You know what. I'm going to buy hatred out of spite. Yes spite. I don't care if it's a good game or not. Just the fact that people are going to far out of their way to dismiss something that should be allowed to exist compelles me to support it.
Twitch Bans Streaming of "Adults Only" Games - Update
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Umm, no.direkiller said:
It's 5 games that are not rated AO, as well as all games that are rated AO. As of June first, that will be a total of 32 titles. Hatred being the 27th title rated AO, as well as BMX XXX, Dramatical Murder, HuniePop, Sakura Spirit, and Second Life being barred from streaming on Twitch despite *not* having an AO rating.
Steam allows stuff without an ESRB rating (HuniePop being the biggest example, but a fair bit of indie stuff doesn't get ESRB rated).Dragonbums said:
Actually I'd argue they are just lazy rather than puritanical. They just can't be bothered to implement any kind of robust age verification system, much easier to tell people not to stream certain things.Amir Kondori said:
Everyone in this thread deserves a cookie because nobody has gone "freedom of speech blarg". It denotes at least a small amount of understanding.
(for the record it's actually Twitch expressing its freedom of speech under US law under freedom of association)
(for the record it's actually Twitch expressing its freedom of speech under US law under freedom of association)
I've gotta believe this is all part of Hatred's marketing scheme. Haven't seen this many people opposed to a game in my entire life, and suddenly there's moral panic over a simple isometric shooter, causing everyone and their mom to be aware of the game's existence.
Also, was Hatred ever rated by the ESRB? Because I just typed it into ESRB's search and nothing came up. If that's the case, then this really is just a Hatred ban, and Twitch should honestly have just come out and said it. Or maybe they wanted to help out their buddy Hitbox without being too direct about it.
Also, was Hatred ever rated by the ESRB? Because I just typed it into ESRB's search and nothing came up. If that's the case, then this really is just a Hatred ban, and Twitch should honestly have just come out and said it. Or maybe they wanted to help out their buddy Hitbox without being too direct about it.
Which would be pointless because anyone who really wants to watch anything that requires them to put in their age will lie anyways.Wuvlycuddles said:
So, little Jimmy lies about his age, is watching someone play Hatred, Jimmy's mom sees this, and Twitch gets blamed anyways.
I don't think it was Google. Let me check...Shinkicker444 said:
No, they were bought out by Amazon.
i didn't realize hatred was due out in 4 days! i'm excited. twin stick shooter with interactive, destructible environments, and with no attempts to sugarcoat the violence we all participate in with every game we play... anyways, yeah. looks fun.
OT: this is the latest is a series of idiot moves by twitch, that just like someone else on here said, enforces the idea that games are for kids. i think, as long as there's an age-gate or something similar, what goes on on a person's twitch channel should be their right. i'm not saying we should have full porn on there, obviously. there are places for that kind of thing, and they aren't gaming streaming sites. but if a busty girl wants to be comfortable in a cami top while playing games, that's well within her rights. i find it kinda sexist (if you remember the story) that they made rules against cleavage and things like that. not all girls with cleavage are JUST looking for attention for it, especially when they're playing games at home, a time when you'd want to be your most comfortable.
point being, twitch is fucking up. i hope a halfway decent competitor comes out of a kickstarter or something to shut these clowns down.
OT: this is the latest is a series of idiot moves by twitch, that just like someone else on here said, enforces the idea that games are for kids. i think, as long as there's an age-gate or something similar, what goes on on a person's twitch channel should be their right. i'm not saying we should have full porn on there, obviously. there are places for that kind of thing, and they aren't gaming streaming sites. but if a busty girl wants to be comfortable in a cami top while playing games, that's well within her rights. i find it kinda sexist (if you remember the story) that they made rules against cleavage and things like that. not all girls with cleavage are JUST looking for attention for it, especially when they're playing games at home, a time when you'd want to be your most comfortable.
point being, twitch is fucking up. i hope a halfway decent competitor comes out of a kickstarter or something to shut these clowns down.
and doesn't germany whitewash pretty much anything to do with nazis? from what i've gathered, german versions of games that include nazis have to have the swastikas removed, and a bunch of other things.Ogami said:
you know what i find weird about germany? i feel like if i went there today and asked to meet any random person's grandfather, i'd be meeting a nazi war criminal. i never learned to forgive germany. yet, somehow, i don't give a fuck about italy. double standards, to be sure. and japan, well... it's hard to stay mad at them after Enola Gay did his business.
martyrdrebel27 said:
Actually no, there is no whitewashing. At all. I just copy over something i wrote in another forum regarding that same accusation:
" But to be fair its not really a sanitisation of history here in germany. Its a bit more complex. On the whole the education about the Nazi Time is really thorough. Even today, nearly 75 years after the war, you can still pretty much see daily documentations on TV about the evils of the third reich or the holocaust. In school its mandatory learning material for all.
The problem is that the swatiska flag is illegal because it is an "verfassungsfeindliches Symbol" ( symbol representing an enemy of the constitution). It can be displayed in books or movies but not in games. Thats because there is a law that says the flag may only be displayed in a cultural historical meaning. According to the german law, books are cultural products, movies are cultural products, games are NOT. Games are classified as toys, entertainment without cultural merit. Thats why the display of Nazi symbolism is forbbiden in video games in germany.
There were a lot of initiatives over the years to try and change that law to include games as a cultural product but no luck up until now.
Just wanted to clarify WHY those flags are banned in games in germany and because i hear the "whitewashing history" argument a lot, when its really pretty much the exact opposite reason. "
So a bunch of games which you probably wouldn't get away with streaming anyway due to the nudity are now straight up banned. And apparently some great line in the sand has been crossed. I can't say I much care. If I want to see someone streaming a game not allowed on their site I'll look elsewhere, just like I don't go to YouTube to find porn to watch.
Hmm, strange, i wonder why i thought Germans had the version without the sex scene. must be mixing it with another game.Ogami said:
It was rated AO. Escapist wrote about it. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/139510-ESRB-Gives-Hatred-Adults-Only-Rating].Matt Dellar said:
So not whitewashing, just regular Orwellian spirit, then.Ogami said:
Why wouldnt i get away with streaming such games?Revnak said:
Wow. 'Mass murder simulator'. Who wrote this article? Mr Thompson?Strazdas said:
But, yeah. I think this is a ridiculous move by Twitch. There's no justification whatsoever to ban this game over many others which are out there.
Showing nudity on stream is already against the rules, and mods sometimes shut down streams that don't even go that far.Strazdas said:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FlwIWQSuwrE
This stream of the censored version of Sakura Spirit has a mod show up towards the end who has them stop streaming it.
Edit: http://www.twitch.tv/p/rules-of-conduct
Look under sexual content. I don't believe that's new.
Hasn't stopped people from streaming The Witcher 3, including myself. There's nudity in that game in the first few minutes. There's also nudity in other parts that aren't the various sex scenes able to be initiated (one quest you come upon a succubus who is naked, with no warning she'll be naked before you get to her).Revnak said:
Technically, under these rating rules, one could stream The Witcher 3 from inside one of the various brothels, paying for the prostitutes, and doing nothing but the sex scenes with them until their coin ran out... because the game is rated M in the US. Certain admins might shut the streams down, granted, but under the M rated rule, it's not against the rules. It might be against the sexual content rule, but some of the sex scenes are part of quests, thus part of the experience of the game.
Besides, the sex scenes are barely more graphic than those in Mass Effect. They just show some boob, where Mass Effect only showed some bare ass. They last about as long, too.
The reality is that Twitch is trying to say they're banning the streaming of Hatred, without just coming out and saying they're banning the streaming of Hatred. By going with the "no AO games allowed" method, they effectively ban the game, without having to say they're banning the game, explicitly.
We wouldn't want them to have to put actual age gates on those streams listed as mature audiences only; right? Might take some actual work on their end... and we wouldn't want that to happen.
So you can't show bare feet on Twitch, but until recently you could stream AO rated porn games... what?
That site has some bizzare rules.
That site has some bizzare rules.
Yeah, you probably would be fine here. That's not violating any of their rules.UncleThursday said:
No, you could not do this at all. Just hanging out in the brothel would not be only staying there long enough to progress.
And if all you were doing was going through mass effect sex scenes you would probably still get your stream shut down.
Maybe this site could just do some half decent age verification and we could have an adults only board. Why is no one crying out about how they are not allowed to post gay sheep man porn on the Escapist? How dare they silence us?!? ESCAPIST, ASK NOT FOR WHOM THE GAY SHEEP MAN CUMS, HE CUMS FOR YOU!
What, so Hatred isn't okay but Mortal Kombat X is fine? Who put Twitch in charge of what's alright to watch? What about... Dante's inferno? I think that has a bunch of breasts and demon babies, is that allowed?
Is there an alternative streaming site that lets you stream Huniepop or Hatred if you feel like it?
Is there an alternative streaming site that lets you stream Huniepop or Hatred if you feel like it?