Total War Countdown/ UPDATE: Shogun 2 confirmed!

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Nunny

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HK_01 said:
Nunny said:
I would like to see a proper full world version, complete with the ability to play all factions from Major Powers to small island tribes. Also with a time scale that doesnt go fowards one bloody year every turn...
That might be...hard to do.
The harder it is to make something, the more reward when it is done.
 

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Nunny said:
HK_01 said:
Nunny said:
I would like to see a proper full world version, complete with the ability to play all factions from Major Powers to small island tribes. Also with a time scale that doesnt go fowards one bloody year every turn...
That might be...hard to do.
The harder it is to make something, the more reward when it is done.
but CA is shit when it comes to campaign and battlefield AI...
 

HK_01

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Plurralbles said:
Nunny said:
HK_01 said:
Nunny said:
I would like to see a proper full world version, complete with the ability to play all factions from Major Powers to small island tribes. Also with a time scale that doesnt go fowards one bloody year every turn...
That might be...hard to do.
The harder it is to make something, the more reward when it is done.
but CA is shit when it comes to campaign and battlefield AI...
They have made some serious improvements to the campaign AI from Medieval II to Empire. At least in Empire they didn't attack you for no reason anymore(usually anyway, it was funny to see Georgia declare war on my Russian Empire that had crushed the Ottomans and Swedes).
 

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HK_01 said:
At least in Empire they didn't attack you for no reason anymore
Yes, they did. A lot. And it made even less sense than in Medieval. Any Ottoman game I started, I wound up getting attacked by the British, for no reason at all. I never held any teritorries that they needed, I had good relations with them. Same in my Russian games. Also, trusted allies would attack me without provocation all the time. At least in Medieval 2 I could tell who was going to attack me. At least the AI in Medieval 2 was capable of laying a proper siege and not piss all over itself...

And as for the whole "unsubstantiated rumor" thing, I just linked an article on Kotaku, which is basically one of the biggest games news sites. There's also the Rock Paper Shotgun article linked a few posts earlier and that is also a fairly trusted news site.

Sure, it's rumors, but at least it's something. I'm guessing you're just sore you didn't get the time period you wanted... ;)
 

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Jandau said:
HK_01 said:
At least in Empire they didn't attack you for no reason anymore
Yes, they did. A lot. And it made even less sense than in Medieval. Any Ottoman game I started, I wound up getting attacked by the British, for no reason at all. I never held any teritorries that they needed, I had good relations with them. Same in my Russian games. Also, trusted allies would attack me without provocation all the time. At least in Medieval 2 I could tell who was going to attack me. At least the AI in Medieval 2 was capable of laying a proper siege and not piss all over itself...

And as for the whole "unsubstantiated rumor" thing, I just linked an article on Kotaku, which is basically one of the biggest games news sites. There's also the Rock Paper Shotgun article linked a few posts earlier and that is also a fairly trusted news site.

Sure, it's rumors, but at least it's something. I'm guessing you're just sore you didn't get the time period you wanted... ;)
The Kotaku article was based off the rumors from that Turkish website. Not sure about the RockPaperShotgun one.

About Empire, such things didn't really happen to me. Maybe because I bought the game when it was already out for almost a year and fixed with patches?
 

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HK_01 said:
About Empire, such things didn't really happen to me. Maybe because I bought the game when it was already out for almost a year and fixed with patches?
I played the game a few months ago, fully patched. AI was batshit crazy and utterly retarded, both on and off the battlefield. One of the biggest dealbreakers for the game. Napoleon was just as bad.
 

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Jandau said:
HK_01 said:
About Empire, such things didn't really happen to me. Maybe because I bought the game when it was already out for almost a year and fixed with patches?
I played the game a few months ago, fully patched. AI was batshit crazy and utterly retarded, both on and off the battlefield. One of the biggest dealbreakers for the game. Napoleon was just as bad.
Huh, that's weird. Maybe I'm just lucky. My Allies usually stayed Allies and only countries I had bad relations with declared war on me. Once I became incredibly powerful they'd try to stay out of war with me even if the relations sucked.

BTW, the hourglass is at 1744 now. It's weird, it seems like the rate at which it counts back slows down.
 

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It's nice to know they're going back in time. Empire and Napoleon did a very poor job of having the same atmosphere as the previous games. No spear walls, no flaming clouds of arrows; they didn't feel like TW games. So, whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it.
 

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Seems like it will be Shogun 2 after all. My most trusted game-website/magazine believes it too now....

Edit: This makes me sad, by the way. As much as I love TW, Japan is a setting I am just so not interested in. There's still a chance this is all just fake and we'll get something else though. I'll remain hopeful.
 

Yureina

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I would love Shogun 2. Feudal Japan is one of my personal favorite historical settings. Also, it was their first game, so it would be cool to see them update it with all the new things that they have learned in making these games since that first one. :)
 

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HK_01 said:
Edit: This makes me sad, by the way. As much as I love TW, Japan is a setting I am just so not interested in. There's still a chance this is all just fake and we'll get something else though. I'll remain hopeful.
Hey, now you know how I (and many others) felt when Empire was announced. Unfortunately, they can't make everyone happy... except by making Rome2... ;)
 

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666Chaos said:
HK_01 said:
Nunny said:
I would like to see a proper full world version, complete with the ability to play all factions from Major Powers to small island tribes. Also with a time scale that doesnt go fowards one bloody year every turn...
That might be...hard to do.
Il assume your talking about the full world not the one year turn since i think shogun was only a season not a year. I understand that a full world would be really hard to do since not all countries were exactly at the same level of development. I could see it now small african village using pointy sticks vs the roman empire.
Yep, I was talking about the scope, not the turn-length.

Jandau said:
HK_01 said:
Edit: This makes me sad, by the way. As much as I love TW, Japan is a setting I am just so not interested in. There's still a chance this is all just fake and we'll get something else though. I'll remain hopeful.
Hey, now you know how I (and many others) felt when Empire was announced. Unfortunately, they can't make everyone happy... except by making Rome2... ;)
I felt the same when they announced Empire....I wasn't very fond of the whole gunpowder age thing from the start, even though it did turn into a pretty good game(my opinion, don't argue with it).
 

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Oh good. Looks like that Shogun link isn't legit (see OP update). Leaves it open for Rome 2 again...


Btw, can anybody tell if the ration of sand from top to bottom has actually changed?
 

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almostgold said:
Oh good. Looks like that Shogun link isn't legit (see OP update). Leaves it open for Rome 2 again...


Btw, can anybody tell if the ration of sand from top to bottom has actually changed?
The sand hasn't really changed as far as I can tell.

Also, think about this riddle which they have given the fans:

"In Spring it roams not
Maybe eastern sun rises
Nor will it show guns"
 

Weaver

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Please be shogun 2!

Hell, maybe it will be something we haven't played before.

At this time it's at 1744
 

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HK_01 said:
Also, think about this riddle which they have given the fans:

"In Spring it roams not
Maybe eastern sun rises
Nor will it show guns"
So it's not rome (roam = rome)
it's not shogun (show guns = shogun)

Maybe eastern sun rises. Perhaps we could get a game based in China?
Possibly the ming dynasty?
Maybe another Japanese game that isn't shogun?
 

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HK_01 said:
Also, think about this riddle which they have given the fans:

"In Spring it roams not
Maybe eastern sun rises
Nor will it show guns"
Nice. Let's figure that one out.

-'In Spring it roams not': I assume this talks about the release date. Possibly not, but seems most likely.

-'Nor will it show guns': No gunpowder. Already confirmed. Easy.

-Which leaves: 'Maybe eastern sun rises' Shit. Seems to hint to the possibility of oriental gameplay. But the word 'Maybe' makes me wonder. Possible that its set somewhere else, with the possibilty of eventually reaching the orient (ala going to America in Medieval 2?). Just a thought.

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So it's not rome (roam = rome)
it's not shogun (show guns = shogun)

Maybe eastern sun rises. Perhaps we could get a game based in China?
Possibly the ming dynasty?
Maybe another Japanese game that isn't shogun?
Or this interpretation.
 

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1774 already.

I kind of hoped it would be something based around the franco-prussio wars era.
 

HK_01

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"I love that so many people are thinking it's going to be a new Shogun game when CA have spent millions developing a naval battle system for warscape only to then go and make a game that is pretty much landlocked -yeah like their really going to do that

I mean the Shogun naval encounters are legendary."

-Administrator on TW forums

Kind of an interesting angle he's got there. Hopefully he's right that it won't be Shogun II.

Talking of which, naval battles in Rome would be epic. What they'd have to include is troops which are transported on ships actually being able to participate in the battle(if you have archers, fire at the other ships; legionnaires board the enemy, etc.)
 

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HK_01 said:
Jandau said:
HK_01 said:
It's Shogun 2! [http://kotaku.com/5549952/total-war-ditches-gunpowder-returns-to-japan] :)
Sorry to disappoint you but on the official forums they(an admin) called that Turkish website an obvious fake.


Edit:

"Guys, speculate to your hearts content but please do not attempt to derail this thread by posting links to what is clearly fictitious and unsubstantiated information, I will not be giving out any more warnings on this point.

Anyone who posts such information or links to it from this moment on will receive 1 day bans.

Thank you."

That's exactly what he said.

Source:
http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/71479/t/It-s-the-final-countdown.html?page=32
I'm a frequent visitor and user of that Turkish site. I'm not implying anything, but a friend who basicly runs a CA acknowledged fan site got a raging CA staff member at the end of his chat screen when he re-posted that news. The "Turkish site" claimed that their E3 booth visitor forms(or something like that) were stating the booth name as "Shogun 2: Total War". They even posted a screenshot of it.

I'm not sure if it's real, but it's highly possible that they posted that "confidential" information, simply by misunderstanding what they were allowed to share with the public.

Anyway, never played Shogun, Rome was my favorite of the series. Maybe this will give me the excuse to try Shogun out.

There goes my first post to the Escapist forums. ^^

Edit: I noticed that the site removed this piece of "news". It seems fishy.