U.K. Government: Giving Help to the Gaming Industry Doesn't Add Up

Logan Westbrook

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U.K. Government: Giving Help to the Gaming Industry Doesn't Add Up

The U.K. Government can only afford to back sure fire winners, and it's not sure the videogame industry qualifies.

MPs clashed yesterday over the proposal for tax breaks for the gaming industry that the current Coalition government struck down when the came to power. Speaking on the BBC Politics Show [http://www.bbc.co.uk/politicsshow/] at the MCM Expo in London, UK, Liberal Democrat MP and spokesperson for London, Thomas Brake, said that the proposal was unworkable, as the opposition hadn't properly shown where it would find the £192 million it would take to fund it.

Gareth Thomas, Labour MP and Shadow Secretary for University and Science, said that the government was putting jobs in danger by scrapping the credit, and added that there was a real question mark over whether the gaming industry could maintain its current level of employment. But Brake pointed to the recent troubles at APB creator, Realtime Worlds - which he mistakenly credited with the creation of Grand Theft Auto - and said that the government was not in a good position to pick winners, and an investment in business infrastructure in general would be a better idea. He also accused the opposition of making promises that it couldn't possibly fulfil by claiming it would offer tax breaks but at the same time reduce public spending.

This isn't the first time that UK politicians have used Realtime Worlds as an example in the tax credit discussion, although when Labour MP Ed Balls did it [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/102947-British-Politician-Calls-Lack-of-Tax-Breaks-Madness] in August, it was as an example of a company that might have been saved had it had more support from the government. It seems a little disingenuous to use RTW in this argument however, as its problems weren't the result of a lack of support, nor is it a good example of the general state of the videogame industry in the UK.

But RTW aside, the U.K. government is faced with an enormous level of debt at the moment, and it has to get as much return from the money it does spend as possible. I wouldn't be particularly surprised if the Coalition would actually like to support the UK videogame industry, but has to snipe at the proposal so not to lose face. Indeed the plan had the backing of the Conservative party - one of the parties that makes up the Coalition government - when Labour announced it in March. Regardless, the lack of tax credits is bad news for the industry, which faces strong competition from countries like Canada, which is more friendly to the industry, and actively trying to recruit [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/101877-British-Game-Dev-Decries-Canadian-Vultures] development staff from overseas.

Source: via CVG [http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=272892?cid=OTC-RSS&attr=CVG-News-RSS]



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It could hire out the politicians second houses to house game developers. I mean we've been paying for those for some time.

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Stabby Joe

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More revenue than the UK film industry in 2008? Yeah, not a sure winner...

The fact he didn't get his facts straight destroys any opinion he has on the subject.
 

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Logan Westbrook said:
But Brake pointed to the recent troubles at APB creator, Realtime Worlds - which he mistakenly credited with the creation of Grand Theft Auto -
Ouuuuuuch. I can see why he could confuse the two though XD.
Daystar Clarion said:
Not a sure winner? Have they even looked at videogame sales recently?
The sales of Fifa alone are probably enough insurance for the industry over in the UK.
 

Sallix

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With all the cuts coming to the Universities and gaming industry as well as increasing tuition fees and scrapping of EMA. I get the feeling David Cameron really hates the youth of today. Or just poor people,he is a tory afterall.
 

boholikeu

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Funny, because the UK is in the position to make itself the "Hollywood" of video games, an industry that's already eclipsed film in terms of profits.

I guess they'd rather let Canada or the US have all that money.
 

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Everything is getting slashed by the government at present, they would have a hard time justfying tax breaks for this industry when everyone else is paying more and public services are being cut.
 

etherlance

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Well it could be worse, We coud have a bunch of batshit crazy senators hellbent on destroying games all around the world like the USA have......I feel your pain my Yanky brothers.
 

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Lorechaser said:
Caveat: Ignorant American.
Incredulous Query: Shadow Secretary?
Conclusion: AWESOME.
Oh, it is. You get titles like Shadow Defense Minister, which makes them sound as if they're employed to keep us safe from ninjas...
 

Delusibeta

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From my understanding of the proposed tax break, I would actually agree with Brake that it was unworkable. Specificity, the demand for the game to pass a "test of Britishness". Frankly, the only games I could think of that would pass such a test would be the Fable games and anything Zombie Cow produces.
 

SonicWaffle

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Stabby Joe said:
More revenue than the UK film industry in 2008? Yeah, not a sure winner...
In all fairness, the UK film industry has to compete with Hollywood. Bigger budgets, bigger stars, more cocaine...it's where all the money is, and it's not really much of a surprise that the UK industry is much smaller. The UK gaming industry, however, had the potential to become the video gaming equivalent to Hollywood if we can set things in motion before some other country sets themselves up as the ideal home of game production.

Stabby Joe said:
The fact he didn't get his facts straight destroys any opinion he has on the subject.
Wait, what? A politician who didn't check his facts?! Holy shit, I am now totally disillusioned with the system...
 

Sun Flash

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SonicWaffle said:
Lorechaser said:
Caveat: Ignorant American.
Incredulous Query: Shadow Secretary?
Conclusion: AWESOME.
Oh, it is. You get titles like Shadow Defense Minister, which makes them sound as if they're employed to keep us safe from ninjas...
Well yeah but they're part of the Shadow Cabinet, which just sounds like haunted furniture.

My personal favourite is Shadow Chancellor. It reminds me of the Sith for some reason.



OT: Surely the one sure fire industry to back would be video games? Heck, the Government should be getting in bed with Rockstar, and have Lionhead as it's bit on the side.
 

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Qufang said:
With all the cuts coming to the Universities and gaming industry as well as increasing tuition fees and scrapping of EMA. I get the feeling David Cameron really hates the youth of today. Or just poor people,he is a tory afterall.
Well, there was technically nothing being given to gaming yet and EMA is too high, but the fact that they were cheering and laughing whilst announcing the cuts - and constantly jibes about the last government - says it all.

OT: Have any of them even looked at Canada? And using RTW is a stupid example; there are plenty of development studios in the UK that rake it in (Rocksteady and Lionhead for starters).

Instead of just reducing spending, why not actually generate some money?
 

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boholikeu said:
Funny, because the UK is in the position to make itself the "Hollywood" of video games, an industry that's already eclipsed film in terms of profits.

I guess they'd rather let Canada or the US have all that money.
This is the truth, we have some of the most talented game developers in this country, we had some of the most talented engineers and designers as well. Unfortunately these incredibly valuable individuals don't make as much money for the corporations as people who fuck about with money so the government haven't give a shit about it for some time now.

Words cannot express my RAGE at how innovation is being stifled in this country because it doesn't line the pockets of the 'investors'.
 

SonicWaffle

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Sun Flash said:
Well yeah but they're part of the Shadow Cabinet, which just sounds like haunted furniture.

My personal favourite is Shadow Chancellor. It reminds me of the Sith for some reason.
Nah, the Shadow Cabinet sounds like some ancient evil conspiracy who've been secretly controlling the world since the damn of civilisation. Like The Organisation, or The Illuminati, or The Benevolent Society Of Friends. With a name like that, you just know they're evil!

Sun Flash said:
OT: Surely the one sure fire industry to back would be video games? Heck, the Government should be getting in bed with Rockstar, and have Lionhead as it's bit on the side.
While games do appear to be on the up-and-up, there is a serious problem with increasing piracy. They might not be the safest bet at the moment. I still think it'd be a sound investment, but we're talking about politicians here - not known for their foresight.