Tomb Raider Takes Cues from Batman and Bond Reboots

Valanthe

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Paragon Fury said:
Boudica said:
008Zulu said:
Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.
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You know what Boudica?

You can go to hell. Your people and their tree-hugging spirituality and blatant militarism have been a thorn in Rome's side for far too long. You attacked us for trying to bring to peace and happiness of Oppaiism to your people, and when we defeated you and let you live and keep your territory you showed us nothing but scorn.

Then you tried to take over our City-State allies who had never done anything to you while you attempted to spread that filth you call "Christianity", only to be humiliated by our mighty mechanized Roman legions.

Well, fuck you. Lets see how smug you are when Edinbuurghhoweverthehellyousayit is a smoldering, nuclear crater.

Oh, and if you'd like to apologize after we unleash nuclear hell on you, you can find us somewhere near Alpha Centuari on our majestic spaceship, spreading the joys of Oppaiism to the stars.




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Wait, what were we talking about again?
Oh god, my sides, they hurt....


Oh right... Tomb Raider... Ahh, well, yay for hypersensitive dimwits who are so quick to tear this game apart, by their standards, the girl I smiled to at the bar should charge me sexual harrassment. Seriously people, what the hell?

Anyway, onto a more relatable topic, I'm actually excited for the Tomb Raider reboot. Since the 90's Lara Croft has been -nothing- but a teenage sex fantasy about a kickass woman with big guns (Both kinds, if you catch my meaning). That's it, that's the long and short of her entire character. Now a Dev wants to say "hang on, why is she like that, what made her such a tough as nails, don't take any guff, shoot first and forget the questions badass?" and people get their knickers in a twist because some guy looks at her funny then gets shot (I think, I'll have to watch the trailer again, but I know he dies).

And I'm off topic again, long story short, we keep crying for devs to take more risks with their franchises, but when a big dev sees this kind of reaction to someone who actually does that, what message are we really sending? Me, I'm going to do something crazy, and actually let a developer make the game they want, and tell the story they wish to, and then, if by some odd coincidence it actually is as bad as people think it will be, then I'll add my voice to the choir, but the backlash over this is worse than whatever Million Moms has been up to lately.
 

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Boudica said:
Remember this from Terminator?
True story, the actor playing the orderly felt so bad about doing that, that he told Linda to really connect with her elbow when she first hit him.

Part of me likes a darker beginning to Lara's story, but, as I recall it wasn't pleasant to begin with. From what I remember from the newer games, she was in a plane crash in her youth and in one of her first expeditions she was pursued quite relentlessly by a nightmare horror beast.

I just hope the game retains, at least in part, what made the original games great.
 

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this is not really new. they mentioned it like in may already that they used batman as an guide to tell laras origin story.
anyway, looking forward to it. looks really far more interesting then the previous once.
 

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Sexy Devil said:
Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.

Well, unless you count that bit where Le Chiffre whacks Bond's testicles repeatedly with a rope. That was pretty hot.
So apparently seeing your parents get murdered right in front of you is a totally acceptable character building device, but rape isn't. Apparently seeing the woman you love get murdered because you made the self-serving choice is a good character building device, but rape isn't. Apparently getting your vertebrae dislodged and being dumped in a hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere wherein you have to helplessly watch your city burn is a perfectly acceptable character building device, but rape isn't.

Someone wanna explain this one to me? It's not even actually rape, it's almost rape.
I don´t want to take sides, but i think the issue is that as soon as it happens in a game it becomes "fun". The Gamemechanics aren´t there to make you feel the weight that things like Rape should make you feel, they are there to make you go "huzzah, i´m having a blast killing these bastards!".

Btw, i´m really hoping that the aliens make a return in this game, that twist was awesome in the first game.
 

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Boudica said:
Paragon Fury said:
Boudica said:
008Zulu said:
Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.
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You know what Boudica?

You can go to hell. Your people and their tree-hugging spirituality and blatant militarism have been a thorn in Rome's side for far too long. You attacked us for trying to bring to peace and happiness of Oppaiism to your people, and when we defeated you and let you live and keep your territory you showed us nothing but scorn.

Then you tried to take over our City-State allies who had never done anything to you while you attempted to spread that filth you call "Christianity", only to be humiliated by our mighty mechanized Roman legions.

Well, fuck you. Lets see how smug you are when Edinbuurghhoweverthehellyousayit is a smoldering, nuclear crater.

Oh, and if you'd like to apologize after we unleash nuclear hell on you, you can find us somewhere near Alpha Centuari on our majestic spaceship, spreading the joys of Oppaiism to the stars.




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Wait, what were we talking about again?
At first I didn't get that it was a joke and I was all "What did I do? :(" lolol.
I'm sorry, but I hate Boudicca and the Celts in Gods and Kings sooooo much.

While the other leader's AI can be a bit nuts, Boudicca is a raving, backstabbing, ungrateful lunatic at the best of times.

And the problem is, I haven't played a single game where she hasn't been one of the AI enemies since G+K came out!
 

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Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.

Well, unless you count that bit where Le Chiffre whacks Bond's testicles repeatedly with a rope. That was pretty hot.
(The captcha is "Too Salty!" o_O) Hmm, I'm sure that would be an interesting twist in batman begins, if Ra's Al Ghul tried to feel up Bruce wayne on that Icy river. And... Was Casino Royale a reboot? All the bond movies have been made in no specific order, I get that it was his origin story, but considering there was no previous origin story, can we still say it's a reboot?
 

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SpectacularWebHead said:
Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.

Well, unless you count that bit where Le Chiffre whacks Bond's testicles repeatedly with a rope. That was pretty hot.
(The captcha is "Too Salty!" o_O) Hmm, I'm sure that would be an interesting twist in batman begins, if Ra's Al Ghul tried to feel up Bruce wayne on that Icy river. And... Was Casino Royale a reboot? All the bond movies have been made in no specific order, I get that it was his origin story, but considering there was no previous origin story, can we still say it's a reboot?
not really...From my understanding Casino Royale was actually the first Bond story Ian Fleming wrote, but before they could make it into a movie a comedy version was made, and they had to wait for the copyright on the name to run out before they could go back and make the new version, so really it was just going back and adding in missing pieces of the story.

(like I said this is how it was explained to me, I could be completely talking out of my ass, feel free to correct me if that's the case :) )
 

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Can we come off the attempted rape thing already? FEAR 2's protagonist was ACTUALLY raped while you were controlling him, but nobody gave two shits then.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Can we come off the attempted rape thing already? FEAR 2's protagonist was ACTUALLY raped while you were controlling him, but nobody gave two shits then.
What kind of a crime is ATTEMPTED rape anyway? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? Well? Do they!?
 

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Boudica said:
Paragon Fury said:
I'm sorry, but I hate Boudicca and the Celts in Gods and Kings sooooo much.

While the other leader's AI can be a bit nuts, Boudicca is a raving, backstabbing, ungrateful lunatic at the best of times.

And the problem is, I haven't played a single game where she hasn't been one of the AI enemies since G+K came out!
I haven't noticed.

Because I had a nerdgasm when I found out she was in the game and haven't played as anyone but her since XD
Boudica- badass even when adorable:


Clive Howlitzer said:
Kopikatsu said:
Can we come off the attempted rape thing already? FEAR 2's protagonist was ACTUALLY raped while you were controlling him, but nobody gave two shits then.
What kind of a crime is ATTEMPTED rape anyway? Do they give a Nobel Prize for attempted chemistry? Well? Do they!?

OT: Sounds cool, looking forward to it. Not sure if it'll be a day-1 purchase yet, but still.
 

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Mcoffey said:
Marshall Honorof said:
Given some of the controversy [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/118203-Tomb-Raider-Dev-Rape-is-Not-in-Our-Vocabulary] surrounding Lara's latest adventure, this information could help contextualize the decisions Crystal Dynamics made regarding her character development.
The stupid, stupid, controversy. God I almost want to buy this day one just to stick it to all the people screaming about nothing. People will complain about any target they can latch on to.

Boudica said:
Sing it. Sing it from the rooftops until they have no choice but to listen to reason for once.
Oh god I want to do the same just to say fuck you!!!!!

"remembers megaman legends 3 "
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Guess Ill be buying devil may cry used!

Votin with my wallet *****!!!! lol
 

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I guess that's why I don't particularly like the idea. I mean, I know I'm in the margins here, but I didn't really like what they did with Batman or the Joker in the reboot movies. I didn't like that they made Bond super traumatized by the loss of various lady-friends in traumatic ways and torture and so forth. I liked them being who they were because they were strong personalities with interesting quicks. I don't like where I now have to accept that has come from. I cringed. They lost some of their sparkle for me in that grittier rebirth that they won't get back any time soon.

My life has been plenty gritty and realistic enough not to want that in either my gaming or my movie going experience to the degree it's being put out of late. Again, I realize I may be in the margins there, so I hope this is good for everyone else, because I won't be joining y'all in playing it (or watching the Batman or Bond movies again unless my fiancé steals the remote control and forces the issue).
 

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Boudica said:
Starik20X6 said:
Boudica- badass even when adorable:

Why have I not seen this adorable image before?

LittleBigPlanet DLC. [http://www.littlebigplanet.com/en/game_guide/ps3/downloadable_content/boudica_costume/] You can buy her alone or as part of the 'History Costume Kit'.
 

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Not only did the rebooters of Batman and James Bond not feel the need to change the basic character of their protagonists, but Crystal Dynamics are hardly Frank Miller, Christopher Nolan or Tim Burton. I fail to see why it was "necessary" to bowdlerise the Lara Croft so that she is no longer an aristocrat, an archaeologist or even 100% English any more. It has no relevance to the game play, and shows so little respect for an iconic character it borders on Anglophobia.
 

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Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.

Well, unless you count that bit where Le Chiffre whacks Bond's testicles repeatedly with a rope. That was pretty hot.
He also attempted to castrate him. :-S

Gatx said:
Wait. What's Lara Croft's iconic origin story?
[http://picturepush.com/public/8957789]

Granted that's not how it's going to be portrayed but whatever, this is a reboot so changes can be expected.

SpectacularWebHead said:
Seventh Actuality said:
I'm gonna go ahead and make the inevitable comment about how nobody felt the need to have Bond or Batman threatened with rape in their dark n'gritty reboots.

Well, unless you count that bit where Le Chiffre whacks Bond's testicles repeatedly with a rope. That was pretty hot.
(The captcha is "Too Salty!" o_O) Hmm, I'm sure that would be an interesting twist in batman begins, if Ra's Al Ghul tried to feel up Bruce wayne on that Icy river. And... Was Casino Royale a reboot? All the bond movies have been made in no specific order, I get that it was his origin story, but considering there was no previous origin story, can we still say it's a reboot?
I'm pretty sure it's a reboot.

At one point M (Judi Dench) in Casino Royale says, "Christ, I miss the Cold War!" which is contradictory to the idea of Casino Royale being an origin story for the previous twenty movies (in addition to the anachronisms) because the M (also Judi Dench) in GoldenEye says, "I think you're [Bond] a sexist, misogynist dinosaur. A relic of the Cold War, whose boyish charms, though lost on me, obviously appealed to that young girl I sent out to evaluate you."

That statement implies Bond in GoldenEye is much older than he appears but we know that the Bond in Casino Royale has only recently been made a 00-agent, and that the M character in GoldenEye and the M character in Casino Royale are two different (though similar) characters.