Trump admits to Bob Woodward that He Knew How Deadly Covid-19 was back in February of this Year.

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The US pulled that shit for thirty years and covered up well-known risks to public health, and y'all motherfuckers are whipping out your fainting chairs in record speed. Guess what, the government lies about risks of government and private activity while downplaying public health effects all the damn time; in this, Trump is neither unique, unprecedented, or really in any way outstanding.

Wait 'till you hear about the times the US deliberately staged biological and chemical weapons attacks against its own citizens. Case in point,

The actual risks of tear gas:


Versus what the government and police forces say about tear gas:


If I were you guys, I'd be asking why Woodward sat on the information for seven months while Americans suffered and died, until the moment in which it would have maximum impact on book sales. Because Woodward admitted himself as much.
 

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Probably did that to prevent panic. Because he wouldn't never do or say anything that might inspire unrest or panic.

But I guess that's just him playing to his base. Funny how that works.
 

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Zero. Zero fewer people would have died if he "revealed" this in February. There was a national public health emergency declared before this was recorded.







And the virtual repository of all of Trump's BS that people listened to and acted accordingly.


First off, the gall of Trump to try to call out a 'debacle' over how Swine Flu was handled when 17,000 people died. Literally over ten times the number of people died from Covid due to what he's been doing.

People died taking hydroxychloroquine because Trump continued to push it with no real evidence. And suspicious that he has any claim in the company that makes it. Just telling the US to "Just Take it". He resisted

He opened up the country again without any guidelines on how to do so. He would not make masks mandatory which is basically the only defense we have. He downplayed the severity of it and people that I personally know listened to Trump and caught the virus. He resisted getting better testing.

I'm not interested in a lengthy discussion over interpreting the facts in a beneficial way for Trump. I'm just showing what actually happened.

Whatever national emergency was declared needed All Americans to heed the guidelines necessary to stem this. Instead of attempting to 'be presidential' and explain the hazards of this virus (which we now know he knew very well), he supported Protests against state governments that didn't want to reopen with the numbers being so high.

Trump caused death. As I said, I'm not interested in revisionist theory. Nor do I think anyone outside of the cult is any more. I wish you and your family well. But after what has happened to my family due to this man and his agenda, I will not heed any apologist at this time.

Be safe and please live long.
 

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Well that's just genuinely presidential. The man actually considered the consequences of his words and attempted to inspire hope, and there's evidence of it. Crazy.
“Presidential?” “Presidential” would have been a measured and honest response with clear direction to the people on how best to mitigate risk and exposure, not going on TV and literally equating it to the flu when he knew the real danger of this virus, then attacking local governments that attempted their own efforts to protect their people, unsupported by the PRESIDENT that knew exactly the danger we were/are all in.

My Facebook feed is awash with Trump supporters (I don’t do politics on FB, but I’ve got quite a few people who do) who demand respect for the office of Commander in Chief, that “we” should support Trump, that he’s “our” president, etc., but those same people couldn’t WAIT to defame, disparage and spread false information about the office of the president when Obama held it. I wonder how they would react if all these Trump headlines were about Obama, if it were Hilary, if it were anyone other than the overtly bigoted and sexist megalomaniac they hitched their wagon to 4 years ago and everyday since. Inarguably the most divisive “president” this nation has ever seen, rife with controversy that most recently affected the American people to the tune of 190K lives and counting.

I keep expecting to wake up, the past 4 years a fever dream, but alas, here we are. People keep making excuses for a man whose own interests and image are more important than the +300M Americans he’s supposed to lead, a man that panders to a demographic of hatred (his core constituency,) a man for whom the party lines are the frontlines in an war he intentionally incites, and it’s disgusting. The whole world sees it from afar, yet so many right here can’t see it right in their faces.
 
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Well that's just genuinely presidential. The man actually considered the consequences of his words and attempted to inspire hope, and there's evidence of it. Crazy.
Yes, it is very presidential to consider the impact that your words as president will have on the completely inadequate response to a national crisis. What the people really need above all is leadership that won't inspire panic as hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths occur.
 

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My Facebook feed is awash with Trump supporters (I don’t do politics on FB, but I’ve got quite a few people who do) who demand respect for the office of Commander in Chief, that “we” should support Trump, that he’s “our” president, etc., but those same people couldn’t WAIT to defame, disparage and spread false information about the office of the president when Obama held it.
Every conservative accusation is a confession. This should be common knowledge by now.

At this point, Trump supporters have redefined words like "sensible," "patriotic," "presidential," etc to just mean whatever Trump is doing at that particular moment in time. They make excuses for him because regardless of how many people die, Trump has given his base the license to act like the selfish, anti-human savages they always were and pretended not to be.
 

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Every conservative accusation is a confession. This should be common knowledge by now.

At this point, Trump supporters have redefined words like "sensible," "patriotic," "presidential," etc to just mean whatever Trump is doing at that particular moment in time. They make excuses for him because regardless of how many people die, Trump has given his base the license to act like the selfish, anti-human savages they always were and pretended not to be.
"Make America Great Again" was basically code for "You remember when you, the cis white male and those who he supports were the only ones that were listened to? Don't you want that again? Vote me in as president and I'll pander to everything you want".

Thereby, "Keep America Great" is code for "LOOK, THEY ARE COMING AGAIN TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE LESS POWER THAN YOU DESERVE!!"

Wasn't there a poster here who basically glowed at the thought of Trump being elected again to punish Democrats for simply being democrats? This is the mindset we're dealing with. Nothing based in logic. Just "You're different from me. Suffer due to that fact".

I still try to hold respect for Republicans. But I can not do it any more. I just told one of my best friends that I can not talk to her husband any more if he votes for Trump again after knowing this. Because he said he was sorry for my family and that it was a terrible thing to befall us. And if he knows that Trump's misinformation campaign directly lead to the deaths of over 190,000 when that number could have been contained with true information... I can not have someone that false in my life any more.
 
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Well that's just genuinely presidential. The man actually considered the consequences of his words and attempted to inspire hope, and there's evidence of it. Crazy.
It isn't. It would have been presidential had he spoken inspiring and hopeful words while getting the federal government to work on preparing for the pandemic to reach US soil. That way he could at least claim to have lied for the sake of letting federal organizations work in peace and to not start a panic. But he didn't. He said it was no big deal and then did nothing, which has now led to over a hundred thousand premature deaths in the US.
 

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Well that's just genuinely presidential. The man actually considered the consequences of his words and attempted to inspire hope, and there's evidence of it. Crazy.
You can do better then that.

No, downplaying a pandemic is not being presidential. What's presidential is getting on national television and honestly admit the coming times will be hard but that we'll all get through it together, and that you already have a long line of policies to ensure that we do.

Its what every responsible politician, even fellow demagogues like Boris Johnson have done.
 

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As I said, I'm not interested in revisionist theory.
The history being written in the news is blaming the man for a pandemic, when he has done repeatedly what the federal specialists have said to. The story being told is false, it needs to be revised.
It isn't. It would have been presidential had he spoken inspiring and hopeful words while getting the federal government to work on preparing for the pandemic to reach US soil. That way he could at least claim to have lied for the sake of letting federal organizations work in peace and to not start a panic. But he didn't. He said it was no big deal and then did nothing, which has now led to over a hundred thousand premature deaths in the US.
For better or worse, we have a giant federal bureaucracy that does these things. We have a center for disease control that does things. It doesn't matter what the president does or who it is, the cogs start spinning on their own. Unfortunately, when Trump tells you exactly what they're saying, he's ignored, and when he expresses hope, he's "fact-checked." And when a manufacturing error delays testing shortly, it becomes a conspiracy to hide cases. And when Democrats and the media accuse the government of not doing it and he calls that a hoax, they broadcast to the world that he called the virus a hoax.

Nothing Trump did lead to over a hundred thousand premature deaths. A pandemic did that. Trying to pin it on people you like least is just immature. It's no better when conservatives try and blame Cuomo for New York.

No, downplaying a pandemic is not being presidential. What's presidential is getting on national television and honestly admit the coming times will be hard but that we'll all get through it together, and that you already have a long line of policies to ensure that we do.
Well no. You want to talk about downplaying a pandemic? Claiming it wouldn't have killed people if Trump had acted differently. Did Trump downplay it? Sure. So have all of you. Claiming Trump being harsher about it would have saved people from dying? That's downplaying the virus.
 

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Well no. You want to talk about downplaying a pandemic? Claiming it wouldn't have killed people if Trump had acted differently. Did Trump downplay it? Sure. So have all of you. Claiming Trump being harsher about it would have saved people from dying? That's downplaying the virus.
Not really. If you make precautions and foster awareness in the public then less people die.
If you don't make precautions and try to convince the public that its no big deal then more people die.
Its really that simple.

There would always have been many deaths but less if the right decisions were made. There's a reason why many other countries perform far better in tackling Corona.
 

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"President knew danger of virus weeks after closing travel from China and having national health emergency declaration" isn't exactly a bombshell. It'd be damning if they had secret recordings of him not understanding the threat after the national health emergency declaration.

I just don't live in the world where Trump is the virus and the solution is more terror.
I think the problem is the disconnect between knowing there's a really dangerous virus, and then doing nothing about it for over a month, and undermining campaigns to do something about it when they finally got going.

I mean, imagine you've a commander of a fort, and the lookouts announce there are enemy troops on the way. I'd certainly commend the commander who gave his troops a rousing speech, encouraging them to fight and telling them that they can hold the enemy off. But if he didn't bother getting them out barracks, armed and defending the walls in time to stop the enemy scaling them, I don't think he would go down in history as "man who understood the value of maintaining good morale".
 

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The US pulled that shit for thirty years and covered up well-known risks to public health, and y'all motherfuckers are whipping out your fainting chairs in record speed. Guess what, the government lies about risks of government and private activity while downplaying public health effects all the damn time; in this, Trump is neither unique, unprecedented, or really in any way outstanding.

Wait 'till you hear about the times the US deliberately staged biological and chemical weapons attacks against its own citizens. Case in point,

The actual risks of tear gas:


Versus what the government and police forces say about tear gas:


If I were you guys, I'd be asking why Woodward sat on the information for seven months while Americans suffered and died, until the moment in which it would have maximum impact on book sales. Because Woodward admitted himself as much.
While I agree with the general theme of this message, by that same logic why get all in a tizzy over Woodward withholding the info, because "person does something awful and immoral for the prospect of more money" is an even more tattered and old hat than "US lies about health concerns to its citizens".
 
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I think the problem is the disconnect between knowing there's a really dangerous virus, and then doing nothing about it for over a month, and undermining campaigns to do something about it when they finally got going.
Nobody did nothing about it, and many of the campaigns to do something about it were not being advised by the actual experts.
 

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Nobody did nothing about it, and many of the campaigns to do something about it were not being advised by the actual experts.
But the advice from your president was "it's not big deal," despite his knowing better, and you're ok with that?
 

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At this point, Trump supporters have redefined words like "sensible," "patriotic," "presidential,"
Since 2017, "presidential" means a sort of minimally competent "spoken coherently without boasts and insults".
 

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My only takeaway from this is way to be a patriot Bob. Way to sit on this recording and news for 7 months so it beefs up your book sales. I mean its not like this information could have been useful when all the shit actually began, and American lives could have been saved. No, that's just silly. Its just plain good, honest reporting to wait until after thousands of people are dead to report that the president was deliberately downplaying the deadliness of the T-Virus and that thousands of people could die if he didn't stop.

Truly this is Trump's America. Everyone has a price. Bob's is a new book.
 
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He didn't just downplay it. He attacked everyone who tried to warn people about how serious it was. It's exactly what a psychopath would do. He didn't simply act like he didn't care or like it was harmful to his reelection campaign. He acted as if he wanted more people to die.