Tokyo's Anti-Loli Bill has Passed in Committee.

[theultimateend]

Thank fuck!

Can I just say, that Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves. RapeLay [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay] is one just example.

I am all for the freedom of expression/speech...but you can go too far. Japan has a history of flirting with the border of sanity with this kind of shit and I am glad that this bill passed.

If you are reading this Japan, I am happy that you have matured a lot in my eyes.

The fallacy here being that anything in Japan is unique to them.

The US has just as many mind bogglingly sickening fetishes.

As does the Ukraine, or Afghanistan, or Cambodia.

Man, I've been a part of this community for a long time and I've been finding a disturbing trend in the seeming majority of pro-censorship/pro-corporatist attitudes. I just can't understand the kind of logic that goes into wanting to have less rights and less freedom or take away the rights and freedoms of others just for being different.

This thread is just a small example of that. Now I know what someone is going to bring up, "But, Centrophy, we have to protect the childrens (mothers, puppies, baby seals, plants, what have-you.) Now I know this will sound cliche but "Those who sacrifice freedom for security, deserve neither."(sic)

Just my two pence.

It's easier to demonize other people than to admit your own imperfections and embrace them.

That's why activists in politics tend to be a part of what they are an activist against. They are embarrassed of something that, usually, they shouldn't be embarrassed about.

As for the aristocrat's joke. No..don't be a smartarse! When did telling a joke become illegal?

So you've established that there are boundaries to depravity. We know that visual or auditory fecal humor on the level of the Aristocrat joke is cool. Somewhere in between that, and drawing children naked, you bend and demand censorship.

It's always fascinating to play the grain of sand game.

Start with a hill of Sand. Remove a grain of sand, is it still a hill? If yes, then N-1 is still N. If not, then how many grains of sand must you remove before it is no longer a hill.

It's all black and white as long as we convince ourselves it is.

if a person you knew constantly jerked off to videos of men raping women while simultaneously murdering them, how would you feel about that? not to say that loli is anywhere near that bad, but I'm trying to prove a point that some actions, even tho they may not be real, aren't always necessarily healthy

I'd likely feel the same way I do about people who are obsessed with sports or play combat games all day.

If it isn't hurting anyone else then I don't care. Because there is no accredited psychologist on the planet who is going to take your train of thought and say it's legitimate.

We just feel good when things that weird us out are banned, the reality is that it doesn't change a damn thing other than take people who are very likely to be harmless and give them another level of dissonance and personal shame that was unnecessary.

People just need to grow the hell up.

I also assume you mean "Simulations of raping and murdering" otherwise you've gone off the deep end on your example.

"Oh these people like hentai? Well that's no different than watching an actual person raped and butchered. No I don't see anything hyperbolic about that? Why do you ask?"

In the end, this bill will do nothing but make some ignorant people happier about their world that is not in any way safer. It's like the drug war, though I'm not sure which is sillier.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

Thank fuck!

Can I just say, that Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves. RapeLay [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay] is one just example.

I am all for the freedom of expression/speech...but you can go too far. Japan has a history of flirting with the border of sanity with this kind of shit and I am glad that this bill passed.

If you are reading this Japan, I am happy that you have matured a lot in my eyes.

The fallacy here being that anything in Japan is unique to them.

The US has just as many mind bogglingly sickening fetishes.

As does the Ukraine, or Afghanistan, or Cambodia.

If I had said this was unique to Japan, then yes, I would have committed to a fallacy. Funny how I didn't say that though. What I did say was "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves", the implication being "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes"

As for the aristocrat's joke. No..don't be a smartarse! When did telling a joke become illegal?

So you've established that there are boundaries to depravity. We know that visual or auditory fecal humor on the level of the Aristocrat joke is cool. Somewhere in between that, and drawing children naked, you bend and demand censorship.

Once again, jokes in bad humor are distasteful, not illegal. Child pornography on the other hand [and say it with me now] IS ILLEGAL! and distasteful.

As for your sand castle game:
N-1 = N {if and only if N is legal}. If N is illegal, take appropriate steps. Are you happy with your game yet?

 

[dmase]

As long as its not regulated by a group of conservatives trying there best to put any form of media they find too "sexy" on the adult section or banned for the populous's own good. I mean yeah this stuff shouldn't be in the hands of kids and you shouldn't have kids gawking in the middle of the store at all the hentai. etc. etc.

Things can be controlled and things that go a bit too far should be stopped. I mean we don't let real children in pornography and 99% of people will probably agree with that.

 

[theultimateend]

If I had said this was unique to Japan, then yes, I would have committed to a fallacy. Funny how I didn't say that though. What I did say was "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves", the implication being "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes"

That's unfortunate. If all you are saying is "The Japanese are just like everyone else." then it really was a waste of your time to type it.

The Japanese also have, generally, two eyes, two arms, two legs, likely every organ you have in your body, and a head.

This is fun.

Did you know they also breath in the same air and live on the same planet?

The implication was either that you had nothing to say or that you were singling them out. Either way it's unfortunate.

 

[Kaboose the Moose]

If I had said this was unique to Japan, then yes, I would have committed to a fallacy. Funny how I didn't say that though. What I did say was "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves", the implication being "Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes"

That's unfortunate. If all you are saying is "The Japanese are just like everyone else." then it really was a waste of your time to type it.

The Japanese also have, generally, two eyes, two arms, two legs, likely every organ you have in your body, and a head.

This is fun.

Did you know they also breath in the same air and live on the same planet?

The implication was either that you had nothing to say or that you were singling them out. Either way it's unfortunate.

Have you decided to stop. think a little?

If I said you are a boy..all I am saying is, that you are a boy; not half the world's population is female..just you.are.a.boy.

If I said, Japan has a lot of freaky fetishes..all I am saying is that, Japan has a lot of freaky fetishes. For all I care Americans could be mad fans of the "human centipede"..I don't care. This is about Japan. Had I wanted to say the Japaneses are like everyone else, I would have said so. However, all I wanted to convene across was that the Japaneses like some bizarre shit, eg: RapeLay

I am not trying to say it's a uniquely Japanese condition. It's just a Japanese condition or to rephrase it, it's a condition Japan suffers from.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? and why is stating so unfortunate?

 

[Dreck]

This has gone far beyond "loli" and way past hentai. Many of you seem to speak as if this has only come to the table recently, but thing is that it's now passed into law. Many older shows of your beloved favorites fall under the category in which this proposal is scrutinizing. It's not about the depiction of minor/children in a sexual nature - it's about a loon they have in office that's attacking a major industry and for those that may actually care and are able to vote against, are too fucking lazy to speak against it - apart from several publishers, etc.

Sry, the following line kills it for me...
"prudent application of the law in light of any artistic, social, scientific or satirical merits the work might express"

 

[Dreck]

As long as its not regulated by a group of conservatives trying there best to put any form of media they find too "sexy" on the adult section or banned for the populous's own good. I mean yeah this stuff shouldn't be in the hands of kids and you shouldn't have kids gawking in the middle of the store at all the hentai. etc. etc.

Things can be controlled and things that go a bit too far should be stopped. I mean we don't let real children in pornography and 99% of people will probably agree with that.

I don't ever remember this bill being an issue about kids gawking at hentai. They already state that the adult industry is not what's being focused on as theres already an 18+ statute in place.

 

[Casual Shinji]

So... does this mean I won't get anymore loli? *sadface*

Screw loli, what the hell is going to happen to Berserk?!

This whole bill better not put any pressure on Kentaro Miura or else I'm gonna get pissed.

 

[Infernai]

While people are free to hate what they wish, i will admit its a bit stupid to be banning this. Granted, I'm among those who don't even remotely like Loli but still...THEIR JUST FUCKING SCRIBBLES! If it was ACTUAL people, then yes I'd Demand it be banned but they aren't real, they are fictitious beings.

*extreme sarcasm mode activated* Hell! If we take this path, then...we might as well arrest Stan Lee for depictions of murder and assault, the guys had about a dozen comics where people have died or been horribly injured, hell i think there was even a civil war in there with all his characters he COULD have not authorized. J.K Rowling, have to arrest her for depictions of child abuse in Harry potter. Oh! The hollywood producers and writer will have to go to, yes that includes you to Mr. Whedon. Why? Because we have to Protect the innocent for the line between fiction and reality is now blurred and we no longer know the difference! *extreme Sarcasm Mode Deactivated*

To restate my point; If it's actual real life people ACTUALLY being harmed or killed rather then faking being harmed or killed, then yes ban the crap out of it and make arrests. If it's just fake, then i don't see the point: yeah, we may not like it, but again..nodody is being harmed, it's all fake and unless the entire world was incapable of telling the difference between fiction and reality recently, i don't see why this is a problem. I mean, we allow crap like the Saw films and Caligula to go through which depict quite gruesome things, so why should the loli stuff be any different. It isn't real, no-one in the real world has been harmed and...really it's just some scribbles on paper so it's not that big a problem. Don't like it? Just don't look at/watch it.

 

[EmzOLV]

To be honest, I kinda thought this might be coming eventually! In some ways, it is a shame because any form of censorship isn't brilliant, but to some degree its kinda good to have some things censored for children who just aren't of the age to be dealing with that sort of thing. But maybe it'll go down the same way as age ratings for games - they were there for a reason but parents still buy their 9 year old kid a mature game and then wonder if video games are too influential. Its Mature for a reason.

Anyway, it won't eradicate all the Loli stuff completely anyway.

 

[JoJo]

After reading some of these comments and the article I'm still not entirely sure what this law will ban, but I very much hope it bans the abomination that is lolicon. Seriously, anyone who supports it as "freedom of expression" or something think about what it is a representation of: sexual abuse of small children . However much you may claim that it's an "attraction to youthful looks" or an "attraction to an art style" the fact is these pictures are made to look like little girls and so in my opinion are totally wrong.

 

[garfoldsomeoneelse]

This is kinda like taking a prison inmate's punching bag away because the warden was horrified by what the bag was supposed to represent; he's just going to start kicking the shit out of actual people and the problem is now so much worse than it ever had to be god you are so stupid who put you in charge.

Seriously, if it wasn't for the internet's ability to stimulate certain biological drives and reduce them to ignorable levels, I'd be out right now, wining and dining one of several interested-in-me-so-something-must-be-wrong-with-her-way-deep-down women. I don't think you want to encourage pedophiles to leave their houses and get active in their pursuit of things I'm more comfortable not thinking about.

 

[Cowabungaa]

After reading some of these comments and the article I'm still not entirely sure what this law will ban, but I very much hope it bans the abomination that is lolicon. Seriously, anyone who supports it as "freedom of expression" or something think about what it is a representation of: sexual abuse of small children . However much you may claim that it's an "attraction to youthful looks" or an "attraction to an art style" the fact is these pictures are made to look like little girls and so in my opinion are totally wrong.

Agreed, but it's a victimless crime; no actual child is actually hurt in the making of those cartoons. I find it just as disgusting as you, but I just can't support the prosecution of a victimless crime. I'd rather have them wank over cartoons than actual photos.

Thank fuck!

Can I just say, that Japan has some really, really, really disturbing fetishes on their shelves. RapeLay [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay] is one just example.

I am all for the freedom of expression/speech...but you can go too far. Japan has a history of flirting with the border of sanity with this kind of shit and I am glad that this bill passed.

If you are reading this Japan, I am happy that you have matured a lot in my eyes.

Thing is, who decides what's "too far" and why should their opinion be better than anyone else's? It's basically saying "I find it offensive thus everyone should find it offensive."

Plus you can't really blame fetishes, those things are hardwired into one's brain. I mean, I have no idea why I find redheads so hot, can't help it.

 

[The Wykydtron]

I fail to see how this going to change much really, but there is one thing I would like to know... Has Anon started rioting yet?

 

[Gypsy Ninja Pirate Zombie King]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


my loli dreams are dished now were will i go for loli WERE?!