To Hell With Comments

[Something Amyss]

What?!
You could say the exact same thing about Reviews, those fucking uninformed leeches that think hey can "Analyse" a game jus because they have a Camera and a mic (or Cynicism and the ability to doodle things), fuck em' right in their smug ass!
This Article is stupid.

Hey, that's not all he has! He also has a sweet hat!

Don't take his word so seriously.

Yahtzee's EP columns have often taken a serious, critical approach. Even when they're couched in humuor, they're more serious than his ZP videos.

If everyone only spoke when they had something knowledgeable, well thought-trough, and worthwhile to say we'd lead very silent and solitary lives.

I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Psychobabble]

Hmmm .. er... well ..uh... this is awkward after reading that.

Oh well. Guess instead of the pithy pointless twatty comment I was going to make I'll just read you all a bit from The Great Gatsby instead.

"It was when curiosity about Gatsby was at its highest that the lights in his house failed to go on one Saturday night - and, as obscurely as it had begun, his career as Trimalchio was over. Only gradually did I become aware that the automobiles which turned expectantly into his drive stayed for just a minute and then drove sulkily away. Wondering if he were sick I went over to find out ? an unfamiliar butler with a villainous face squinted at me suspiciously from the door.

"Is Mr. Gatsby sick?"

"Nope." After a pause he added "sir" in a dilatory, grudging way.

"I hadn?t seen him around, and I was rather worried. Tell him Mr. Carraway came over."

"Who?" he demanded rudely.

"Carraway."

"Carraway. All right, I?ll tell him." Abruptly he slammed the door."

 

[Qvar]

Isn't Yahtzee basically just part of the comment section that is Vidogamez Jurnalizm?

Exactly. It's unbelievably hypocritical of Yahtzee to put down comments when his JOB is for all intents and purposes to comment on video games.

The thing is, since he's the one getting paid, his comments ARE of more value than those of people who don't. Just like any other job, you can tell who's better at it (roughly) by how much can they afford to charge.

Btw, talking about other jobs, I DO hate when people try to gave their opinions about the field of my work. Mostly because they tend to fail horridly in their assumptions (it's a field of social sciences) and I go berserk.

 

[Doom972]

I wonder how many game developers feel the same way about Yahtzee. I do agree that comments can be detrimental in some cases. While I don't mind reading people's opinions on websites, I really don't want them inside my games.

 

[Kingjackl]

The worst part about this column is that Yahtzee himself has already seen for himself the value of user commentary and feedback. He did that when he released the beta of his new game, and specifically asked for feedback from anyone who played it. People commented and he used the information to make changes, fix bugs and add new features. But when other game publishers do it, he throws the written equivalent of a childish tantrum and puts it up on a website that makes heavy use of user comments. The level of hypocrisy and thick-headedness is astounding.

Also, that thing he put up on Twitter saying something like "oh, it's a commentary on comments, so you can't comment without looking foolish"? Yeah, if that's not an admission of failure, then I don't know what is. However foolish the commenters on this thread are, I don't see how they could possibly be more foolish than the one who wrote the article to begin with.

As I said, he only doing this for comedy to make the things more interesting.
Don't take his word so seriously.
If Yantzee was a Pony, he would had the Element of Disorder and Irony. He is good at that. But he isn't a bad Pony. He is a good Pony. We must Believe in him.

No, I'm with the crowd that understands his bitterness, self-loathing and misanthropy are all dead serious and that he needs to get over it. Seriously, what does Yahtzee have to be bitter about?

If it were comedy, I'd be laughing because there would have been actual jokes that were funny in that column. That wasn't funny, it was just petulant and mean-spirited, so I reckon I'm well within my rights to point out how hypocritical he's being.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Isn't Yahtzee basically just part of the comment section that is Vidogamez Jurnalizm?

Exactly. It's unbelievably hypocritical of Yahtzee to put down comments when his JOB is for all intents and purposes to comment on video games.

The thing is, since he's the one getting paid, his comments ARE of more value than those of people who don't. Just like any other job, you can tell who's better at it (roughly) by how much can they afford to charge.

Btw, talking about other jobs, I DO hate when people try to gave their opinions about the field of my work. Mostly because they tend to fail horridly in their assumptions (it's a field of social sciences) and I go berserk.

Wrong. Just because he makes money off of his commenting does not make Yahtzee's comments any more valid than those of anyone else, including trolls. All it means is that he managed to scream loud enough to get enough attention to be able to make money off of his comments, it does not in the least prove his comments are more valid, just more well known.

 

[M920CAIN]

Yahtzee, when you started doing reviews were you a professional or were you just doing a rant review about a game you liked/disliked? Opinions do matter, that's how you became somewhat famous, that's why you are valued now, that's why the Escapist bosses pay you for the content you provide which are basically rants. This whole article you wrote is a rant about how you don't like comments, but really, isn't this article you made just another comment, a larger comment, the first comment? Hehe, yet because it's you and people/fans know your web persona, they let it fly and you get away with your rants because they like the way you do it. Your web personality is made of game ranting, game developing ranting and so on.

Everything you do is more or less commenting on a subject (game, game developer, fan fiction, etc), but because you are a bit of an Internet sensation, you are not considered a troll, nor banned for the offensive words you use in videos sometimes/articles (we normal trolls get banned more often since our trolling isn't generating as many views and therefore money as your trolling does and upsets other members of the community). People adore you for it, they quote you for it, they love you for it. Basically you are an Internet troll, but seen as a professional troll, so therefore respected, so kudos to you for being a troll and getting paid for it. I think the rest of us "miserable cunts" as you would put it like the fact that you are voicing the obvious facts about gaming and the gaming community, and we applaud you for it, for the fact that maybe you are perceived as a troll with taste. So rock on! I wouldn't be surprised if this article you wrote was a remark you made yourself to yourself as well, so good on you for being self aware and if I got it wrong, well, it shouldn't matter, should it? after all, as you said, our comments should never matter because we are not professionals nor are we dedicated, or are we, otherwise why would we be trolling/commenting, criticizing in our primitive ways of using swear words like ... well you know. Cheers.

 

[Luminous Chroma]

I honestly can't tell whether this article is meant to be serious or sarcastic. If it's sarcastic, then it deserves nothing more than a weary eye-roll before moving on to more relevant and useful conversations. If it's serious, then Yahtzee has just posted the stupidest, least self-aware, most vapid piece of work of his career.

TLDR: Either useless, or stupid and intentionally insulting. Step up your game, Mr. Croshaw.

 

[Grimrider6]

I've never walked away from anything produced by Yahtzee that made me actively dislike him and want to stop reading/watching his stuff. Just a little bit more self-awareness, a self-deprecating one liner at the end, something to make this read like something beyond just ugly, bitter, angry, cynical bile would have really helped.

This is a very disappointing first...

 

[immortalfrieza]

Wrong. Just because he makes money off of his commenting does not make Yahtzee's comments any more valid than those of anyone else, including trolls. All it means is that he managed to scream loud enough to get enough attention to be able to make money off of his comments, it does not in the least prove his comments are more valid, just more well known.

Funny how you reduce the whole process to "scream loud enough" to make it look like he and other critics are kind of randomly chosen and a shower of money rains down on them from heavens, instead of being picked precisely because, yeah, somebody thought that their opinions are more interesting than that ones from the commoners, and in fact the commoners do agree (or else they would already be out of business).

Oh and before you try to argue that he's not a critic, he is a comedian, it is you who talked about validness of opinions, which isn't the same as value. He can be totally wrong, therefore not "valid", and still have more value, precisely because people find it entertaining anyways. And that is what got him there in the first place.

The fact is, Yahtzee is just lucky enough that his comments draw him a paycheck, nothing more, nothing less. Being paid for one's opinions does not mean that those opinions have more validity or value than anyone else's. As we all know, there are plenty of people who have tried to be critics, tried to be comedians, tried to be the one among the masses to be noticed and get paid for their comments but never succeeded despite those comments being no different in the end than Yahtzee's or Jim Sterling's or any of those people. What happened is Yahtzee shouted his comments from the rooftops along with everybody else until he was lucky enough to not get buried under the flood of comments when someone in a position of power saw them and decided to hire him for it, in his case the Escapist. Just because Yahtzee was fortunate enough to be noticed among the wave of commoners doesn't mean he isn't being a hypocrite for putting down other people's comments.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

They don't need to be careful of their words, they need to have a backlog against which we can qualify future opinions. They can be as biased or rude as they want, but having a face and a name guarantees that those things stay on the record rather than dying with each avatar and handle.

You're doing it wrong.

A person's writing should be judged on the content of that writing, not their track record or their status. You should judge things on their facts and merits, or in the case of opinion, how well thought-out and supported the opinion is, not who is comes from. It is entirely possible for person with status and a good track record to write something stupid and wrong, just as it is for someone antonymous to come out of nowhere and write something brilliant and true.

It happens all the time. Judging works by their perceived poplar status or amount of time that they've been writing is a terrible way to go about things. That's going to lead to all kinds of problems. Humans have been led down some terrible paths by this kind of thinking.

 

[Qvar]

The fact is, Yahtzee is just lucky enough that his comments draw him a paycheck, nothing more, nothing less. Being paid for one's opinions does not mean that those opinions have more validity or value than anyone else's. As we all know, there are plenty of people who have tried to be critics, tried to be comedians, tried to be the one among the masses to be noticed and get paid for their comments but never succeeded despite those comments being no different in the end than Yahtzee's or Jim Sterling's or any of those people. What happened is Yahtzee shouted his comments from the rooftops along with everybody else until he was lucky enough to not get buried under the flood of comments when someone in a position of power saw them and decided to hire him for it, in his case the Escapist. Just because Yahtzee was fortunate enough to be noticed among the wave of commoners doesn't mean he isn't being a hypocrite for putting down other people's comments.

Please, you're making me laugh. Oh, cruel world where everybody writes as good as Tolkien, yet the publishers will select only one of them on a whim and mark it for consumption of the general populace. Those damn commies.

Same could be applied to games then I guess. Are publishers just blind idiots who will go ahead with the first garbage that someone tries to pass for a game?

 

[Aardvaarkman]

Just readin one small sample of the comments on this particular article pretty much proves its point...

No, by definition, it doesn't. If you are only reading one small sample, then ow do you know what the rest of it contains?

That's like saying that all artwork is crap, because if you take a random sample of any artwork, it is 90% likely to be crap, and not a Picasso or Shakespeare. Just like online videos or articles about video gaming published by large companies. The vast majority are crap. So, by that reasoning, Yahtzee's videos are crap too, right?

 

[Psychobabble]

I've never walked away from anything produced by Yahtzee that made me actively dislike him and want to stop reading/watching his stuff. Just a little bit more self-awareness, a self-deprecating one liner at the end, something to make this read like something beyond just ugly, bitter, angry, cynical bile would have really helped.

This is a very disappointing first...

In all fairness I personally believe what Yahtzee is actually ranting about is the current trend for game companies to try to shoehorn some kind of interconnected social networking horseshit into every gaming experience. Something that for most people IS absolutely fucking useless. I get this idea from Yahtzee's less than affectionate mentions of the silly and needless level comments in Super Mario 3D World, and the PS4 share button. As well as from his last paragraph this week where he mentions he plays games to escape the outside world, so resents these attempts to invade his fun time.

 

[immortalfrieza]

Please, you're making me laugh. Oh, cruel world where everybody writes as good as Tolkien, yet the publishers will select only one of them on a whim and mark it for consumption of the general populace. Those damn commies.

It's not about writing quality it's about luck. You can write the best damned book the world has ever seen but if you're not fortunate enough that the publishers that it's sent to even notice it's there among the hundreds of submissions they get each day. Then there's the opposite, you could write the worst load of bile book that ever graced the earth and if you're fortunate enough to send it to the right publisher get it published and sell a million copies (and I think we all have an idea of quite a few books that's just that). Commenting is just the same.

Same could be applied to games then I guess. Are publishers just blind idiots who will go ahead with the first garbage that someone tries to pass for a game?

Judging by the quality of a lot of the games that have come out lately I'd say definitely yes.

 

[Qvar]

Judging by the quality of a lot of the games that have come out lately I'd say definitely yes.

Oh yeah? And they are making a lot of money too? Will they stay in business to keep their practice? Do you tend to play all those mediocre games as you read mediocre critics?

 

[Aardvaarkman]

The fact is, Yahtzee is just lucky enough that his comments draw him a paycheck, nothing more, nothing less.

I very much doubt it's just luck. He is a talented wordsmith and a pretty good comedian. You make it sound as if he was one of the many people creating videos of Zero Punctuation quality and just happened to win a lucky draw. That doesn't reflect reality. If Lady Luck suddenly awarded you Yahtzee's position, do you really think you'd be able to turn out consistently funny material with personality, week after week? Would you also be able to write novels while doing so?

That said, it's because Yahtzee is so talented that this unfunny hack-job of an article is so disappointing. I wonder if he's losing his self-awareness and edge as he slips into the comfortable bubble of "internet celebrity"?

 

[Nimcha]

Just readin one small sample of the comments on this particular article pretty much proves its point...

No, by definition, it doesn't. If you are only reading one small sample, then ow do you know what the rest of it contains?

That's like saying that all artwork is crap, because if you take a random sample of any artwork, it is 90% likely to be crap, and not a Picasso or Shakespeare. Just like online videos or articles about video gaming published by large companies. The vast majority are crap. So, by that reasoning, Yahtzee's videos are crap too, right?

No. Every single sample you read is crap. Just try any random one. Always crap.

 

[Aardvaarkman]

No. Every single sample you read is crap. Just try any random one. Always crap.

Nice to see that you're making a difference with your quality contribution.

 

[SweetShark]

The worst part about this column is that Yahtzee himself has already seen for himself the value of user commentary and feedback. He did that when he released the beta of his new game, and specifically asked for feedback from anyone who played it. People commented and he used the information to make changes, fix bugs and add new features. But when other game publishers do it, he throws the written equivalent of a childish tantrum and puts it up on a website that makes heavy use of user comments. The level of hypocrisy and thick-headedness is astounding.

Also, that thing he put up on Twitter saying something like "oh, it's a commentary on comments, so you can't comment without looking foolish"? Yeah, if that's not an admission of failure, then I don't know what is. However foolish the commenters on this thread are, I don't see how they could possibly be more foolish than the one who wrote the article to begin with.

As I said, he only doing this for comedy to make the things more interesting.
Don't take his word so seriously.
If Yantzee was a Pony, he would had the Element of Disorder and Irony. He is good at that. But he isn't a bad Pony. He is a good Pony. We must Believe in him.

No, I'm with the crowd that understands his bitterness, self-loathing and misanthropy are all dead serious and that he needs to get over it. Seriously, what does Yahtzee have to be bitter about?

If it were comedy, I'd be laughing because there would have been actual jokes that were funny in that column. That wasn't funny, it was just petulant and mean-spirited, so I reckon I'm well within my rights to point out how hypocritical he's being.

So you truly believe that he think EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING that leave a comment about his videos/articles is an assh*le?
No, I don't think so.

Let's face it, the only reason the most people react with this article, is the use of the harsh language, which of course is one of the signatures of the personality Yantzee have. Yes, he believe that most comments are useless, because he think there is no way in reality to chance the opinions of other people, or to be more specific, Yantzee's opinion about a game.
Now the question is I agree with his opinion? Of course not. However I acknowledge that he doesn't just plaint said he hate comments. He addressed his reasons why he believe that.
Finally if we put his opinion about the comments AND his well-known comedy/harsh language into the mix....VOILA!!!
We have this article!!!