Titanfall Runs at 792p, 60 FPS on Xbox One

[Strazdas]

1440p? Never heard of it. "Nice of you console folks to catch up." Do you realize what an arrogant jerk that makes you sound like? That kind of attitude is what pisses console gamers off about PC gamers. If both sides could stop doing crap like you just did we might all be able to get along for once in our lives.

As for the holo decks I was mostly just joking about that. How can you say holo decks are terrible when they don't even exist. Are you joking when you say brainwave reader or are you serious? In case you haven't noticed I am pretty sure no one in the realm of video games is working on anything even remotely similar to a brainwave reader. Of course the omni track is severely limiting in some cases. Now I'm gonna sound like a jerk here but why don't you try and build a consumer prototype of something like that and have it not be limited. I know I sure as heck can't.

I can't believe this UHD is actually a thing. Can't wait for that come. Now I really will be able to count every blade of grass on the screen because you know that's why I've always wanted. *face palms*

just because you never heard of it does not mean its not popular. I havent heard of Gangnam Style untill it had like 3 billion views on youtube already (its over 11 billion now i hear).
Yes, it does sound like arrogant jerk. What should i ahve said instead? Im terribly sorry your consoles sucked for so long? that wouldnt have sounded any better im afraid. The fact is, PCs have done for two decades what consoles are struggling to do now. It may be hard to swallow, sure, does not mean we should lie to ourselves.

I provided arguments why holodecks, as show in the movies, are terrible. yet you failed to respond to said arguments so i hold my ground of them not working in real life situation for anyone buy people with mansions.
Yes, noone is doing brainwave reader. That is because we only recently did a proof-of-concept protptype where a person was able to move a ball inside a "videogame" with his thoughts. but if were talking holodecs were talking the future right?
I never said i could do better than oculus or that its a bad thing at all. merely that it is very limited in its options of games you can play.

You already can count every blade of grass on your screen, provided you got a PC that can run this level of graphics (costs around 600-700 dollars).

Think of it this way; the best consoles had done is 720p. living room gaming has no other comparrisons unless you have a PC in there, which I don't and I'm assuming not many do judging by some of the comments to Steam Machines.
Now the new consoles are here and a Google search on "1080p next gen consoles" the first 10 results are how next (current) gen is failing to reach 1080p.
So as a console gamer, in the living room, 792p is gonna be ok/good. they've nothing else to compare it to.

Thats my take on it

So your argument is "poor console people have never saw good resolutions so its ok to not give them even standart resolution for paying that much". Sorry, but id rather everyone live better rather than "they never saw better so we can abuse them".

the UHD (UltraHD) that we call 4k is also going to come sooner or later.

You mean the resolution you need more than a 50" screen to even begin to tell the difference? I think that kinda helps the point that we're reaching diminishing returns.

only if your sitting 2 meters from your screen. i for one sit at around half a meter from my screen, at which point UHD is worth it on screens of 20" and higher. Considering that 27" monitors is becoming a standard and for TVs thats closer to 35" and that not everyone has so much space as to sit over 2 meters from their TVs, diminishing returns arent diminishing that fast yet.

I can't wait for PC gamers to swear they can totally tell the difference on a 20 inch screen.

you can if your sitting closer than 0.8 meters to the screen.

Not to mention 20" screens are what you find on laptops, not desktops now.

a quick google search and there aint many PS3 games in 1080p. I'm finding it difficult to find a comprehensive list.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241 may help. scroll to second post where native resolutions are listed.

I don't understand why everyone seems to think that the Xbox One can't run 1080p. Read the last paragraph of the OP, IT CAN.

To everyone saying "My tablet can run 1080p!": Run Titanfall on it and get back to me.

It's an issue of Titanfall being too good for the console, not the console being unable to upscale.

Yes, it runs 1 game on it! One graphically undemanding racing game whose outside-track mdoels were laughed at for being ridiculously poor quality.

Oh, and btw, Titanfall supposedly can run on 360. Tegra K1 gpus in tables are more powerful than 360. Granted, they only came out this year, but they are catching up fast.

60 Frames, CONSISTENTLY, is all I give a damn about, maybe some detail is lost at 720 as opposed to 1080, but playing a smooth ass game even in a hectic mess is all I desire.

the problem is, people report massive FPS drops when titans are invalved

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Think of it this way; the best consoles had done is 720p. living room gaming has no other comparrisons unless you have a PC in there, which I don't and I'm assuming not many do judging by some of the comments to Steam Machines.
Now the new consoles are here and a Google search on "1080p next gen consoles" the first 10 results are how next (current) gen is failing to reach 1080p.
So as a console gamer, in the living room, 792p is gonna be ok/good. they've nothing else to compare it to.

Thats my take on it

So your argument is "poor console people have never saw good resolutions so its ok to not give them even standart resolution for paying that much". Sorry, but id rather everyone live better rather than "they never saw better so we can abuse them".

Personally I research something a lot before dropping that much money in to a purchase.
Ain't like we're depriving the Xbone owners of water here. But anyway, not a "they've never seen better, lets deprive them" more a its all they know, I doubt the majority care. From experience, everytime I try to explain the draw backs of current and last gen, console owners (who are my friends) dont really mind.

I can't wait for PC gamers to swear they can totally tell the difference on a 20 inch screen.

you can if your sitting closer than 0.8 meters to the screen.

exactly, totally agree on this point

a quick google search and there aint many PS3 games in 1080p. I'm finding it difficult to find a comprehensive list.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showthread.php?t=46241 may help. scroll to second post where native resolutions are listed.

thank you, i'll go look
EDIT: just had a quick look, not many 1080 games, infact, I was really chocked by how many were under 720. and very low AA settings indeed

BTW; out of curiosity, what do you play on?

 

[Zac Jovanovic]

If it were PC I'd much rather take 720p at 60 fps than 1080p at 30, not even a contest. But with a controller the input delay doesn't really matter that much so I can see why PS4 is winning even though I don't think it justifies the massive difference in console sales that could end tragically for us all.

I find it somewhat funny that people report massive FPS drops on consoles when that guy said on twitter that new consoles are twice as powerful as a similar PC (I don't remember who he is but it was reported on Escapist).
I'm in the Titanfall beta on PC and the game runs so perfectly smoothly with pretty much everything maxed out in HD even with 1 GPU disabled (since it completely spazzes out with crossfire enabled). I've never seen it drop under 59 FPS so far.

Seems new generation games are harder to optimize for new consoles than for PCs.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

If it were PC I'd much rather take 720p at 60 fps than 1080p at 30, not even a contest.

funny, I'm the other way. I've got to have 1080, willing to let the frame rate drop to 30 and the AA as low as poss if needs be

 

[Zac Jovanovic]

funny, I'm the other way. I've got to have 1080, willing to let the frame rate drop to 30 and the AA as low as poss if needs be

Well, it depends what's being played. An RTS or a non-action MMORPG and similar are perfectly fine. A FPS, Racer and similar games where you directly control your character, not a way in hell.
The small input delay between pressing a key and it happening, and in turning with the mouse feels like someone is slapping their genitals on the back of my head while I'm trying to play. I noticed a lot of people confuse this sensation with seeing the difference in FPS and start pointless arguments.

 

[Snotnarok]

Ehhhh...That's pretty lame considering ...this is the source engine we're talking about, yes modified and tuned up but still akin to Half Life 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Sonic 2, Shinobi 2- may have gotten off track.

But 60 fps is important with games like this, especially when hitscan is involved.

 

[The Lugz]

If you're XB1 exclusive, you don't really care about res, bro. That's selectively bred out of you, bro. 1080p is bad for you, bro.

this isn't an exclusive, I'm in the pc beta right now.. level 14 because that's the beta cap

on pc it looks great and runs absurdly well, considering what's going on so I imagine it will scale down to consoles pretty good, even if it isn't exactly running at 1080.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

funny, I'm the other way. I've got to have 1080, willing to let the frame rate drop to 30 and the AA as low as poss if needs be

Well, it depends what's being played. An RTS or a non-action MMORPG and similar are perfectly fine. A FPS, Racer and similar games where you directly control your character, not a way in hell.
The small input delay between pressing a key and it happening, and in turning with the mouse feels like someone is slapping their genitals on the back of my head while I'm trying to play. I noticed a lot of people confuse this sensation with seeing the difference in FPS and start pointless arguments.

I do miss that back of the head slapping sensation

I think a lot of it comes from most my gaming background before the last few years, being console based, so its all improvements to me. pluss I usually just play single player, I'm guessing that super responsiveness is only THAT importanat in multiplayer?

 

[Zac Jovanovic]

I do miss that back of the head slapping sensation

I think a lot of it comes from most my gaming background before the last few years, being console based, so its all improvements to me. pluss I usually just play single player, I'm guessing that super responsiveness is only THAT importanat in multiplayer?

Yeah it's definitely worse in multiplayer, I'm useless in any first person shooter under 45sh FPS, and even at that it starts feeling uncomfortable. But there are single player games too, for example the last Need For Speed. Locked to 30 FPS, it looks great but the control is so sluggish and floaty.. Impossible to enjoy.

I remember that Viking RPG, Heroes of Asgard or something. Didn't know it was locked to 30 fps when I got it, couldn't play it with KB/M. Luckily it had decent controller support so I dealt with it.

 

[Someone Depressing]

Eh. Anything about 1080 hurts my head.

I'm going back to cat videos. They hurt my head but the good outweights the bad.

 

[Strazdas]

Personally I research something a lot before dropping that much money in to a purchase.
Ain't like we're depriving the Xbone owners of water here. But anyway, not a "they've never seen better, lets deprive them" more a its all they know, I doubt the majority care. From experience, everytime I try to explain the draw backs of current and last gen, console owners (who are my friends) dont really mind.

Not everyone researches their purchases thoroughly. Some people, gasp, expect it to work as advertised. You know, the reason we got laws that say advertisements cant lie. Microsoft has been pushing their "superior power, HD TVs online" propaganda all the way till the launch, no wonder some people got tricked.

And people care. If they didnt graphics wouldnt be such a selling point.

EDIT: just had a quick look, not many 1080 games, infact, I was really chocked by how many were under 720. and very low AA settings indeed

Indeed they performed very poorly. Got to remmeber they are 10 year old machines though. Even despite the fact that PCs could do 1080 even earlier. Thing to note is however that at launch Xbox 360 and PS3 were actually more powerful than your regualr high end PC. This is the first generation where even at launch consoles are already obsolete.

BTW; out of curiosity, what do you play on?

Back in 1999 my friend got a PC and showed me a demo for Starcraft. I have been converted into PC master race ever since. My last console was Sega Mega Drive (know to americans who like to rename everything as Sega Genesis). I do have family members and friends who play consoles though and as such i have played on quite a few consoles, even if i dont own one.
I do remmeber when i wanted to get Prototype and a cousin had it on Xbox, it almost made me not to buy the game how horrible it controlled, alas i still got it for PC and enjoyed it.

I find it somewhat funny that people report massive FPS drops on consoles when that guy said on twitter that new consoles are twice as powerful as a similar PC
Seems new generation games are harder to optimize for new consoles than for PCs.

Thats called a lie, welcome to the internet.

Optimization is the same, since they use the same architecture now, well except that APU configuration that is a good idea for a office PC to save up on a GPU, but terrible idea for a gaming platform. the consoles are simply not fast enough to compete even with mid-range PCs.

Elitist PC gamers will disagree otherwise. I might disagree and is all down to preference on a singleplayer game but in multiplayer you need all the performance you can get

Actually the pro PC crowd will go for FPS any day. they turn graphics down as much as possible to get their FPS into hundreds because thats actually beneficial, while graphics are just the pretties. Now, playing non-competitively there is hardly a reason to go above 120 FPS nowadays, especially when easily acessible monitors usually are limited to 144hz, but people who do this for a living value FPS a lot.

 

[The Lugz]

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I find it somewhat funny that people report massive FPS drops on consoles when that guy said on twitter that new consoles are twice as powerful as a similar PC (I don't remember who he is but it was reported on Escapist).
~snip~
Seems new generation games are harder to optimize for new consoles than for PCs.

I remember this comment, it was along the lines of;
'next gen consoles are a generation ahead of the most powerful pc's'

and, there's a simpler solution, the marketing department lied.
nobody with experience in hardware or chip design seriously believed claims that system on chip would drastically out-preform a less unified architecture with twice the number of transistors, it's true there are some unique technologies involved but there's no way to beat the enormous bus widths and compute power of a system with 100-150% more transistors
it's completely true that for some processes, and specific mathematical functions soc is the best way to go, so if you want ai that can do mental arithmetic like a boss, then next gen consoles are perfect. ( probably why forza works so well )

but if you want to output pretty graphics at high frame-rates, then you still need bandwidth and transistor count..
the only real alternative is absurdly high clock speeds, but that isn't really possible without a massive power bill and absurd cooling.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Looks fine on my PC.

The problem I have is there are no servers etc near Australia/NZ which means we have to put up with a minimum ping of about 150, usually at 250-300 though.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Personally I research something a lot before dropping that much money in to a purchase.
Ain't like we're depriving the Xbone owners of water here. But anyway, not a "they've never seen better, lets deprive them" more a its all they know, I doubt the majority care. From experience, everytime I try to explain the draw backs of current and last gen, console owners (who are my friends) dont really mind.

Not everyone researches their purchases thoroughly. Some people, gasp, expect it to work as advertised. You know, the reason we got laws that say advertisements cant lie. Microsoft has been pushing their "superior power, HD TVs online" propaganda all the way till the launch, no wonder some people got tricked.

And people care. If they didnt graphics wouldnt be such a selling point.

care? maybe.
understand, I'm not too sure.

cut thru the hype though, is it false advertising? The final product, is it doing what it was advertised to do?
I remember the all singing all dancing cloud was gonna revolutionise the gaming industry etc, but when the final product was released, what did they say. I'm sure all that hype had the usual "subject to change" back covering attached to it.

I would say "tricked" is a good word to describe it, although I'd say theres a level of gulibility in not researching such a purchase from an industry with the track record of the gaming industry.

EDIT: just had a quick look, not many 1080 games, infact, I was really chocked by how many were under 720. and very low AA settings indeed

Indeed they performed very poorly. Got to remmeber they are 10 year old machines though. Even despite the fact that PCs could do 1080 even earlier. Thing to note is however that at launch Xbox 360 and PS3 were actually more powerful than your regualr high end PC. This is the first generation where even at launch consoles are already obsolete.

another reason it'll be seen as a step up to the elusive COD crowd, they bring in big money, and they're used to 600 res.
the way the other guy spoke, i was expecting a lot of 1080p games last gen.

BTW; out of curiosity, what do you play on?

Back in 1999 my friend got a PC and showed me a demo for Starcraft. I have been converted into PC master race ever since. My last console was Sega Mega Drive (know to americans who like to rename everything as Sega Genesis). I do have family members and friends who play consoles though and as such i have played on quite a few consoles, even if i dont own one.
I do remmeber when i wanted to get Prototype and a cousin had it on Xbox, it almost made me not to buy the game how horrible it controlled, alas i still got it for PC and enjoyed it.

if you're intersted, I've a PS3 and a Wii U in my living room, on the big screen, and they look good enough, I think thats due to managed expectations and image blur. PS is a glorified bluray player now anyhoo.
in our spare room I've a PC, which is my main gaming machine.

I do see your point. I guess I'm saying from my experience of friends; those who care about res are PC gamers (soo XBone res wont be an issue to them as they'll probably never buy the thing). Those friends who want simple plug n play console fun, will be happy with whats on offer, the new machine with new controller and new bloom/lighting effect will give that next gen appeal.

 

[Strazdas]

cut thru the hype though, is it false advertising? The final product, is it doing what it was advertised to do?
I remember the all singing all dancing cloud was gonna revolutionise the gaming industry etc, but when the final product was released, what did they say. I'm sure all that hype had the usual "subject to change" back covering attached to it.

I would say "tricked" is a good word to describe it, although I'd say theres a level of gulibility in not researching such a purchase from an industry with the track record of the gaming industry.

which is why they are not sued. it technically can do that.
I do agree though that gaming industry has a terrible history of lieing to fans and hyping things up beyond belief.

if you're intersted, I've a PS3 and a Wii U in my living room, on the big screen, and they look good enough, I think thats due to managed expectations and image blur. PS is a glorified bluray player now anyhoo.

Did...did....did you just implied fake motion blur makes things look good?
Theres only one thing that loosk good on PS3 and thats Jeans rendering in TLOU. Im not joking, this is the best rendering of Jeans i have ever seen in games, and im obsessed with jeans so i always notice.

I do see your point. I guess I'm saying from my experience of friends; those who care about res are PC gamers (soo XBone res wont be an issue to them as they'll probably never buy the thing). Those friends who want simple plug n play console fun, will be happy with whats on offer, the new machine with new controller and new bloom/lighting effect will give that next gen appeal.

Some move to PC once they see its graphic appeal yes. There is no easy plug and play, not since the 6the generation and its getting worse. now the consoles got all the downsides of PCs (online patches, DRM, instalation, hardware bugs) without any of the benefits.

As far as the whole "console people dont care about graphics, i think this image puts the point across very well.

Spoiler: large image

I'm not too sure whether you're confusing elitism with the "elite" but I did briefly mention that there's advantage with FPS in multiplayer

elite
noun
1. ( often used with a plural verb ) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2. ( used with a plural verb ) persons of the highest class: Only the elite were there.


e·lit·ism
noun
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

their not that different.

Granted, word "Elitists" are often misused as an insult (when in reality its a compliment, it says you belong to elite), which is why people sometimes get confused when they fail to insult me by caling me elitist.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I do agree though that gaming industry has a terrible history of lieing to fans and hyping things up beyond belief.

I do think its a lesson all customers should learn the hard way £45?$60 lost on an over hyped game, it is a too cruel when its a lesson learnt(learned?) on a overhyped £400/$500 console/restricted PC.

Did you just implied fake motion blur makes things look good?
Theres only one thing that loosk good on PS3 and thats Jeans rendering in TLOU.

haha, I think it can hide sins, with managed expectations of what consoles can do. What's TLOU ? I'll check it out.

Some move to PC once they see its graphic appeal yes. There is no easy plug and play, not since the 6the generation and its getting worse. now the consoles got all the downsides of PCs (online patches, DRM, instalation, hardware bugs) without any of the benefits.

thats true, couldnt belive how long it took me to get started with the Wii U out the box, and the PS3 updates too often to count. I guess its the legacy of plug and play.
hard to shake off reps; "PC's you need to be a scientist to buld and install and update games, I just wanna play"

As far as the whole "console people dont care about graphics, i think this image puts the point across very well.

Spoiler: large image

ah wow, first time I've seen that and i love it

 

[Strazdas]

I do agree though that gaming industry has a terrible history of lieing to fans and hyping things up beyond belief.

I do think its a lesson all customers should learn the hard way £45?$60 lost on an over hyped game, it is a too cruel when its a lesson learnt(learned?) on a overhyped £400/$500 console/restricted PC.

Learning a lesson one thing. Allowing lieing as standard practice is another though.

haha, I think it can hide sins, with managed expectations of what consoles can do. What's TLOU ? I'll check it out.

The Last Of Us.

hard to shake off reps; "PC's you need to be a scientist to buld and install and update games, I just wanna play"

Thing is, PCs are so standartized now that if you know how to construct LEGO you can build a PC. Granted you may have to find the right socked MOBO for your CPU but thats probably the hardest part - finding a MOBO that supports your stuff. and there are many websites that automatically check whether parts you picked are compatible and give you links to where to buy them.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

I do agree though that gaming industry has a terrible history of lieing to fans and hyping things up beyond belief.

I do think its a lesson all customers should learn the hard way £45?$60 lost on an over hyped game, it is a too cruel when its a lesson learnt(learned?) on a overhyped £400/$500 console/restricted PC.

Learning a lesson one thing. Allowing lieing as standard practice is another though.

unfortunately, its the norm. one of the reasons i'm not considering Titanfall until after release

hard to shake off reps; "PC's you need to be a scientist to buld and install and update games, I just wanna play"

Thing is, PCs are so standartized now that if you know how to construct LEGO you can build a PC. Granted you may have to find the right socked MOBO for your CPU but thats probably the hardest part - finding a MOBO that supports your stuff. and there are many websites that automatically check whether parts you picked are compatible and give you links to where to buy them.

oh yeah, but too many people will be scared off by even THAT!
I quite enjoy it, love the freedom of PC. I understand its DRM although I aint scared by Uplay or Origin, but do prefer Steam if I'm honest.

 

[Strazdas]

And somehow this has devolved into a English lesson from someone using Google. I wasn't insulting anyone other than behaviour PC gamers like so mate.

You were the one to tell me im confusing words.
Also i dont exactly understand your second sentence, are you saying that its ok to insult PC gamers or something?

I quite enjoy it, love the freedom of PC. I understand its DRM although I aint scared by Uplay or Origin, but do prefer Steam if I'm honest.

PC is more than a gaming platform to me, so it would be my choice either way. I am not scared of these services, but i always prefer no-DRM like games from GOG. Bundles does make Steam very useful though.

 

[KazeAizen]

1440p? Never heard of it. "Nice of you console folks to catch up." Do you realize what an arrogant jerk that makes you sound like? That kind of attitude is what pisses console gamers off about PC gamers. If both sides could stop doing crap like you just did we might all be able to get along for once in our lives.

As for the holo decks I was mostly just joking about that. How can you say holo decks are terrible when they don't even exist. Are you joking when you say brainwave reader or are you serious? In case you haven't noticed I am pretty sure no one in the realm of video games is working on anything even remotely similar to a brainwave reader. Of course the omni track is severely limiting in some cases. Now I'm gonna sound like a jerk here but why don't you try and build a consumer prototype of something like that and have it not be limited. I know I sure as heck can't.

I can't believe this UHD is actually a thing. Can't wait for that come. Now I really will be able to count every blade of grass on the screen because you know that's why I've always wanted. *face palms*

just because you never heard of it does not mean its not popular. I havent heard of Gangnam Style untill it had like 3 billion views on youtube already (its over 11 billion now i hear).
Yes, it does sound like arrogant jerk. What should i ahve said instead? Im terribly sorry your consoles sucked for so long? that wouldnt have sounded any better im afraid. The fact is, PCs have done for two decades what consoles are struggling to do now. It may be hard to swallow, sure, does not mean we should lie to ourselves.

I provided arguments why holodecks, as show in the movies, are terrible. yet you failed to respond to said arguments so i hold my ground of them not working in real life situation for anyone buy people with mansions.
Yes, noone is doing brainwave reader. That is because we only recently did a proof-of-concept protptype where a person was able to move a ball inside a "videogame" with his thoughts. but if were talking holodecs were talking the future right?
I never said i could do better than oculus or that its a bad thing at all. merely that it is very limited in its options of games you can play.

You already can count every blade of grass on your screen, provided you got a PC that can run this level of graphics (costs around 600-700 dollars).

I didn't respond to said freaking argument about holo decks because I was freaking joking!

"I'm terribly sorry your consoles sucked for so long." Its called tact, which I'm completely throwing out the window at this point, and not being a complete elitist jerk wad.

You also were implying that you could think of something better and of course the thing is limited in the games it can play now. Its not even released to the public yet and God forbid some very shiny new tech not play ever single game imaginable when it comes out.
We're done here.

Oh and one more thing. We don't freaking NEED 1440p. No one does.