Top female Twitch streamer Amouranth stream turns dark as an apparent abusive husband comes to light

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That is weirdly specific. Like what does this have to do with anything?
And it's also not actually very much. Like ... a person able to lift 100lb is not the strength equivalent of a person smarter than a supercomputer.

Edit: I know the bicep curl is technically a lift, but it feels more like a rotation compared to the others. Never really given it any thought before. And a chin-up is, I suppose, a lift, but that feels more like a haul (whereas a pull-up is a drag in two senses of the word (I'm shit up pull-ups)).
 
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I'd argue the general public's ignorance towards the difference between civil and criminal court, and civil and criminal procedure, was precisely the phenomenon exploited by media to muddy the waters for profit -- to the point, as you said, people were unable to recognize who was plaintiff and who was defendant.
You may be correct there. I'll concede that one.

Actually, my point is media coverage of court cases under (especially late-stage) capitalism is unreasoned by default, and this has pretty much always been the case across the entire legal spectrum whether we care to admit it or not. What was true for Alfred Dreyfus, and Sacco and Vanzetti, was equally true for Adolf Eichmann, O.J. Simpson, Casey Anthony, and Kyle Rittenhouse: truth rarely withstands the rigor of profit-hungry media.
While I will half-concede this point as well, I maintain that there is an important difference between a trial that is simply deemed to be in the public interest, and a trial that is being used as a vehicle for public humiliation.

Because it is in the public interest to be aware when someone abuses given power, whether that be political office or celebrity status. That in itself should not be a problem. The problem is when someone is being expected to give evidence about their experience of sexual assault in front of millions of people, with the alleged abuser in the room and while retaining absolute composure because some weird cottage industry of hack behavioural "scientists" are waiting in the wings to accuse them of being a psychopath if they cry a bit wrong. The grey area has clearly stopped being grey, at that point.

Exposure is not synonymous to influence, however. Just because someone sees a given unit of content, does not mean they consume that unit, and even consuming that unit does not mean the consumer finds it persuasive.
In a healthy media environment, I believe that would be true. However, I see no evidence that we live in one.

If she needed people they have women centers all over the place and she could seek refuge faster then any immigrant seeking asylum for safety in fear of execution.
Unless the situation is far, far darker than is being presented here, there's not a fucking chance.

There is a real lack of understanding of what those places are for and what they do, because I think if people were aware of how fucked up things have to be before those services are considered necessary, they would probably need to start asking some very revealing questions about why they are "all over the place".
 
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And it's also not actually very much. Like ... a person able to lift 100lb is not the strength equivalent of a person smarter than a supercomputer.
kinda what I was getting at yeah. Like my coaching experience is limited. I'm a qualified strength coach but mostly just do it as a side gig. The only people I know who would struggle to squat or Deadlift 100lb are the elderly, a person recovering from an injury, someone with mobility issues and the very young. Like if you're an adult who is in anyway physically active and not injured you should be lifting 100lbs.

And like a push up is roughly the equivalent of 64% of your bodyweight so like a 157lb or over person SHOULD be able to lift 100lb easily barring specific limitations.
 

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kinda what I was getting at yeah. Like my coaching experience is limited. I'm a qualified strength coach but mostly just do it as a side gig. The only people I know who would struggle to squat or Deadlift 100lb are the elderly, a person recovering from an injury, someone with mobility issues and the very young. Like if you're an adult who is in anyway physically active and not injured you should be lifting 100lbs.

And like a push up is roughly the equivalent of 64% of your bodyweight so like a 157lb or over person SHOULD be able to lift 100lb easily barring specific limitations.
Man I wish the weightlifting world used kilos. I'm constantly having to get Google to do the conversions. I weigh almost exactly 157lb though, good guess!
 

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While I will half-concede this point as well, I maintain that there is an important difference between a trial that is simply deemed to be in the public interest, and a trial that is being used as a vehicle for public humiliation.

Because it is in the public interest to be aware when someone abuses given power, whether that be political office or celebrity status. That in itself should not be a problem. The problem is when someone is being expected to give evidence about their experience of sexual assault in front of millions of people, with the alleged abuser in the room and while retaining absolute composure because some weird cottage industry of hack behavioural "scientists" are waiting in the wings to accuse them of being a psychopath if they cry a bit wrong. The grey area has clearly stopped being grey, at that point.
Again, we're conflating the nature of our justice system, with the nature of mass media, how mass media reports on the justice system, and its pernicious influence. Like I said, there's no difference in this regard between Depp or Heard, and Dreyfus, Sacco and Vanzetti, Kyle Rittenhouse, OJ, or even the likes of Adolf Eichmann. That's not a fault of the justice system itself; that's a fault of the media, and as long as media remains for-profit, that's going to continue.

In a healthy media environment, I believe that would be true. However, I see no evidence that we live in one.
Well, perhaps in a different context the distinction might be clearer: would you agree with the assertion violent video games makes gamers violent? Or, oversexualization in video games makes gamers sexist? Representation of satanic imagery in role-playing games makes gamers satanists? Same phenomenon at play: cultivation.

Or more specifically, how mass media hacks misrepresent cultivation as normalization (it's not; normalization is cultivation plus ideation).

My entire point rests in that our current media landscape is definitively not healthy. But, the difference is in how our media landscape is unhealthy, and for what purpose has it become this unhealthy. And in this, in my opinion, all roads lead to "for-profit media". There's no money and repeat consumption in impartial reporting; confirmation bias is the real cash cow.
 

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Again, we're conflating the nature of our justice system, with the nature of mass media, how mass media reports on the justice system, and its pernicious influence. Like I said, there's no difference in this regard between Depp or Heard, and Dreyfus, Sacco and Vanzetti, Kyle Rittenhouse, OJ, or even the likes of Adolf Eichmann. That's not a fault of the justice system itself; that's a fault of the media, and as long as media remains for-profit, that's going to continue.


Well, perhaps in a different context the distinction might be clearer: would you agree with the assertion violent video games makes gamers violent? Or, oversexualization in video games makes gamers sexist? Representation of satanic imagery in role-playing games makes gamers satanists? Same phenomenon at play: cultivation.

Or more specifically, how mass media hacks misrepresent cultivation as normalization (it's not; normalization is cultivation plus ideation).

My entire point rests in that our current media landscape is definitively not healthy. But, the difference is in how our media landscape is unhealthy, and for what purpose has it become this unhealthy. And in this, in my opinion, all roads lead to "for-profit media". There's no money and repeat consumption in impartial reporting; confirmation bias is the real cash cow.
Well, I suppose we could make a small start by disallowing the live reporting and broadcasting of all trial proceedings. Be they criminal or otherwise. The reporters can wait outside and be given information by which ever legal team feels the need to speak to the press but I think is simply not letting the media in the courtroom and disallowing people bringing in any telephone device into the court is a good start. A small one. Of a million others.
 

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Well, I suppose we could make a small start by disallowing the live reporting and broadcasting of all trial proceedings. Be they criminal or otherwise. The reporters can wait outside and be given information by which ever legal team feels the need to speak to the press but I think is simply not letting the media in the courtroom and disallowing people bringing in any telephone device into the court is a good start. A small one. Of a million others.
Cameras are generally already not allowed in courts, which is why you generally see drawings of people on the stand when the news covers a case. The problem is how things are covered by the media, not whether or not they have too much or too little access. Look at what happen with the Rittenhouse case.
 

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Well, I suppose we could make a small start by disallowing the live reporting and broadcasting of all trial proceedings. Be they criminal or otherwise. The reporters can wait outside and be given information by which ever legal team feels the need to speak to the press but I think is simply not letting the media in the courtroom and disallowing people bringing in any telephone device into the court is a good start. A small one. Of a million others.
Well, I could just point out that this won't stop misinformation getting out and 'hiding behind this smokescreen' will just lead people to make up their own minds without any evidence. And letting legal teams control the information is just another word for disinformation. No legal team would ever give you the truth

That's not to say this isn't a good idea. Its just that media wasnt good BEFORE they were allowed to live report.
 

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Cameras are generally already not allowed in courts, which is why you generally see drawings of people on the stand when the news covers a case. The problem is how things are covered by the media, not whether or not they have too much or too little access. Look at what happen with the Rittenhouse case.
Yes, yes. We know. Having a bag thrown at you gets you a free murder card. Anyone who wants to stop you from murdering people can be murdered freely too

The problem with Rittenhouse is that the US guns laws are so fucked up that no one outside the US could understand how he didn't get anytime. The media made little difference because, to a non-citzen, it looks like the Stoning laws for adultery etc in Muslim countries
 
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Yes, yes. We know. Having a bag thrown at you gets you a free murder card. Anyone who wants to stop you from murdering people can be murdered freely too

The problem with Rittenhouse is that the US guns laws are so fucked up that no one outside the US could understand how he didn't get anytime. The media made little difference because, to a non-citzen, it looks like the Stoning laws for adultery etc in Muslim countries
Perfect example. Did you not see the videos of what actually happened? Funny how I basically ignored all media coverage and just sought out the facts and video evidence and had no preconceived notions beforehand. It was pretty simple case honestly. I've been on a jury for a criminal case before, only like 10% of the actual trial is pertinent to the jury's decision. I was on a case that lasted a week that could've been over in 2 hours. You do realize all 12 people have to agree, it was unanimous that they all said it was self-defense, it's not like it was 7-5 in favor of not guilty or something. But you know more than the 12 people that actually sat through the whole trial and you know Rittenhouse is guilty?
 
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Cameras are generally already not allowed in courts, which is why you generally see drawings of people on the stand when the news covers a case. The problem is how things are covered by the media, not whether or not they have too much or too little access. Look at what happen with the Rittenhouse case.
Like I said, one small step of a million others.
 

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This is a quite naive understanding of media influence - people's wants and desires (for sad and inhuman cruelty) aren't formed in a vacuum.
This is worse than naivety. Phoenix is displaying mindless self-deception and projection with a huge lack of empathy. His attitude is not surprising to me at all.
 

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You keep a girl dependent usually will keep her in check. Is the reason why many people are unable to proceed in income at all.

If I could have her in my place I would put her up. Half of this bs he is talking about it illegal. I mean seriously her horses is the reason why she will not leave.

I mean seriously I could run this business with like fifty of her and I would respect her.

Children with money sucks. Like a five year old with a pistol
 
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This is a quite naive understanding of media influence - people's wants and desires (for sad and inhuman cruelty) aren't formed in a vacuum.
People also keep blaming everything and everyone else instead of taking any kind of responsibility. Blame the media for being bad instead of supporting good media coverage. Blame Amazon for being so evil when they can, I don't know, not fucking buy from Amazon.