Twitch just keeps getting worse and worse.

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They don't, but a stream with 50-150 viewers can already have a lively discussion that you are removing, and thus playing along with the haters.
Right it's not a total fix, but it at least would temporarily allow the streamer to retain control of things until the raid is through.

What about Sub only mode? Because quite honestly if bots want to pay me hundred of dollars to troll me, then....whatever I guess. Thanks for the money.
 

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An obvious one would be implementing something like the Python script I mentioned, so the streamer just needs to enter the simple version of the word they want banned, then Twitch handle banning all variants.
Yeah that seems fine, but the problem with the script is something I saw in Jim's Vid. They Name the bots offensive things and the chat script wont censor the names of chatters. So that would have to be manually dealt with.

And again, it's also just another system that Twitch would have to impliment and the botters would get around it eventually. The thing is that any solution for the most part is temporary. Because eventually someone will get around it.

The best solutions honestly seem to already be in place. Follower only chat with a several hours time flag, sub only chat, and emote only chats. These things are the best answers to the problem right now and for the most part do seem to fix and control things.

Is it annoying? Yes. But it works, and you just gotta roll around it.

Keep in mind that as @McElroy mentioned above. It's not only these LBGT streamers that get botted. The LoL tournament was botted yesterday, and I'm sure the mods just set the chat into a different mode to deal with it for a while.
 

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Yeah that seems fine, but the problem with the script is something I saw in Jim's Vid. They Name the bots offensive things and the chat script wont censor the names of chatters. So that would have to be manually dealt with.

And again, it's also just another system that Twitch would have to impliment and the botters would get around it eventually. The thing is that any solution for the most part is temporary. Because eventually someone will get around it.

The best solutions honestly seem to already be in place. Follower only chat with a several hours time flag, sub only chat, and emote only chats. These things are the best answers to the problem right now and for the most part do seem to fix and control things.

Is it annoying? Yes. But it works, and you just gotta roll around it.

Keep in mind that as @McElroy mentioned above. It's not only these LBGT streamers that get botted. The LoL tournament was botted yesterday, and I'm sure the mods just set the chat into a different mode to deal with it for a while.
Yes, they get botted too, but not to the absurd degree those that are a person of color, gay, lesbian, or trans face. The tournament people only get it once in awhile or rarely.
 

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Twitch is a ridiculous platform anyway. I can understand Twitch as an e-sports broadcaster, but I am absolutely baffled by people who watch other people play games. It is just a bizarre level of boring and a complete waste of time. So naturally, I don't give a fuck.
 

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Retain control of things until the raid is through.
It could be hours if you really get targeted. The people doing this are most likely terminally online; they have all the time in the world.
What about Sub only mode? Because quite honestly if bots want to pay me hundred of dollars to troll me, then....whatever I guess. Thanks for the money.
They don't, but sub-only is an active deterrent for new viewers.
 

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Twitch is a ridiculous platform anyway. I can understand Twitch as an e-sports broadcaster, but I am absolutely baffled by people who watch other people play games. It is just a bizarre level of boring and a complete waste of time. So naturally, I don't give a fuck.
It's about the personalities and the people games play. I don't watch that many people on Twitch either. I have about three people at best, and that's it. Sometimes 4, if I'm curious, but not much else. I'm a big fan of Max Dood and the Yovideogames crew. The smaller channels that do go on Twitch I like, are Omega Sphere and Seraphim17. That's it
 

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Yes, they get botted too, but not to the absurd degree those that are a person of color, gay, lesbian, or trans face. The tournament people only get it once in awhile or rarely.
And it obviously matters more to them. Once a stream has roughly 2k viewers the chat becomes hard to navigate and at 5k you can no longer converse no matter how hard you try. LEC had hundreds of thousands of viewers yesterday. Even a thousand bot messages are only a curiosity.
 

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I mean Twitch has always been baby's first camsite. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that its filled with childish assholes and people who hate minorities. Make a site that's just edgelord bait for kids who want to see titties while at school, you get a bunch of edgelord kids as users.
 

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I mean Twitch has always been baby's first camsite. It shouldn't come as a shock to anyone that its filled with childish assholes and people who hate minorities. Make a site that's just edgelord bait for kids who want to see titties while at school, you get a bunch of edgelord kids as users.
Such a toxic comment. I disapprove.
 

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They don't, but sub-only is an active deterrent for new viewers.
I feel like if a viewer sees what's happening without the sub only mode, then they are understanding of why the sub only thing is required at that moment. I don't really buy this as a concern tbh. Besides if a viewer wants to support the streamer they'd sub anyway.
 

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Buncha jackasses ruining a good thing and because it isn't hurting the cash cows there's a lot of throwing of hands in the air going "well we can't fix it so deal". If this *actually* hurt Twitch's bottom line, they'd move hell and high water to figure out a fix. Hell, a confirmation box to accept raids would do a lot. "Do you accept a raid from <user>? Y/N"

I feel like if a viewer sees what's happening without the sub only mode, then they are understanding of why the sub only thing is required at that moment. I don't really buy this as a concern tbh. Besides if a viewer wants to support the streamer they'd sub anyway.
Yes, you frequently dismiss the concerns of the people who are actually going through whatever it is you're dismissing, shock.
 

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Buncha jackasses ruining a good thing and because it isn't hurting the cash cows there's a lot of throwing of hands in the air going "well we can't fix it so deal". If this *actually* hurt Twitch's bottom line, they'd move hell and high water to figure out a fix. Hell, a confirmation box to accept raids would do a lot. "Do you accept a raid from <user>? Y/N"


Yes, you frequently dismiss the concerns of the people who are actually going through whatever it is you're dismissing, shock.
You actually can already do this. Here is a screenshot from my Twitch settings


Note you can actively turn off raids, or only allow raids from people you know/friended.

Again Twitch has tools in place. What is the problem with using them?
 

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You actually can already do this. Here is a screenshot from my Twitch settings


Note you can actively turn off raids, or only allow raids from people you know/friended.

Again Twitch has tools in place. What is the problem with using them?
Hey, that's not at all what I suggested, thanks
 

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I feel like if a viewer sees what's happening without the sub only mode, then they are understanding of why the sub only thing is required at that moment. I don't really buy this as a concern tbh. Besides if a viewer wants to support the streamer they'd sub anyway.
Not really. It's an active deterrent against growing a stream and people really aren't just willing to throw five bucks at the computer screen like that. I mean, if I were to subscribe I'd choose someone who doesn't have to go through hate raids with sub only mode.
 

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I mean its completely true. The average Twitch user age is between 13 and 17, and the most popular stream is the "just chat" stream.
So yeah, baby's first camsite.
It isn't. Just Chatting is the most popular yes, but the first female streamer, for example right now, is 14th in terms of viewers (and calling Jinny a camgirl would be very wrong). About age demographics: "Nearly half of all Twitch users are between the ages 18 to 34, and 21% are ages 13 to 17."
 

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I mean, if I were to subscribe I'd choose someone who doesn't have to go through hate raids with sub only mode.
Well see, this is a different argument and understandable. But there is also something to be said about you, if you can't understand that a hate raid is not the streamers fault, and would be worse if the streamer sits there and does nothing.

How often are these raids actually happening? Because that is something to consider as well. While these streamers might be coming out and claiming it's happening to them and that everyone is a racist and shithead on Twitch, are there any actual statistics for how much this happens?

Because that would likely also explain Twitch's inaction on it. They aren't going to invest into another tool to prevent a bot raid happening infrequently around random twitch streamers. It simply isn't worth the investment.

Hey, that's not at all what I suggested, thanks
Your suggestion allows for abuse, as the botter can make their username sound like someone the streamer knows. If you are hoping for a random raid from someone, you have no way to tell if that person is a bot spammer or not in the quick time an "accept" button would require, especially if the streamer is in the middle of a show or game or whatever. So it wouldn't work better than the tool already provided and in place.

Your suggestion only works if the random raider is a big well known name on Twitch, and let's face it the odds of getting raided by Ninja or some shit is insanely low. And if you hope for a raid from someone like that you can simply add them to your allowed raids list.
 

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It isn't. Just Chatting is the most popular yes, but the first female streamer, for example right now, is 14th in terms of viewers (and calling Jinny a camgirl would be very wrong). About age demographics: "Nearly half of all Twitch users are between the ages 18 to 34, and 21% are ages 13 to 17."
From Twitch itself:

  • Twitch enables the live coverage of the video gaming events.
  • 71% of Twitch’s users are millennials.
  • 20 years is the average age of Twitch active users.
  • Twitch broadcasts an average of 11 million videos each month.
  • Ninja is the most popular gaming channel on Twitch.tv which is headed by a Richard Tyler with more than 10.6 million followers.
  • Bikeman is a gaming channel that’s mixed with humor, thus it engages the audience.
  • Twitch users spend almost 3 hours a day watching videos on the platform.
  • The average Twitch user spends about an hour and 45 minutes each day.
So I'll agree the average age is a few years old than I thought. But not by much.
And the top female streamers, POKIMANE, LOSERFRUIT, AMOURANTH, LILYPICHU, CHICA, SWEET_ANITA, are "cosplay" and "just chat" channels.
Dress it up as much as you want, OnlyFans does have recipe pages after all, but Twitch grew in popularity and continues to this day as a place kids and younguns can watch scantly clad women dancing around without getting in trouble for watching porn, or getting around blocked websites.
 
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Your suggestion allows for abuse, as the botter can make their username sound like someone the streamer knows.
As opposed to now?
If you are hoping for a random raid from someone, you have no way to tell if that person is a bot spammer or not in the quick time an "accept" button would require, especially if the streamer is in the middle of a show or game or whatever. So it wouldn't work better than the tool already provided and in place.
It's pretty easy for a human to spot bot names that algorithms have a problem with. Give it a 5 minute timer for a quick search or a "click the link to view channel" pop up so you know it's legit
Your suggestion only works if the random raider is a big well known name on Twitch, and let's face it the odds of getting raided by Ninja or some shit is insanely low. And if you hope for a raid from someone like that you can simply add them to your allowed raids list.
What "allowed raids list"?
 
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