Transexual gets ?35,000 compensation for workplace discrimination

PurplePlatypus

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nekoali said:
Slow claps of awesome for every one of your posts in this thread.
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As for what I want to say. Nothing in this world probably puts a stumbling block in the way of a transition than switching up someones gender whenever you see fit. It just slows the process down and makes it more difficult for everyone. And hell, it makes it worse because she tried to quite, they wanted to keep her.
 

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cynicalsaint1 said:
SaneAmongInsane said:
It seems actually both sides tried to be accomodating, but the employer was ignorant in the legal social ways they were suppose to handle the situation. And I do praise them for at least trying, mind you, but ignorance is not a legal defense for breaking the law. Which they did, because they did discriminate.

Also anyone that thinks that a transexual person wants this kind of situation to happen is a fucking moron. Clearly any rational human being would choose to be accepted by society instead of out being discriminated and humiliate, then made right with a couple bills in their pocket. Companies are actually in the better position, because they can either stand by their employee and possibly lose some ignorant customers OR they can flat out dismiss the employee and take a one time monetary hit and continue on as usual.
I don't think I ever said anything about the transgender person wanting to be in the situation. Really my point is that is that the article made it sound like the company was caught in a Catch-22 here, in which case its bad for everyone - I mean if you were running a business and heard a story like this chances are you'd think twice about hiring a transgendered individual.

It seems to me that there's a fine line to walked here, and not a lot of reason to attempt to walk it. Ironic that it would have been better for both parties if she had simply quit.
That bit wasn't directed at you. I apologize for the confusion.

I disagree, I think I think the middle ground is they should of fired her and immediately offered to mediate a monetary compensation. Would of saved everyones time, and legally and morally they're in the wrong. If I was a company owner and I took issue that would be the route I take. No different then having one of your employees getting addicted to heavy drugs, legally you can't fire them so long as they're seeking rehab.
 

nekoali

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Ironically enough.. that is exactly what LGBT people want. To be held to the same standards as anyone else, and have the same legal rights as anyone else. You can't fire a cisgender woman for being a woman. You can't fire a cisgender man for wearing a dress. But as soon as the person in question is transgender, that goes out the window and in most places they can be legally fired. Does that sound like we are being held to the same standards that cisgender people are?

Also.. people keep saying that she 'looks like a man in a dress'. Unless some of you have seen pictures and I haven't, we have no idea what she looks like. Maybe she does. Maybe she doesn't. People just see that she's trans and 50 and are making the assumption that she is not passable.

Even if she wasn't though, transgender people do have the legal right to transition. Even in areas where we are denied other rights, we still have the right to go through the steps deemed appropriate by the medical and legal authorities to transition and have our gender identification changed after the appropriate steps. People who refuse to accept this are denying us that legal right.
 

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tigermilk said:
Hiphophippo said:
brb, getting a vagina surgically implanted. Gotta get that money!
You must have a pretty strong stomach (or really need the money). I am pretty sure they cut the penis down the middle then invert it. I'm doing a reverse cowboy (squeezing my legs together, not to be mistaken for the reverse cowgirl) just thinking about it.
I'm reasonably sure I could have done without that explanation. I just want you to know that my penis hurts now. So there's that. You, good sir, have direct control of another man's penis via the internet.

Sleep on that.
 

tigermilk

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Hiphophippo said:
tigermilk said:
Hiphophippo said:
brb, getting a vagina surgically implanted. Gotta get that money!
You must have a pretty strong stomach (or really need the money). I am pretty sure they cut the penis down the middle then invert it. I'm doing a reverse cowboy (squeezing my legs together, not to be mistaken for the reverse cowgirl) just thinking about it.
I'm reasonably sure I could have done without that explanation. I just want you to know that my penis hurts now. So there's that. You, good sir, have direct control of another man's penis via the internet.

Sleep on that.
I woke up to this message, not what I expected first thing in the morning. Hope you have recovered.
 

Therumancer

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I have mixed opinions on the subject.

I believe that conformity within society is fairly important, and that the people who run businesses and such have the right to decide who works for them, and to run their businesses in such a way to attract and keep customers.

When it comes to things like sexual identity, fetishes, and extreme lifestyle choices, a lot of people defend these things and insist that discrimination is wrong, but at the same time if a lot of those people were trying to run a business they probably wouldn't feel the same way, if some employee was chasing away most of the customers by making them uncomfortable.

It's one of those issues where there isn't a perfect solution to the situation, which is why incidents like this persist.

My basic attitude is that an employer should have the right to determine what someone on their payroll does in the workplace. What they choose to do on their own time however is their own business, as long as it doesn't wind up directly having a bearing on the workplace.

Some adult who cannot be happy unless he's wearing a diaper filld with his own feces and nothing else for example, should not have that lifestyle choice catered to by a business because "it's just how he is, it's natural and normal for him". If he chooses to do that at home however, that's his own business, and someone shouldn't be fired if that kind of "adult baby" lifestyle is uncovered, assuming it is in no way becoming associated with the business.

The same applies to overt religious symbolism (wearing Turbans, visible cruicifixs, pentagrams, or whatever else) or demanding to be able to cross dress on the job instead of wearing the uniform and/or following the prescribed, presumably conservative, dress code.

Now, in some businesses operations are on a large enough scale where you can make certain allowances. Someone who has an extreme presentation can be allowed to work back of the house wearing a turban or whatever, and just not permitted into public areas. That's a fairly resonable compromise all told, despite people complaining about it. In cases of this sort, I think the amount of effort a company makes within it's resources to accomodate an employee matters, they cannot however expect businesses to commit suicide.

It's also important to understand consistincy as part of this arguement as well. See, if you start saying "well, it's okay for you to wear a Turban and display your faith" then it opens the door for someone else to say want to display a cruicifix or star of david. If one is accepted or denied, then you have some even nastier grounds for discrimination. You start letting everyone wear religious symbols, and then why can't people wear non-religious symbols? Does an "Insane Clown Posse" T-shirt count as a religious symbol to a Juggalo? How about the face paint?

In general I tend to be dismiss most claims of discrimination in the workplace when it comes down to an employer not making a singular exception that is being demanded due to the doors it opens. I think it's perfectly reasonable for an employer to establish a dress code that can include everything from style of dress, to hair style, to what kind of visible jewelery might be permitted, as long as they are consistant with it. You violate that policy, and yeah, that is grounds for being booted.

In the case of the incident in this article, I think there is more to the story. After all apparently this whole transexual thing was known since 2006 and just recently became an issue due to customer reaction. As I understand things, it seems to point towards people suddenly having an extreme reaction, and that is grounds for dismissal. Why your freaking out the customers is irrelevent, the business has a right to do what it needs to do in order to stay in business... and as things seem, they DID apparently try and find ways to compromise.