Tokyo's "Anti-Anime" Bill Sparks Convention Wars
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Well this should cut down the loli jokes for anime 
Lalusche you made the loli cry!
Some of this stuff is way over the top, i mean you get like 10 yo girls in love with the 20 some male character, tho many of the better animes seem to just use it for comic effect or blow it off entirely. The offensive scene in evangalleon tho i did not find all that offensive they were two teen age kids and it seemed in tone of the whole crazy story this introverted boy that repressed himself so much just snapping at the sight if a hospital ridden girls boobs, just seemed to fit the story and was not out of place wildly. Nor was it all that sexy it was just like wow this kids got issues.
Much of hentai is just out and out grotesque tho with the crap they do.
Lets not forget that this adult anime over here is more for kids in japan, so they have a bit more right to treat this stuff as being targeted at young kids. Since in fact it is aimed at a younger audience over there where here it is a teen or mature audience late at night stoner thing.
Lalusche you made the loli cry!
Some of this stuff is way over the top, i mean you get like 10 yo girls in love with the 20 some male character, tho many of the better animes seem to just use it for comic effect or blow it off entirely. The offensive scene in evangalleon tho i did not find all that offensive they were two teen age kids and it seemed in tone of the whole crazy story this introverted boy that repressed himself so much just snapping at the sight if a hospital ridden girls boobs, just seemed to fit the story and was not out of place wildly. Nor was it all that sexy it was just like wow this kids got issues.
Much of hentai is just out and out grotesque tho with the crap they do.
Lets not forget that this adult anime over here is more for kids in japan, so they have a bit more right to treat this stuff as being targeted at young kids. Since in fact it is aimed at a younger audience over there where here it is a teen or mature audience late at night stoner thing.
Bill also covers such things as homosexual relationships/marriage, incest, and so forth.
It isn't just the depiction of minors, it affects things the arts have traditionally been considered the right place to explore. /That/'s why the corporations are up in arms. Yes, depiction of minors are a significant part, but it also clouts things that people presently hail as works of art.
Just wanted to be sure and say as much. Also, my understanding of this piece of quite old news, from reading around, is the online distribution and publications methods are unaffected. In other words, all those raving about it finally hitting the 'sick hentai' industry.. well yeah it doesn't. Basically the law makes no bloody sense from a great many angles, and despite being passed is still getting constitutional challenges hurled at it.
It isn't just the depiction of minors, it affects things the arts have traditionally been considered the right place to explore. /That/'s why the corporations are up in arms. Yes, depiction of minors are a significant part, but it also clouts things that people presently hail as works of art.
Just wanted to be sure and say as much. Also, my understanding of this piece of quite old news, from reading around, is the online distribution and publications methods are unaffected. In other words, all those raving about it finally hitting the 'sick hentai' industry.. well yeah it doesn't. Basically the law makes no bloody sense from a great many angles, and despite being passed is still getting constitutional challenges hurled at it.
Let me make a favorite counter-example. Do you think only twisted people are fans of shows like "Buffy The Vampire Slayer"? Now, keep in mind this is a mainstream show that was massively successful and made Joss Whedon the celebrity creator he currently is.Niagro said:
In "Buffy" we had a 15 or 16 year old girl getting it on with a 30-something (actually hundreds of year old) Vampire as a major plot point. Remember this all happened while she was in high school and there was time for him to turn evil, be defeated in a season finale, return with a soul, be kept locked up by her as a beast for a while, leave for his own spin off season, and then make a return apperance for another season finale when Buffy was finally graduating High School. I don't know for sure what age she was off the top of my head, but she sure as heck wasn't an adult.
The reason why "Buffy" is considered acceptable is because it's a work of pure fantasy, real girls are not like Buffy who is a super hero. Our real world morality doesn't easily apply to a situation like that, if we had real super heroes our logic in dealing with them in situations like this would be differant. I mean if the fate of the world can rest in your hands periodically, you can probably determine when you can go to bed with someone on your own.
I also look towards movies series like "Porky's" and "American Pie" as other examples. Like it or not, teens having sex is part of growing up and learning about life. In general I tend to only have issues when you have adults having sex with kids. I'm one of those people who feel teen on teen stuff is fine if done responsibility, and one of those guys who feel that the proper thing to do (especially seeing as we won't ever stop it) is to distribute condoms and such and put more of a focus on safe sex, rather than trying to force hard core abstinance. Of course this doesn't cover the Buffy thing (Angel was not a Teenager), that falls under fantasy as I explained above.
The thing about this law is that it's not going to affect any of the really creepy stuff that people mention as being what Japan needs to clean up. That isn't what this law does. Those works are still defined as pornography. Urotsukidoji, La Blue Girl, Queen Of Darkness, Bible Black, and other well know titles are all adult rated porno over ther just like here. As long as they keep that rating and continue to be distributed as porn, nothing changes.
What this law actually does is targets fantasy series, things like "Buffy The Vampire Slayer" where you might have sexy teenage super heroes of one sort of another carrying on relationships during the series. The arguement that a 15 or 16 year old Buffy-type is too sexy and should be illegal even if there is no hardcore porn actually involved.
In general, the main run of Anime doesn't get much worse than the general run of comics books in the US. A lot of T&A, and some implied sex going on behind the scenes. People who complain about this stuff in anime are pretty naive about media in general, and even what is permissable within a "T"/"PG-13" rating given how few producers push the limits properly. Some might remember that in the "classic" movie "Scream" there is even a joke made about this where the protaganist's boyfriend wants to have sex with her, and says "no, but I can give you the PG-13 version" before flashing her tits as one of many self-aware jokes. The point is that what is being actually targeted are things that have been within permissable limits in both Japan and the USA for years.... again as I pointed out, the way this law seems to read, the stuff that pushes the limits and makes Japanese animation infamous is going to be untouched. As long as they keep slapping that adult rating on the DVDS, Tentecle Rape is going to continue to thrive. People who seem to think hard core hentai is released on TV for children over there, are really uninformed about Japan, right up there with fanboys who go in the opposite direction and seem to think adults in Japan prefer to read Manga over newspapers and knowing what is actually going on in the world/their area.
Good, I was hoping for something like this.
Managed to get some of the big-names to protest, too.
Why would you think that would happen?
Why is it a problem now?
If "half of all anime villains" are like that, why did you only present one example?
Managed to get some of the big-names to protest, too.
...I'm not sure which question to ask first. In no particular order:Hardcore_gamer said:
Why would you think that would happen?
Why is it a problem now?
If "half of all anime villains" are like that, why did you only present one example?
Actually, I'd think the jokes would increase. After all, it's not touching actual lolicon.cerebus23 said:Well this should cut down the loli jokes for anime
the govenment are overreacting
kids aren't going to look at it and see porn
they're not going to understand it untill they're old enough that noone cares
kids aren't going to look at it and see porn
they're not going to understand it untill they're old enough that noone cares
Goddammit, Japanese government. Don't you have more important things to be doing? Stop hanging out with Australia, they're a bad influence.
Awesome, good on those taking a stand against this stupid law. I'm glad to see they are not taking this lying down.
I disagree, anything made to express or encourage a thought or emotion is art. Art is not a measure of quality, it's just what it is. It doesn't have to be good.Hardcore_gamer said:
I mean, what would your definition be? Would a product need a certain level of quality to be considered art? How would that work, exactly?
EDIT: Figured I should at least have something on-topic in my post.
Other people have formulated the problems with this bill better than I can, so instead I'd like to point out that the guy behind this bill, Shintaro Ishihara, is fucking crazy.
For example, he denies that the Rape of Nanking ever happened. And that "old women who live after they have lost their reproductive function are useless and are committing a sin". And that gay people are "deficient". Really.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shintaro_Ishihara
If someone took a creative process to imagine and create it, why wouldn't it be considered art. Not all art is good and can be immature, but it's a creative work regardless. Would you tell some five year old that drew a picture of her house that it isn't art because it isn't refined enough?Hardcore_gamer said:
...You realize what you're saying, right?Hardcore_gamer said:
That's like if I were to say orchestra pieces shouldn't be considered music because there are no vocals in them.
Honestly, you really need to start doing some research before you go spouting your misinformation.Wikipedia definition said: