If it's okey to murder murderers, then why can't we rape rapists, rob robbers, & eat cannibals?
I really don't think the "cost" thing is the argument of whether to execute a criminal or not. Personally, I don't think they should. Instead, they should put put the offender in 23 hour solitary confinement for the rest of their life. This will give them plenty of time to dwell on their personal decisions in life.Captain Pancake said:Excuse me if I get a bit righteous here, I am a member of Amnesty International after all, but the death penalty really has no redeeming merits. punishing murder with more murder simply results in one more person removed from existence. And don't try the "It costs less in the long run" argument, because each individual execution costs the state hundreds of thousands of dollars (see source), which is money that is sorely needed elsewhere.
I know this ain't really the place to rant about it, but the more people I make aware of this on as many mediums as possible means I'm making at least some progress.
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Like i said, they take what they(victim) can get. I seen people being... F' that. I'll play the full disclosure. This take me back 7 years ago. I was in high-school and one of our friend who graduated the years prior was living near there call Yannick. While waiting for the day to end and us (Me and a guy name Vincent) getting together. During the last "break" of the day that guy was raped in the public bathroom in the shopping mall located near the school. The guy was stronger and took him by surprise while he was taking a piss. He was... there no word for it. You know that a guy, as a general rule of thumb, suck it in and walk it out. He was crying like a baby and look like worst than a mess. He went directly to school and Vincent took him to the school nurse. I was left behind on the pretense that i didn't knew Yannick that well and i waited till day end to get info. So i know clearly some stuff that you don't about victims so MY POST WAS BASED ON EVEN. He did became insomniac and got better when he heard the culprit was in jail, that and many many psychological sessions. Like you said, it isn't all about white or black, god or evil. What you call Bad taste as also a freaking benefit that YOU FAILED to pick up. It's not about the punishment but HELPING THE VICTIMS. You can't get that? You can't believe that there no other logical course of actions except your own? You can't believe that anything you disagree with can be beneficial if not the correct way?Lono Shrugged said:What in the hell does this have to do with bad taste by an official? I can speak only from knowing that a victim is never at peace from a crime committed to them, because they taste the fact they are totally helpless and no amount of locking someone up or executing them will detract from the fact they will lay awake at night and wonder will it happen again.Akalistos said:You didn't answer me... Yes or No, Would giving peace to a or many victim being worth it?
Life is not as simple as an episode of Colombo. Fear, guilt and self-loathing affect many victims and locking the person away matters fuck-all to some people who just want their lives back.
I don't know if I have answered your question and as I said I am not going to air my views on the death penalty.
I won't fall for that one. You won't bring the conversation on Death Penalty. This isn't a issue in what i asked. I never brought that up and you shouldn't too.Lono Shrugged said:I don't know if I have answered your question and as I said I am not going to air my views on the death penalty.
The penal system is base on Redemption. People are send it to get punish but also to get them the help they need to return to society anew. That's the basic right?Captain Pancake said:Excuse me if I get a bit righteous here, I am a member of Amnesty International after all, but the death penalty really has no redeeming merits. punishing murder with more murder simply results in one more person removed from existence. And don't try the "It costs less in the long run" argument, because each individual execution costs the state hundreds of thousands of dollars (see source), which is money that is sorely needed elsewhere.
I know this ain't really the place to rant about it, but the more people I make aware of this on as many mediums as possible means I'm making at least some progress.
http://deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
Akalistos said:SNIP
Angry? not really... more disappointed that you can't look something from someone else's perspective. You know, like when your parent tell you they are disappointed from your poor grade in school.Lono Shrugged said:Akalistos said:SNIP
Thanks for that, I had a feeling you had some pent up inner angst about something horrible that happened to someone else that you wanted to get out. Since this happened to "A really good mate!" You have FULL authority on everything crime related. I swear to god I logged off last night thinking "I'm going to get some fucking story now about someone he knew having a horrible crime and how I know nothing about the tough, tough world outside." Well you didn't disappoint me. I'm happy you have a horrible story you can tell people at the bar with total conviction that "yeah man justice should be served cos my mate was raped in a bathroom"
Classy
anyway what your point aside from airing all that out?
Hehe. Nice subtle insult there. I can very much see things from a different perspective. I honestly wonder where you got the idea I can't My problem from the get go was the guy's lack of professionalism in using a man's life and death as a vainglorious podium to stroke his own ego (in my entitled and by no means cast iron opinion) I do not have a problem with justice and atonement for crimes. Some people may find comfort in it, others may not. the world is very complex. I just wonder does this friend know you tout his horrible ordeal out to prove points on a forum. I could quite easily come back with many stories of my own of people I know, who have had crimes committed against them who suffer to this day. They can never feel normal again, and all life is filtered through that one moment. Justice might be served but the victim may not always be. That said I have seen some wonderful cases of a person getting what they deserve and the victim being all high fiving at the court house. I can see from other peoples perspective and I'm sorry if I disappointed you, It makes me sad to think I let down someone on the internet, Who missed my original opinion completely and rode the high horse until it was fit for the glue factory.Akalistos said:Angry? not really... more disappointed that you can't look something from someone else's perspective. You know, like when your parent tell you they are disappointed from your poor grade in school.
Believe it or not, I see that the goddamn time.sephiroth1991 said:What's next everyone tweetting their bowel movements "I had a Piss, it went well"
Konrad Curze said:Sure, if you eat them RAW, Just get rid of the brain & barbeque the meat in teriyaki sauce until the skin is crunchy. Think of all the people you could feed with the remains of convicts. It's wasteful to bury or incinerate the dead.likalaruku said:Eat cannibals: This one is actually common sense. First off we would have to kill them first which I am fine with, but the main reason we do not eat humans is. A) Sane people do not want to which also goes for raping rapists B) there are numerous viruses you can get from eating human meat.