top 10 arguments I disagree with
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His remark was aggressive as well, regardless of if he prefaced it with "I don't mean to come across as aggressive". Calling someone stupid because they hold a different opinion isn't very intelligent, especially when you just gave an example of how a medium can be used to service many different types of people.gamezombieghgh said:
All of the anti-religion arguments here, most are people blaming religion for the things that stupid people do in the name of religion and act like that's ALL religion has ever done, which is incredibly narrow minded.
And I'm not even religious.
And I'm not even religious.
There's no such thing as consolisation.
Dumbing down =! Streamlining.
PCs are not better than consoles, no sorry, 3rd person view means MORE to render so how can that be a feature of consoles? I don't believe in the apartheid for PCs you morons.
Dumbing down =! Streamlining.
PCs are not better than consoles, no sorry, 3rd person view means MORE to render so how can that be a feature of consoles? I don't believe in the apartheid for PCs you morons.
This. Otherwise I agree with some of the things he said.CptRumGuy said:
Well if someone did something in the name of an organization, and that action is stupid, wouldn't you think that organization is stupid? All groups that have no entry requirements hold the risk of being represented by the wrong message. I wouldn't disagree that religion has brought on some good, but it surely isn't necessary for civilization.rabidmidget said:
ok, that is one way of looking at itImbechile said:
however I will point out that its not like you had less content to deal with
and yes, there are exceptions tot he blank charachter Idea however I find in general it just doesnt work that well
like...(now I may be making this up) in one of the early 3d grand theft auto's arnt you just some guy who never speaks? THATS the kind of thing Im talking about
but then again I guess its all about the induvidual game
I agree wtih this, though I am religious.rabidmidget said:
They way they talk, I think religion must have killed their puppy.
Because I don't really understand the OP, here are a few that bother me
1) "Piracy is OK because you aren't talking something, you are just making a copy. Imagine if I coppied your car. It would still be there". No, no it's not. And back to the car thing, if that happened, would audo corps work on developing new cars? Or would they stop because people were just copying it and they would lose more money in development then they could hope to make back.
2)"PC gaming is dying." No, no it is not. Look at RTS games. PCs will always have that. Besides, people have been saying that for years.
3)"Used sales are just as bad as piracy, and GameStop is eeevvvviiiilll. We should give money to devs after each used sale". First Sale Doctrine. Google it. If you have ever given someone something that you used without giving money to the creater, you are just as bad
oh if we're talking philosophical then I guess I can say that all we are is dust in windspartan231490 said:
One of the arguments in the world today I disagree with is that Metroid: Other M is a masterpiece and that Samus was plagued with a emotional disorder that leads her to abusive relationships. Dammit, people! It's obvious that the game is wrought with a lot of instances of bad writing. The more there are, the more likely it is that other key moments such as the prescribed disorder is actually a case of bad writing as well! Don't try to give something context when the writer easily could've given that same context in the story, but didn't! It's only further evidence the writer failed in the endeavor, anyway!
Well in my opinion:Suarga said:
1)Ideologies should be judged on its own merits, not on those of its followers. An argument is equally valid or invalid, no matter who speaks it.
2)It was definitely important for the creation of civilisation, a society requires people with like-minded moral ideals for it to be formed and Religion is a great way for a common set of moral guidelines to spread.
Let me put it this way:Vault101 said:
I'm dyslexic, and can read upside down and sideways.
And I had no bloody clue what you were trying to say.
I would also disagree with somone saying theres no reason samus COULDNT be like that, because if her past actions and what ever small scraps of info we got about her are anything to go by...noDragonpit said:
thats like saying theres no reason Gordon freeman COULDNT secretley hate alyx Vance
or theres no reason Master cheif COULDNT cross dress in his spare time
10. The PC as a 'recognised platform' (IE the conception of it as the only platform powerful enough to run certain pieces of software) has been pretty dead for a long time now
9. It did bugs and glitches really well, I gotta agree there
8. Mako might not have been very interesting, but it was a damn sight more interesting than penetrating planets on a screen >>
7. No game can feasibly be realistic anyway, how many people do YOU know that can reload their last save on real life? :|
6. Games can be both, but if you expect them to SELL then they kinda have to be entertaining
5. Gotta die sometime
4. Being fair, yes, some sequels are good. But honestly, a lot of them are simply squeezed out to make the developers more money, now aren't they?
3. Who gives a flying @$%&, seriously?
2. This sounds like something you've just ripped straight out of one of Yahtzee's videos, with no thought for what it actually means :/
1. I must agree with you there, but people who do NOTHING but game to the exclusion of living a rich, full, exciting life? Yeah, they're pretty sad.
You kinda have a few valid points, but the fact that you stated all of your subjective opinions as objective facts really made me want to disagree with you >> this is a problem I have with a fair few people who are close to me at the moment: 'I like it' does not equal 'It is good' and 'I don't like it' does not equal 'it is bad'; and since good and bad are simply constructs made up by society to influence the way you act for the better of the collective as a whole... Maybe you need to realise that other people are allowed to have different opinions than you.
For example, I DON'T like Fallout 3. I don't like the story, I don't like the gameplay and I don't like the setting. If that makes me wrong - if that makes my opinion invalid - then you aren't allowed an opinion either :/
9. It did bugs and glitches really well, I gotta agree there
8. Mako might not have been very interesting, but it was a damn sight more interesting than penetrating planets on a screen >>
7. No game can feasibly be realistic anyway, how many people do YOU know that can reload their last save on real life? :|
6. Games can be both, but if you expect them to SELL then they kinda have to be entertaining
5. Gotta die sometime
4. Being fair, yes, some sequels are good. But honestly, a lot of them are simply squeezed out to make the developers more money, now aren't they?
3. Who gives a flying @$%&, seriously?
2. This sounds like something you've just ripped straight out of one of Yahtzee's videos, with no thought for what it actually means :/
1. I must agree with you there, but people who do NOTHING but game to the exclusion of living a rich, full, exciting life? Yeah, they're pretty sad.
You kinda have a few valid points, but the fact that you stated all of your subjective opinions as objective facts really made me want to disagree with you >> this is a problem I have with a fair few people who are close to me at the moment: 'I like it' does not equal 'It is good' and 'I don't like it' does not equal 'it is bad'; and since good and bad are simply constructs made up by society to influence the way you act for the better of the collective as a whole... Maybe you need to realise that other people are allowed to have different opinions than you.
For example, I DON'T like Fallout 3. I don't like the story, I don't like the gameplay and I don't like the setting. If that makes me wrong - if that makes my opinion invalid - then you aren't allowed an opinion either :/
You're suggesting that if someone want to get a taste of tactical shooter gameplay, where they have to be careful when they pop out of cover and plan their attacks carefully, they should instead go take a real bullet so that you can continue to play mindless rambo shooters?Daaaah Whoosh said:
Besides, I doubt just anyone can go become the kind of special ops, hawk-eyed marksman that appears in shooters. They ARE playing a role they can't live in reality.
Don't be such a grammar nazi [http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSTk0aOldJmtvWxNEKeBYmHGhgUT5P7N_e_9RNFZ3mi_nu_y3xv&t=1], not everyone was born with english as their native language.NewYork_Comedian said:
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Well I sorta agree with most of whats on your list, but I have to disagree, to some extent, with nr. 9 and nr. 5. Well Fallout wasnt a bad game, I really liked it, but looking back at I only liked it because I could look away from its flaws. Playing it now is really frustrating with objects dissappearing and shooting miles into the air, lousy hit detection, freezes, corrupt save files, and I could go on, but still, it wasnt a bad game, just frustrating.
Nr. 5, well everything is dying, you cant deny that. Every second that passes gets you closer to an end, for everything
Lesd3vil said:
I never ment for this to come across as "all of what I'm saying here is fact" Im simply stating common things I disagree with and my reasons why (hence the title top 10 arguments I disagree with, not top 10 arguments that are wrong)
also I understand that not everyone likes/dislikes the same things as me, when I mentioned Fallout 3 I always found that the ONE thing people refer to is (they totally screwed up the brotherhood!) but I think aside from the black and white morality systm the game has alot of great things about it, but then again its all subjective
in regards to point 2.
I didnt even know yahtzee said anything like that, anyway this is actually somthign I often think about,
now yes ALOT of games with a blank protagonist work great, even if they arnt customozable
but I find that often I would much rather they give some kind of charachterisation
I mean saints row 2 wouldnt have been nearly as fun If I had to play as a silent man,but not only could I play as a chick..she was VOICED, which was awsome
even stuff like Fallout and other RPG's, they give you somthing to work with, because if the Idea is projection...Im sorry but I CANT project myself onto a white brown haired male, now UNLESS he's got anything else going for him aside form the fact he's a guy and I can controll him like you know a personality and all that...that just doesnt work
like Oblivion, it killed the game for me, because I was nohing but a walking camera sure I could imagine I was anything...but the game would pretty much treat me the same what ever I would do
that said because there are alot of good example I guess all I can really say is it depends on the induvidual game
also I kinda didnt make myself clear enough with the art game thing, its the argument that "if games become art then ALL games will be art games and wont be fun anymore"
now is that not the stupidest thing youve ever heard?
10. PC gaming is dying.
Its dying. Really the only stuff you see do well on PC's these days are things you CAN'T do on a console. So your RTS because a controller simply can't handle that well. Sure you could make (and I have made) the argument that Pikmin is essentially an RTS that's far from the point. Warcraft and Starcract and the like SUCK on consoles. Same so far with MMO's though I honestly don't know why. You'd think a Pokemon MMO would have came out as a Wii Launch title and done just fine.
9. Fallout 3 was a bad game,
Haven't played it.
8. the "dumbing" down/streamlining of Mass effect was a bad thing-
haven't played it
7. "realism" is the devil, all depends on what kind of game youre going for, I think people only hate (or you know, whine about) grittyness/realism because its a trend, not because its bad in itself
Realism is great. But it's not everything and not for everyday. No small part of my support for Nintendo comes from the fact that I know they'll keep putting out quirky games, I don't need to worry about everything becoming Halo with them like I honestly feel often when I look at the line up for my Xbox. It's like I get ten shooting games, eleven sports games, five racers and if I'm lucky there is a current slasher out and if I'm REALLY lucky something cutesy for when I'm not feeling the rampant blood lust.
6. "I dont want games to be art, games are ment to be fun!"
Agreed. That is an ignorant argument. What I want is both and for art games to do well in the market place so they show up more often. On a tangent I'm tired of Japan getting so many exclusives.
5. everything is dying
WHAT?
4. seaquels are bad- they can be, but often they arnt, and lets face it, you would be crying out for a seaquel for X game anyway...
I've never really come across this argument. It's kinda true in movies but even that isn't universal in games the sequels are usually better because they've learned from their mistakes. Sure sometimes it's just the same damn game but that doesn't make it bad, itmakes it unoriginal.
3. "my platform is better"-no it isnt
BS. My platform is better, that's why I bought it.
2. Blank charachters are better, no they are boring and unrelatible, sure if its an RPG then thats the point, but unless your charachter is customisable or its a FPS DO NOT make them blank/silent
Depends on the game. Most FPS's for example are so action oriented that blank or filled in I don't care. It's like most fighting games. If you told me that Street Fighter 4 would have come out with all the charachters in it now for the first version but they'd have to cut the endings out of the game I'd shrug. I don't actually care about the story I just wanna have fun.
1. anything related to gaming is "sad"
Oh well. That's a cultural thing and we all need to make a consious effort to defeat that. Gamers loud and proud. Those of us who are anime fans need to do the same and get people to watch good and universal anime. No culture that like Supernatural, Buffy and Twilight should be rejecting Vampire Hunter D or Death Note.
Its dying. Really the only stuff you see do well on PC's these days are things you CAN'T do on a console. So your RTS because a controller simply can't handle that well. Sure you could make (and I have made) the argument that Pikmin is essentially an RTS that's far from the point. Warcraft and Starcract and the like SUCK on consoles. Same so far with MMO's though I honestly don't know why. You'd think a Pokemon MMO would have came out as a Wii Launch title and done just fine.
9. Fallout 3 was a bad game,
Haven't played it.
8. the "dumbing" down/streamlining of Mass effect was a bad thing-
haven't played it
7. "realism" is the devil, all depends on what kind of game youre going for, I think people only hate (or you know, whine about) grittyness/realism because its a trend, not because its bad in itself
Realism is great. But it's not everything and not for everyday. No small part of my support for Nintendo comes from the fact that I know they'll keep putting out quirky games, I don't need to worry about everything becoming Halo with them like I honestly feel often when I look at the line up for my Xbox. It's like I get ten shooting games, eleven sports games, five racers and if I'm lucky there is a current slasher out and if I'm REALLY lucky something cutesy for when I'm not feeling the rampant blood lust.
6. "I dont want games to be art, games are ment to be fun!"
Agreed. That is an ignorant argument. What I want is both and for art games to do well in the market place so they show up more often. On a tangent I'm tired of Japan getting so many exclusives.
5. everything is dying
WHAT?
4. seaquels are bad- they can be, but often they arnt, and lets face it, you would be crying out for a seaquel for X game anyway...
I've never really come across this argument. It's kinda true in movies but even that isn't universal in games the sequels are usually better because they've learned from their mistakes. Sure sometimes it's just the same damn game but that doesn't make it bad, itmakes it unoriginal.
3. "my platform is better"-no it isnt
BS. My platform is better, that's why I bought it.
2. Blank charachters are better, no they are boring and unrelatible, sure if its an RPG then thats the point, but unless your charachter is customisable or its a FPS DO NOT make them blank/silent
Depends on the game. Most FPS's for example are so action oriented that blank or filled in I don't care. It's like most fighting games. If you told me that Street Fighter 4 would have come out with all the charachters in it now for the first version but they'd have to cut the endings out of the game I'd shrug. I don't actually care about the story I just wanna have fun.
1. anything related to gaming is "sad"
Oh well. That's a cultural thing and we all need to make a consious effort to defeat that. Gamers loud and proud. Those of us who are anime fans need to do the same and get people to watch good and universal anime. No culture that like Supernatural, Buffy and Twilight should be rejecting Vampire Hunter D or Death Note.