Trailers: XCOM - Gameplay Trailer
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Its not a real xcom game unless my units cant hit the broad side of barn.
All trolling aside, the game does look like it has some promise to it. I just have no clue how they're going to tie this into the other xcom games as a "prequel". I mean these aliens are nothing like the ones in the other games, and unless they're a different race that fights the ones from the original games or something, its going to be a far stretch.
I really hope they dont go through the game, have you beat these ones. Then at the very end, you get a brief glimpse of a sectoid or something, with the words "to be continued..." because then it'd kind of just feel like a cheap cash in to me.
Oh well, I guess we'll see soon enough
All trolling aside, the game does look like it has some promise to it. I just have no clue how they're going to tie this into the other xcom games as a "prequel". I mean these aliens are nothing like the ones in the other games, and unless they're a different race that fights the ones from the original games or something, its going to be a far stretch.
I really hope they dont go through the game, have you beat these ones. Then at the very end, you get a brief glimpse of a sectoid or something, with the words "to be continued..." because then it'd kind of just feel like a cheap cash in to me.
Oh well, I guess we'll see soon enough
My message to 2K:
Please for the love of god, rename that game. It will be much better received if it's allowed to stand on it's own merits. Stop claiming that you're "Re-inventing" X-com. I played the original game in my early teens and any notion of it feeling "overwhelming" was what gave it the reputation of being a scary game. The whole atmosphere of the game, the music, art stile, the genuine danger of losing your entire team during a mission, never knowing what was going to be around the corner, all of these things contributed to a racing heartbeat when the next wave of alien ships came flying in.
You sirs did not make a X-com game.
We don't want this.
We really don't.
Please for the love of god, rename that game. It will be much better received if it's allowed to stand on it's own merits. Stop claiming that you're "Re-inventing" X-com. I played the original game in my early teens and any notion of it feeling "overwhelming" was what gave it the reputation of being a scary game. The whole atmosphere of the game, the music, art stile, the genuine danger of losing your entire team during a mission, never knowing what was going to be around the corner, all of these things contributed to a racing heartbeat when the next wave of alien ships came flying in.
You sirs did not make a X-com game.
We don't want this.
We really don't.
Can someone please tell these people they're making a sequel to X-COM not 51 BLACKSITE.
They seem to have their IP confused, someone needs to set them straight right away.
They seem to have their IP confused, someone needs to set them straight right away.
This does like it could end up being a decent and even good game, but calling it a sequel to X-Com is like falling Mass Effect a sequel to X-Com.
Different time period: check.
Different aliens: check.
Different genre: check.
Different character advancement: check.
Different special abilities: check.
Different continuity: check.
...you know, I kind of thought I would have found some sort of major difference, but ME really DOES look like what might have happened if 2k would have done a future interpretation of the game instead of jumping back in time.
Different time period: check.
Different aliens: check.
Different genre: check.
Different character advancement: check.
Different special abilities: check.
Different continuity: check.
...you know, I kind of thought I would have found some sort of major difference, but ME really DOES look like what might have happened if 2k would have done a future interpretation of the game instead of jumping back in time.
So much about this seems wrong.
1. Why is your squad limited to three people? Part of X-COM involves your squad losing members, that means you need red shirts.
2. Why do the aliens only focus on the officer?
3. It feels overly scripted, no two X-COM play throughs are exactly the same because a huge chunk of it was done procedurally. We can do much more with that now, yet this game just feels scripted with too many cinematics.
4. Why do enemies use normal guns?
5. Why are they using time units? This is a real time game. You should just be treating it as as time. If something is supposed to take a large number of time units, then make it force the agents performing the action to sit there exposed instead.
6. The enemies seem pretty bland. Scripted block people aren't half as scary as the idea that there is a chryssalid on the battle field who will kill all of your soldiers and turn them into more chryssalids. Likewise the feeling when a turn is ended after firing a full automatic shot from a heavy plasma into a muton only to have it still standing is never pleasant. Then there's there will always be that first battle against etherals before you have any psionics of your own where you'll be lucky to have any of your squad survive the battle. So yeah... block enemies who "convert" civilians off screen or in cut scenes seems pretty damn weak.
1. Why is your squad limited to three people? Part of X-COM involves your squad losing members, that means you need red shirts.
2. Why do the aliens only focus on the officer?
3. It feels overly scripted, no two X-COM play throughs are exactly the same because a huge chunk of it was done procedurally. We can do much more with that now, yet this game just feels scripted with too many cinematics.
4. Why do enemies use normal guns?
5. Why are they using time units? This is a real time game. You should just be treating it as as time. If something is supposed to take a large number of time units, then make it force the agents performing the action to sit there exposed instead.
6. The enemies seem pretty bland. Scripted block people aren't half as scary as the idea that there is a chryssalid on the battle field who will kill all of your soldiers and turn them into more chryssalids. Likewise the feeling when a turn is ended after firing a full automatic shot from a heavy plasma into a muton only to have it still standing is never pleasant. Then there's there will always be that first battle against etherals before you have any psionics of your own where you'll be lucky to have any of your squad survive the battle. So yeah... block enemies who "convert" civilians off screen or in cut scenes seems pretty damn weak.
I'm kind of looking forward to it now. I'll accept it as some sort of reboot origin story for X-Com, but I'll most importantly hope that if this game does well that they'll humour us with a proper strategy game.
That said, I also see this as a last chance for X-Com, if XCOM doesn't sell at all then I figure the franchise will be buried for good.
That said, it does get a few things right, squad hiring and management, capturing alien tech and taking it back for research. "Oh crap" moments when you see your opposition and fearing you won't make it at all. And having to out-think rather than out-gun your opponent in the early stages of the game.
I would like it however if you could bring more than two guys to the party, heh.
That said, I also see this as a last chance for X-Com, if XCOM doesn't sell at all then I figure the franchise will be buried for good.
That said, it does get a few things right, squad hiring and management, capturing alien tech and taking it back for research. "Oh crap" moments when you see your opposition and fearing you won't make it at all. And having to out-think rather than out-gun your opponent in the early stages of the game.
I would like it however if you could bring more than two guys to the party, heh.
I have to say... after having just watched a movie from 1963 linked in another (Movie Bob related) thread... I had to stop and say.
There's a surprising amount of 'color' in that opening film.
I'll edit this post with more X-Com shouldn't be a FPS hate when I've finished the video.
There's a surprising amount of 'color' in that opening film.
I'll edit this post with more X-Com shouldn't be a FPS hate when I've finished the video.
Yeah, this has always been my thought as well. Using the XCom name doesn't actually benefit them at all. Fans of the series as it existed are just going to be ticked off that they are stealing the name for a nearly totally unrelated game. Incoming new fans of the game they are creating aren't even going to know what XCom is/was and so the name will have no cache with them anyway.jericu said:
So... I have to admit. The game looks like it has some pretty interesting mechanics. It looks like it might be a fairly interesting FPS in a land of dull generic modern FPSers.
If only it wasn't called X-Com. If it were a new IP I'd be more interested in it.
Edit:
I see others feel the same way I do.
Editx2:
Oh... and what's the point of a squad when you have to do everything.
When that shield was paying attention to you and not your squad, way didn't THEY shoot the generator?
I've always hated the one man army thing about FPSers.
Editx3
After reading this thread in it's entirety, I have to downgrade my interest to "Somewhat interested if I'm ever bored enough to try it."
It's been a LONG time since I played X-Com... and I was young, so I was bad at it and always losing on my father's saved files... but I now remember, thanks to the above, what made the game so great.
Scary scary Sectopods... And the feeling of being uneasy because nothing was ever the same.
If only it wasn't called X-Com. If it were a new IP I'd be more interested in it.
Edit:
I see others feel the same way I do.
Editx2:
Oh... and what's the point of a squad when you have to do everything.
When that shield was paying attention to you and not your squad, way didn't THEY shoot the generator?
I've always hated the one man army thing about FPSers.
Editx3
After reading this thread in it's entirety, I have to downgrade my interest to "Somewhat interested if I'm ever bored enough to try it."
It's been a LONG time since I played X-Com... and I was young, so I was bad at it and always losing on my father's saved files... but I now remember, thanks to the above, what made the game so great.
Scary scary Sectopods... And the feeling of being uneasy because nothing was ever the same.
No. All it takes is to claim to be a part of something that it's not. When Bethesda announced a sequel to Fallout, they quickly shut down concerns from the fan community by showing us that they were making a game that was true to the franchise. 2K is clearly failing on that aspect. If they wanted to make this game, like that, they should have created a new franchise.JoesshittyOs said:
It's more sad that you don't get that.
Names are powerful. Like words, names are identity.JoesshittyOs said:
If we started to use the wrong words and just accepted it, it would mean the end of communication.
Nothing so destructive would happen with the misuse of a name, but would you not complain if the next Halo game were sports related? Or if you went to see a "Fast and the Furious" movie and found it was about RC boats?
Names are identity, and it's expected that that identity be respected.
My point still stands. A game that has a tremendous amount of potential is going to fail because it's not true to the original source materialProduct Placement said:
Entirely possible, but that's why they should be treating it like new IP instead of claiming it has a tie to a completely different history. Cats can be nice, but if you see someone trying to pass off a cat as the offspring of a horse it makes sense to point out that it clearly is not. It serves a different purpose, looks different, smells different and acts differently. This is no different.JoesshittyOs said:
Also I don't really buy the nostalgia argument. X-COM UFO Defense (the original) is on Steam now for $5, you can play the original if you feel like it. The interface is clunky, the graphics suck and the learning curve is built on a cliff. The game could definitely be rebuilt into a far better product, but this isn't it. I will even admit that it could be made into an interesting shooter with a strong co-op option to cover up for potential weaknesses with the AI.
And who should be blamed for that? Perhaps the designer who makes the claim of it being a successor to said source material?JoesshittyOs said:
Really, it's like making a new superhero that's supposedly based on an established superhero, has none of the same powers, looks totally different, yet they insist on it being the same superhero.
I'm sorry but that type of stuff will rub the fan community the wrong way, every time, regardless of how well designed the new thing might be. If you want to do things differently, don't say it's the same thing. Say it's something new. That way you'll avoid the raging fanboys who like to drown in nostalgia.
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@chimeracreator:
Of course the graphics suck, compared with todays standard. It's a nearly 20 year old game.
I'm not saying that there wasn't a reason that the graphics were that way. I was just pointing out that like the interface, AI and learning curve all of these could be improved now.Product Placement said:
Lets say we want to reboot Quake but as a child I had trouble with aiming and always felt like it was too fast pace so we are going to go for a strategic element with you managing battle arenas from a top down perspective. You can add in item spawn points and have NPCs pay admission into your battle arenas and play. You can set up concession stands to sell snacks and research new more exciting power ups to make your battle arenas more fun. You got to hire staff to clean up the battle arenas and do repairs when item spawns and jump pads start to wear down. The weapons you can expect to add to your battle arena are pistols, shotguns, sniper rifles, assault rifles, grenades, and a missile launcher. We are going to call it "QUAKE"JoesshittyOs said:
Instead of naming it something like "Battle Arena Tycoon" they go use the name Quake when it has basically nothing to do with FPS. That is whats happening with this "XCOM" reboot as it has nothing to do with the lore or gameplay of the original. Its disrespectful to slap the name of a computer game classic like X-Com on a game that really doesn't even try to come close to the original.
In unrelated news I think 2K is planning to revive the Master of Orion series as a racing game where you race space buggies on the planet Orion. They secretly will be inspired by the physics of Mass Effect's Mako driving segments.
Edit: spell check changed my mako into make >:|
Still not X-Com. I really wish they'd stop. Or at least die in a fire. Oh yes, they played the original X-Com? They really must have hated and despised it like the KKK hate non-white races.