Toy Story 4 Coming 2017

[Trishbot]

I'm sure, somehow, someway, this is entirely Cars 2's fault.

I'm still amazed that it used to be like this:
Pixar: Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Finding Nemo, Wall-E, Ratatouille, The Incredibles, Up
Dreamworks: Antz, Shark Tale, Shrek 3, Over the Hedge, Bee Movie

And now it's like this:
Pixar: Cars, Cars 2, Brave, Monsters University, Finding Dory
Dreamworks: How to Train Your Dragon, Rise of the Guardians, Kung Fu Panda 2, The Croods

Now, all the films have SOME merits, and opinions vary, but I used to adore Pixar and despise Dreamworks as doing nothing but copying Disney's success, and now Dreamworks made most of my favorite animated films while Pixar mostly copies their own prior success.

 

[hermes]

Well... there it goes

Pixar was the studio that created 3D feature films, and the best proponent to its era. Heck, the Academy even created an Oscar that should be named "because we wanted to give something to them". Now it seems like they are reduced to a shadow of their former self.

Goodnight, sweet prince. It was a good ride while it lasted.

 

[PunkRex]

I'm still the only fucker on this site that likes Cars I see, right, cool, good to know.

OT: STAPH!

I'm sure, somehow, someway, this is entirely Cars 2's fault.

Come on man, all I ever see is people shizz over these films. I'll admit that they're not perfect but kids love them and they're not spreading bad morals, I do not get peoples beef with them.

I am looking forward to the second Incredibles movie, if there was one film Pixar could make a decent franchise of it was that one.

 

[The Great JT]

Uh, really? You sure you couldn't do a new movie? I mean, I'm grateful for another Toy Story, but I don't remember crying out for one.

 

[Kahani]

On the one hand, this really doesn't need a sequel. But on the other hand, it didn't need a sequel the first or second time either, and those both turned out pretty awesome.

The only real problem I can see is that to date, Pixar have made a total of just 4 sequels. Three of those were in their last four films. Those last four films also happen to contain three of their four worst reviewed films. Now, 4 of their next 6 known films are sequels, including yet another one for Cars, by far their worst received but best for merchandise franchise. So while seeing another Toy Story doesn't sound terrible in isolation, there really does seem to be a bit of an unfortunate pattern forming.

Also rather unfortunately, while making sure the numbers above were correct I was forced to notice when various Pixar films were released. Goddammit time, stop making me feel old.

 

[Verlander]

Manager: "Hey! Hey you there?! Why is this money printer not turned on??!!"

 

[Marik2]

Guessing the conflict will be how kids these days have smartphones and tablets, so they don't really play with toys.

 

[Kahani]

Come on man, all I ever see is people shizz over these films. I'll admit that they're not perfect but kids love them and they're not spreading bad morals, I do not get peoples beef with them.

It's basically a problem with expectations. Pixar films have mostly been adult films presented in a way that also appeals to children. Finding Nemo follows a single father struggling to connect with his only child. Up is about an elderly widower dealing with property issues and the memories of his dead wife. Monsters Inc deals with job security and ethics. Wall-E is about environmentalism, consumerism, complacency, and so on. The Incredibles is about a couple coming to terms with maturity as they are forced to stop gallivanting around as they used to and deal with jobs, houses, and raising children. And so on. Largely presented in a light-hearted, entertaining way, and with plenty of sub-themes aimed at other age groups, but they're very much adult films.

Cars, on the other hand, is a kids film pure and simple. As you say it's not really a bad one, it's just that where people expected another adult-themed Pixar film they instead got a kid-themed Disney one. Not coincidentally, Cars 2, Brave and Monsters University are all similarly child-oriented films, and together with the first Cars make up the four worst reviewed Pixar films I mentioned above. Interestingly, I'd consider A Bugs Life to be exactly the same, and actually the worst Pixar film by far, but it actually had pretty decent reviews. Being only the second Pixar film, it's entirely possible that that's simply because the expectations weren't there and people were happy to see nothing more than a silly animated children's film.

 

[Jacked Assassin]

Toy Story 4: The Revenge Of The Brave Little Toaster

 

[Flatfrog]

Name one film franchise that was actually good after the 3rd installment.

Well, James Bond springs to mind.
Planet of The Apes might just about count.
X-Men.
Star Trek.
And I'd argue the MCU movies constitute a single franchise to some extent.

(I haven't seen any The Fast and the Furious but I understand there's some pretty good late ones of those too)

 

[Evonisia]

What has happened to Pixar since Up!? Why? Why do all these sequels to your films. With the exception of Toy Story 3, Pixar seems to be increasingly messy at this point. I don't even know if I can be hopeful for The Incredibles 2.

Time to eat ice cream and sob, I'm not sure if I mean that literally yet.

 

[Flatfrog]

Name one film franchise that was actually good after the 3rd installment.

Well, James Bond springs to mind.
Planet of The Apes might just about count.
X-Men.
Star Trek.
And I'd argue the MCU movies constitute a single franchise to some extent.

(I haven't seen any The Fast and the Furious but I understand there's some pretty good late ones of those too)

I'll give you James Bond, Apes and the MCU, but no STar Trek ... was not good... it didn't even have a Good 3rd installment...same for X-Men..

Point is though...there are very very few film franchises that pull it off and heck even among those you name.. none are actually children centric.

Moving the goalposts a little with the children-centric bit - how many children's franchises even are there? For what it's worth, I thought Shrek 4 wasn't bad - certainly better then Shrek 3 which was unspeakably awful. And the Muppets Christmas Carol is pretty good (I just checked, its IMDB rating is about the same as the first two movies)

And sorry, I won't accept your knockback on Star Trek or on X-Men. I agree, the third installment of both was crap, that wasn't your original challenge. But Star Trek 4 is widely regarded as one of the high points of the series, and both Undiscovered Country and First Contact are well up to the standard of the earlier films. As for X-Men, First Class and Days of Future Past are both rated higher than either X-Men or X-Men 2.

 

[Ickabod]

Because Indiana Jones 4 worked out so well.

ugh 3 ended in perfection.

 

[o_d]

Well at least john lasseter is involved. The best it could be is good but unnecessary.

Still better then cars.

Lasseter directed Cars.

 

[PunkRex]

It's basically a problem with expectations. Pixar films have mostly been adult films presented in a way that also appeals to children. Finding Nemo follows a single father struggling to connect with his only child. Up is about an elderly widower dealing with property issues and the memories of his dead wife. Monsters Inc deals with job security and ethics. Wall-E is about environmentalism, consumerism, complacency, and so on. The Incredibles is about a couple coming to terms with maturity as they are forced to stop gallivanting around as they used to and deal with jobs, houses, and raising children. And so on. Largely presented in a light-hearted, entertaining way, and with plenty of sub-themes aimed at other age groups, but they're very much adult films.

Cars, on the other hand, is a kids film pure and simple. As you say it's not really a bad one, it's just that where people expected another adult-themed Pixar film they instead got a kid-themed Disney one. Not coincidentally, Cars 2, Brave and Monsters University are all similarly child-oriented films, and together with the first Cars make up the four worst reviewed Pixar films I mentioned above. Interestingly, I'd consider A Bugs Life to be exactly the same, and actually the worst Pixar film by far, but it actually had pretty decent reviews. Being only the second Pixar film, it's entirely possible that that's simply because the expectations weren't there and people were happy to see nothing more than a silly animated children's film.

GAWDAMMIT, STAPH!!! HOPPER'S MY FAVORITE VILLAIN!!!

Butt cereal, I can see where you're coming from, although I'd argue the problems with Brave at least had little to do with it's target audience.

 

[Flatfrog]

Srsly.. you thought STar Trek 4 was good.. a trip through time to save whales... with the most Hamfisted environmental message this side of free willy?... No accounting for taste.

Not just me - wasn't The Voyage Home the one that established the whole 'even numbers good, odd numbers bad' rule for Star Trek movies?

For what it's worth, I think it's an incredibly cheesy movie and, yes, hamfisted as hell, but it was fun and well-paced and had its heart in the right place. It's easy to forget how the original Star Trek always had a balance of serious SF and light humour. I've been re-watching it recently and it was much, much better than I expected, Tribbles and all.

As for X-Men first Class that is technically a reboot.

It most certainly is not, it's a prequel, which was explicitly tied in with the other movies.

The point is , the 4th installment of any franchise is more likely to be bad than good. and yes the trend with sequels worsens when children's movies are involved hell Toy Story was the franchise that proved to be the exception.

Of course, I'm not denying that. But you can't throw out a statement like "Name one film franchise that was actually good after the 3rd installment" and expect to get away with it

 

[Steve the Pocket]

Pixar sequels are proof that the Hollywood Machine won't even trust the single best team of filmmakers in the world with new IPs anymore.

Burn it all to the ground. Burn it, salt the ashes, put a legal cap on how big a media company is allowed to get and etch it into the hardest stone with a chisel of pure diamond so it can never rise again.

 

[FPLOON]

I'm still the only fucker on this site that likes Cars I see, right, cool, good to know.

<link=http://mylittlefacewhen.com/media/f/img/mlfw939_Fluttershy_Kick.gif>But... uh... I like Cars, too... In fact, I say that I like how Cars 2 had the car puns I wished were in the first movie somehow... But, I digress...

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But seriously, I say "Challenge Accepted"... Let's see how this one pans out and then we'll see if this was worth our time or not... I mean, they've already made two sequels that were better than expected... Why not go for Round 3? Heck, they could even tackle the gender toy debate on a more deeper scale if they wanted, especially if we're expecting another timeskip to compensate for the time since the last movie...