Two gay men kicked out of a pub for kissing in public

[Asuka Soryu]

I dislike public displays of affection. I don't care if it's heterosexual or homosexual.

 

[Eldarion]

I didn't say it was legal to discriminate i was saying that it is private property open to the public therefore is subject to the owners rules. If they want no kissing by god they can make sure no lips make contact in his bar, and by god if he wants to toss someone out for it he can. His land is still subject to the laws it is on but if he wants to toss someone out he can because it is PRIVATE PROPERTY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC! he has rights to deny/cut off service to anyone he likes, he can toss someone out if they break his rules upon entry, and no matter how many people go into it he still owns it.

The day of "me and me boyz ave come ere and now dis belongs to us!" is over and done. A private place open to the public is not automatically rendered public property because a few people went in.

Yes a bar is a business in a public setting but if it is on private property like most businesses are they reserve the right to deny service, cut off service and toss someone out. Believe otherwise all you like but the fact is a bar is PRIVATE property open to the public during work hours. It is a business not a park.

Now define discriminate because we have been tossing that word around all damn day and i feel it picked up a dozen new meanings.
In this sense we should refer to discriminate as the act of denying through force or rule service, entry, or other to someone based solely on gender, race, creed, or sexual orientation.
It is NOT discrimination if your actions whatever the hell they may be cause other people on private property to be uneasy; and the owner asks you to leave, stop, or throws you out. (do not go any deeper past 'But its wrong to just throw them out" because i honestly don't care anymore.
It is NOT discrimination to deny services, entry, or other to someone based on clothing or lack of. You are not obligated to let someone into your bar when they look like they are wearing complete shit. Dress codes are an example of this.
We clear on its usage here?

It is illegal to deny service to someone based on sex, sexual orientation, religion, ect. It is illegal to deny service because of actions taken by people if they are behaving in a publicly legal manner. You also can't deny service to someone based on clothing if what they have on is legally acceptable to walk around in (this is also discrimination by the way). Wal mart for example, cannot deny me my job if I come in cross dressing and they can't keep me out of the store. That was mentioned specifically in employee orientation.

That all has legal and supreme court president. You can argue till your face is blue, doesn't make it less true. A bar is public place just like wal-mart when it comes to applying these laws.

 

[AaronDemoncia]

this is one of those situations where the owner/operator of an establishment has the RIGHT to refuse service to anyone of their choosing. be it teenagers in a taco bell making a mess or a couple making out in a bar *shrugs* if you dont like it YOU can always execute YOUR right to boycot and pickett that establishment, whatever floats your boat.

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

I think it doesn't matter because the owners have the right to kick anyone out of their business for whatever reason they feel like.

I certainly wouldn't want two gay guys making out in MY bar, and would most certainly ask them(before telling them) to stop it or get out. Now two hot women, on the other hand...

Sexist? Yeah. But if it's your property and your business, then YOU make the rules.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

 

[Eldarion]

Now. Why do you say a bar is public property? explain the reasoning and provide evidence to back it.

There is supreme court president supporting it, look it up yourself.

 

[Sandernista]

Barmen/women can kick who ever they like out of their pub.

WRONG!!!

At least in the UK and the USA.

 

[Sandernista]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

If it's his bar, he doesn't have to take some complicated route. All he has to do is tell his bouncer to kick them out.

 

[Sandernista]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

If it's his bar, he doesn't have to take some complicated route. All he has to do is tell his bouncer to kick them out.

Except that it is against the law.

 

[CaptQuakers]

Barmen/women can kick who ever they like out of their pub.

WRONG!!!

At least in the UK and the USA.

Maybe not kicked out but they can refuse service to anyone they like which Is more or less the same.

 

[CM156_v1legacy]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

Of course! Shouldn't the world bend to our every whims?

No, of course not!




OT: If it was bothering others, then yes, yes they should be asked to stop or leave. There is a diffrence between discriminating against someone for what they are (race, sex, ect) and what they DO.

 

[Sandernista]

Barmen/women can kick who ever they like out of their pub.

WRONG!!!

At least in the UK and the USA.

Maybe not kicked out but they can refuse service to anyone they like which Is more or less the same.

Actually the whole 'refuse service' is directly addressed in the laws.

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

If it's his bar, he doesn't have to take some complicated route. All he has to do is tell his bouncer to kick them out.

Except that it is against the law.

Nope. It's against the law if you kick them out because they're black/gay/whatever. It's not against the law to kick them out because for some entirely arbitrary reason that most certainly isn't related to the above! Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Also I took a few minutes to look up US laws on the matter, and this is a must read -
http://civilrights.uslegal.com/discrimination-in-places-of-public-accommodation/

Basically if you want to be able to kick people out of your bar for whatever reason, you need to make it a "private" bar. Meaning it doesn't serve the general public. You could do this by requiring a members card that costs say.. 50 cents. Then just don't sell any to blacks/gays/jews/whoever you don't like. It's 100% legal.

Otherwise you have to play pretend and say you aren't kicking them out because they're black/gay/jewish/whatever, but because 'you dont like they way the look' or 'they smell funny' or 'they were rude.'

 

[Sandernista]

I wouldn't give two shits if it was a hetero couple, two lesbian porn stars or a friggin pair of celebrities. If them 'kissing' is disturbing me, I'd want them gone period

So things you don't like should be legally forced to stay out of your way?

If it's his bar, he doesn't have to take some complicated route. All he has to do is tell his bouncer to kick them out.

Except that it is against the law.

Nope. It's against the law if you kick them out because they're black/gay/whatever. It's not against the law to kick them out because for some entirely arbitrary reason that most certainly isn't related to the above! Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Also I took a few minutes to look up US laws on the matter, and this is a must read -
http://civilrights.uslegal.com/discrimination-in-places-of-public-accommodation/

Basically if you want to be able to kick people out of your bar for whatever reason, you need to make it a "private" bar. Meaning it doesn't serve the general public. You could do this by requiring a members card that costs say.. 50 cents. Then just don't sell any to blacks/gays/jews/whoever you don't like. It's 100% legal.

Otherwise you have to play pretend and say you aren't kicking them out because they're black/gay/jewish/whatever, but because 'you dont like they way the look' or 'they smell funny' or 'they were rude.'

So, it is against the law. Only there are loopholes.

 

[PinochetIsMyBro]

So, it is against the law. Only there are loopholes.

Unfortunately. These laws really need to be repealed. A bunch of fascist crap that forces everyone to play 'lets pretend.'

 

[Sandernista]

So, it is against the law. Only there are loopholes.

Unfortunately. These laws really need to be repealed. A bunch of fascist crap that forces everyone to play 'lets pretend.'

I completely disagree. You should not be able to force your insecurities and prejudices onto me.