what he is doing. It's his baby, his vision and he has by now proven himself worthy as a film maker. No one has a better track record than this guy at the moment.
So while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I'd like to point out that we shouldn't be expecting anything from Nolan. Let's leave him to do the heavy lifting lest we get disappointed prematurely because it's not what we were expecting.
"#1. He Belongs There"
Maybe he does in the comics, but we know that films are a different medium and we've already got so much going on with villains it's hard to get a balance in. I think we should let Nolan decide what belongs where.
"#2. He Makes Sense"
Again this assumes a path is already set for the next Batman. Perhaps the next one is JUST Bruce Wayne redeeming himself through other means. We don't necessarily need an external solution since the problem is internal. We cannot know what makes sense to the director or his writer.
"#3. Dark is Dead"
Noticed how your examples are Marvel studios, Marvel studios, Marvel studios and oh, Marvel studios? I don't think what ONE studio has for a vision should encompass everyone elses' vision. What about Kick Ass? Wasn't that satirical about the disillusionment of "colourful comic capers"? If Nolan wants to give Bruce Wayne a heroin addiction, abusive tendencies and fetish for 8mm (see what I'm saying there?), then so be it. That's HIS vision.
Summary:
If WB gave you $100 million to make the sequel to the next Batman, that would be a travesty. Not because you have bad ideas, but because you haven't proven yourself. You haven't made the franchise yours through success. Nolan is definitely not at a stage where the franchise is so bad that it needs reinvention. I trust the next Batman will be amazing with or without Robin. Nolan doesn't NEED Robin, he just needs to be left alone to enjoy making his movie...that is the most important aspect of film making (having fun).
Given that the Nolan films have established Barbra Gordon as being fairly young in the current timeline, I don't think that Batgirl is possible (Yes, I know that she isn't the only Batgirl, but she's the most obvious canidate). That said, I agree with Bob, Robin should have a role in the next Nolan film.
Not a particularly large role, but a good supporting role to play off Batman's darkness. It's a needed counterbalance. So long as Robin isn't over-played, I think that it could work.
My single issue is that the only way I see this working is if they use Dick Greyson as Robin, rather than Jason Todd or Tim Drake (who I consider to be better Robins that Greyson, who I only really think of as Nightwing).
Not a particularly large role, but a good supporting role to play off Batman's darkness. It's a needed counterbalance. So long as Robin isn't over-played, I think that it could work.
My single issue is that the only way I see this working is if they use Dick Greyson as Robin, rather than Jason Todd or Tim Drake (who I consider to be better Robins that Greyson, who I only really think of as Nightwing).
I would rather they use robin to then develop him into "nighthawk" (is that right is that what he is called or is it hawkeye i always get those 2 confused) that way they could focus on the two characters diffenent responses to fighting crime maybe.
So everyone ignored my first post, which is a shame, because I think I had good points. So I figure I'd best go technical with this. I hate to be a ranter, but I am 100 percent positive that putting in Robin would ruin the franchise, and possibly even damage other comic book movies, so I want to make sure I'm heard, so that if/when it happens, I can point to this and say ?I toldja so.?
Problem 1: Time.
Simply put, there is a lot of movie to get through in the third installment. You have to help build Bruce's character, a little Alfred building up, some Gordon, you have to introduce 2 new villains, characterize them, build them up as epic, give them reasons for being psycho and you have to conclude all hanging storylines from the first 2, plus all the action scenes you want. That's MINIMUM, you might want to introduce new characters (more on that in a moment) or throw a new plotline around. That's a lot to do in 2 and half hours. Now add in Robin...
Well this isn't War Machine, we don't have the character lying around to just stick in a suit, there hasn't even been an X2-esque name-dropping. So we have to introduce him, his parents, them owing money on some level, them being murdered, Bruce adopting him, him finding out Bruce is Batman, him deciding to join him, training and his action scenes. That's a good solid hour to 90 minutes right there. Trying to fit that in to what you already have to do in the final installment is going to make the film feel rushed or FAR too long, and odds are you're going to have to skimp somewhere in the plot, causing the ENTIRE thing to suffer.
Problem 2: Logic.
Robin, on a lot of levels, makes VERY little sense. His costume is entirely unsuited to stealth, adopting him is out of character for Batman and taking a minor into battle is a bit immoral (which, if you'll recall, was the point of Hit-Girl in the comic.) You HAVE to reimagine his costume, there is no way around it. But then you've got a problem, because if you change his costumes, hardcore nerds are going to *****, if you don't it's going to look overpoweringly stupid (for reference, see Wolverine's costume in the X-men films, or at least the good ones). And you have to add in Bruce wanting a sidekick of some kind, which is going to make the movie feel even more stretched.
And none of this even addresses that Robin, as a character, is unsuited to the dark feeling of the current movies. For example, having a teenager in red and yellow standing in the corner smart-mouthing during the Joker interrogation scene would have RUINED the scene.
Problem 3: Casting.
Let's cut the crap, shall we? A lot, lot, LOT of teenage actors are either annoying or unsuited to this role and movie and having one of your main characters miscast is almost a death sentence on it's own. I suppose we could pull A Clockwork Orange move and cast a 29 year old guy as a teenager, but that's really just postponing the issue. And even if you get a good actor in his own right, if he doesn't work well with Christian Bale (who, let's face it works best alone), the movie could still go down the shitter.
Feel free to ignore me again if you like, but I don't think it would work very well.
Problem 1: Time.
Simply put, there is a lot of movie to get through in the third installment. You have to help build Bruce's character, a little Alfred building up, some Gordon, you have to introduce 2 new villains, characterize them, build them up as epic, give them reasons for being psycho and you have to conclude all hanging storylines from the first 2, plus all the action scenes you want. That's MINIMUM, you might want to introduce new characters (more on that in a moment) or throw a new plotline around. That's a lot to do in 2 and half hours. Now add in Robin...
Well this isn't War Machine, we don't have the character lying around to just stick in a suit, there hasn't even been an X2-esque name-dropping. So we have to introduce him, his parents, them owing money on some level, them being murdered, Bruce adopting him, him finding out Bruce is Batman, him deciding to join him, training and his action scenes. That's a good solid hour to 90 minutes right there. Trying to fit that in to what you already have to do in the final installment is going to make the film feel rushed or FAR too long, and odds are you're going to have to skimp somewhere in the plot, causing the ENTIRE thing to suffer.
Problem 2: Logic.
Robin, on a lot of levels, makes VERY little sense. His costume is entirely unsuited to stealth, adopting him is out of character for Batman and taking a minor into battle is a bit immoral (which, if you'll recall, was the point of Hit-Girl in the comic.) You HAVE to reimagine his costume, there is no way around it. But then you've got a problem, because if you change his costumes, hardcore nerds are going to *****, if you don't it's going to look overpoweringly stupid (for reference, see Wolverine's costume in the X-men films, or at least the good ones). And you have to add in Bruce wanting a sidekick of some kind, which is going to make the movie feel even more stretched.
And none of this even addresses that Robin, as a character, is unsuited to the dark feeling of the current movies. For example, having a teenager in red and yellow standing in the corner smart-mouthing during the Joker interrogation scene would have RUINED the scene.
Problem 3: Casting.
Let's cut the crap, shall we? A lot, lot, LOT of teenage actors are either annoying or unsuited to this role and movie and having one of your main characters miscast is almost a death sentence on it's own. I suppose we could pull A Clockwork Orange move and cast a 29 year old guy as a teenager, but that's really just postponing the issue. And even if you get a good actor in his own right, if he doesn't work well with Christian Bale (who, let's face it works best alone), the movie could still go down the shitter.
Feel free to ignore me again if you like, but I don't think it would work very well.
Because Batgirl has all of the problems of Robin DOUBLED. And you should only put Ace in the movie if you want to kill the Batman films for a good solid ten years and set back the cause of comic book movies being taken seriously back to Fantastic Four levels. I'm not kidding. Ace in a movie is the single stupidest thing I've heard in recent memory.Dok Zombie said:
Alternately to the whole over-his-issues-now angle:
Nolan has now established batman as 'the dark knight', a figure who is whatever Gotham needs him to be, does whatever it needs him to do, etc etc. What better than a hero who begins to indoctrinate a youth into his lifestyle--living up to the whole 'live long enough to see yourself yadda yadda' bit?
I imagine a Gotham City ten years down the road, where Wayne Enterprises is the new mafia--controlling everything, everyone knows about it, etc. Now that Gotham's financial prospects are fertile ground, foreign interests begin to move in. The Penguin, as a rival entrepreneur.
Meanwhile Batman has evolved into a a symbol of the old city; the weird, the dark, the evil. Bruce Wayne dresses up like Batman and abducts petty thieves from jail--inciting the city to righteous anger against him.
Edward Nigma (change the name to something less golden-age) is brought in as a detective character for the Gotham PD. They need to ACTUALLY find Batman now, and ACTUALLY get rid of him--and The Riddler is the only detective who can crack that particular puzzle.
Fox is gone. Alfred is dead (or dying?) Wayne is getting older, and soon Gotham is going to be without its protector/catharsis, Batman, or its not-so-subtle financial overlord, Wayne Industries. Is this really such a bad thing? We're not sure...
...but Bruce begins to train his young replacement.
This would also be a nice step up in terms of aesthetic. BB was all brown and gritty streets and factories. Dark Knight was dark streets and glass windows. Batman3 is marble floors, penthouses--more of the whole corporate espionage angle.
And so it goes.
Nolan has now established batman as 'the dark knight', a figure who is whatever Gotham needs him to be, does whatever it needs him to do, etc etc. What better than a hero who begins to indoctrinate a youth into his lifestyle--living up to the whole 'live long enough to see yourself yadda yadda' bit?
I imagine a Gotham City ten years down the road, where Wayne Enterprises is the new mafia--controlling everything, everyone knows about it, etc. Now that Gotham's financial prospects are fertile ground, foreign interests begin to move in. The Penguin, as a rival entrepreneur.
Meanwhile Batman has evolved into a a symbol of the old city; the weird, the dark, the evil. Bruce Wayne dresses up like Batman and abducts petty thieves from jail--inciting the city to righteous anger against him.
Edward Nigma (change the name to something less golden-age) is brought in as a detective character for the Gotham PD. They need to ACTUALLY find Batman now, and ACTUALLY get rid of him--and The Riddler is the only detective who can crack that particular puzzle.
Fox is gone. Alfred is dead (or dying?) Wayne is getting older, and soon Gotham is going to be without its protector/catharsis, Batman, or its not-so-subtle financial overlord, Wayne Industries. Is this really such a bad thing? We're not sure...
...but Bruce begins to train his young replacement.
This would also be a nice step up in terms of aesthetic. BB was all brown and gritty streets and factories. Dark Knight was dark streets and glass windows. Batman3 is marble floors, penthouses--more of the whole corporate espionage angle.
And so it goes.
I have nothing against Robin, but he just doesn't work in the mythos Nolan has made for his trilogy plus adding something just to add something is what kept the franchise dead for nearly a decade. Elesar's points unfortunately hit the nail right on the head in that the way Nolan and his team write just doesn't fit with Robin being in there. I can't even seen Knightfall working now that I think of it since Azrael is just a twisted Robin foil. I dunno, Nolan and his boys haven't made a bad movie yet so I have faith.
Really? I believe you Moviebob, but source?MovieBob said:
And given the Dark Knight film, perhaps we will see a new Robin, in the form of Gordon's son. He has seen time on screen and has had some interaction with Batman and directly effected by the villains of Gotham City.
Or
Barbara Gordon has never been shown on screen (As far as i know) and so they are free to cast whoever they want as her if they were to bring in a Batgirl.
Actually you would have seen Barbara at the same time you see Gordon's son; when Two-Face took the Gordon family hostage. All of Gordon's children were young. The third film would have to be at least 7 or 8 years after TDK ends to have a Barbara Gordon old enough to be Batgirl. But that possibility is very much open, so it could happen.brums405 said:
As other people has also mentioned, Dick Grayson (first robin) is the current Batman, which means not having Robin in the batman movies kills any chance of this happening in the movies.
And I want to see a kid about the age of Hit-Girl to be Robin, I feel this could add a sense of depth to the movies.
You mentioned Bucky in your article also. Just like Robin became Batman, Bucky is the new Captain America, so not adding him in the movie would be rather silly. (Considering the awesome movie plots you can make from the Wintersoldier and Captain America Reborn comics)
Marvel is going for a much older Bucky though, and not the teenager he was in the original comics (Much closer to the Ultimates version of Bucky)
But that is why I feel a 11year old Robin could be so cool.
PS:
A bit of a problem for the Batman Movies, and DC based movies as a whole is that they are not overseen as much as the Marvel movies are. So we see a lot of the issues we saw in early Marvel movies, where the director gets to make his own choices to how the movie should be.
That combined with the (what seems to me) an endless supply of Batman reimaginations comics, makes it very hard to tell what is the "correct" Batman movies to make.
Where as the Marvel movies have two comics universes to pick from: Marvel Comics and Ultimate Comics. Anything else is just side stories.
This is why the Avengers movies rock, and why DC based movies will continue to be cool, but not the same as the comics (imo)
And I want to see a kid about the age of Hit-Girl to be Robin, I feel this could add a sense of depth to the movies.
You mentioned Bucky in your article also. Just like Robin became Batman, Bucky is the new Captain America, so not adding him in the movie would be rather silly. (Considering the awesome movie plots you can make from the Wintersoldier and Captain America Reborn comics)
Marvel is going for a much older Bucky though, and not the teenager he was in the original comics (Much closer to the Ultimates version of Bucky)
But that is why I feel a 11year old Robin could be so cool.
PS:
A bit of a problem for the Batman Movies, and DC based movies as a whole is that they are not overseen as much as the Marvel movies are. So we see a lot of the issues we saw in early Marvel movies, where the director gets to make his own choices to how the movie should be.
That combined with the (what seems to me) an endless supply of Batman reimaginations comics, makes it very hard to tell what is the "correct" Batman movies to make.
Where as the Marvel movies have two comics universes to pick from: Marvel Comics and Ultimate Comics. Anything else is just side stories.
This is why the Avengers movies rock, and why DC based movies will continue to be cool, but not the same as the comics (imo)
"So Batman, why am I dressed up in this gaudy costume when we're fighting thugs with guns? Especially as you're always hiding in the shadows with your kevlar armour?"
"No Reason."
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"You'll pay for another Robin, Joker!"
"No Reason."
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"You'll pay for another Robin, Joker!"
I thought TDK had some serious issues in its story structure to begin with and would be quite open to seeing something with Robin in it and a lighter tone instead of another similar film. I recently saw the old Adam West Batman movie for the first time and liked it a lot better than either Burton's or Nolan's films, simply because it was clearly aware that Batman was always a silly idea and decided to have fun with it.
If I recall correctly, only his son was at the scene of the Two Face incident. I know for a fact he is the only one to get any screen time. Barbara might have been on screen, but her face was hidden and she was nothing more than background decoration. I feel like they are purposefully leaving her open for future movies.toriver said:
You people must be on crack if you want Robin in the next Batman movie. What makes Batman special is the villains, and Robin would take a lot of that focus away. Not to mention how, when you look at the way The Dark Knight ended, much Robin would feel crowbarred in. It would be like "Hmm, everyone thinks I just murdered a bunch of cops, and now I'm on the run... I'm going to go look for a sidekick!" Throwing on a sidekick takes away the silent guardian, lone warrior motif. It would just be wrong.