You know if there was a law against stupidity passed first things would move along much quicker.
U.S. Senator Says Violent Games Are "Practice Simulators"
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ah, short sighted, behind the curve morons in office ....
and people wonder why i think we should fire every one currently holding office, ban them from running again, ever, and start over with people who are retards stuck in the past
and people wonder why i think we should fire every one currently holding office, ban them from running again, ever, and start over with people who are retards stuck in the past
It's coherant to me, she's pretty much trying to say that the games help people become better killers and encourage them to kill, even if the games themselves are not entirely accurate to the reality. The arguement being one of mental preparation more than anything.Jaden Kazega said:
The anti-game groups have long been argueing that while playing a shooter might not actually enable you to shoot a real gun well, they help you get into the mindset to want to go out and kill a lot of people, as well as perhaps helping you pick up some basic knowlege of tactics, entry, etc... over a period of time. Especially when dealing with games that have received consultation from real military/police authorities in terms of the tactics and situations. Where they tend to hide guys in some games for "ambush scenes" is where real people would try and bushwhack you from when you enter a room or whatever for example, so your by default learning to check the expected places when you enter a room playing a video game.
Basically in playing a game you'll become more able to inflict violence mentally, and thus when you decide to go buy a gun and practice, and then go on a murder rampage, be more effective. Not to mention the idea that if you had never become entranced by the idea playing video games you probably never would have done it anyway.
It's overall a load of crap actually, and almost exactly like arguements made about a lot of other media that took it's turn as being the "boogie man". The same basic arguement applied to say rock music, which by having anti-social and violent messages it encouraged listeners to get into that mindset, so they would be more likely to learn how to do real violence and become criminals and murderers. You can add movies, comics, and tons of other things to that list.
I'll also say that what games teach you isn't anything you couldn't pick up from reading some tactics manuals or survivalist/military training tapes from gun shops and military surplus stores and the like. Of course there has been a long-standing effort to try and eradicate those things as well, it's just not at the forefront of the media right now.
At the end of the day it's just more of the same, the issue will go on until they find another boogie man. Right now by harping on video games it gives the politicians something to talk about and pretend they are taking action while they try and avoid any kind of strong action on things like immigration, or actually cracking down on the elements of society doing violence (gangs, terrorists, etc...) as they all come with touchy issues and any position in any direction that could potentially be effective or make a differance comes with enough enemies and opposition to be tantamount to political suicide.
In closing, the biggest problem I have with game critics, and what makes them seem paticularly idiotic, is that they tend to be a lot too broad in their accusations because they have little idea what they are talking about. In general I think their problem is mostly in response to realistic/tactical military shooters, things like say "Call Of Duty" and their ilk. To be honest it would be nice if they narrowed their focus to those games, because at least that can be considered fairly reasonable in connection to what they are talking about. Railing about violent video games in general means that they are also talking about things like "Star Wars", "Star Trek", and other types of utter fantasy games. The amount of RL skill, even from a mental perspective, gained from playing something like "Mechwarrior Online" is pretty much non-existant, and the game is plenty violent in an absolute sense.
I still do not agree with them, but to be honest, they would probably seem a bit more sane if they refined their focus.
It's all true. Everyone knows that Tiger Woods practises his swing in Tiger Wood's PGA Tour 2013, Metallica tune their guitars in Guitar Hero when warming up for a gig and every NFL team runs drills in Madden NFL. I bet John Wilkes Booth played Assassin's Creed to train as well.
Isn't violent crimes at an world history low? Why would millions of people "train" themselves to kill others, when they have no reason to? People usually commit murder, theft, rape etc on the basis of lacking decent living standards.
Spend money on education, health care and infrastructure, instead of wasting it on anti-game laws, anti-gun laws and such. That way our society can truly continue to become less violent.
Spend money on education, health care and infrastructure, instead of wasting it on anti-game laws, anti-gun laws and such. That way our society can truly continue to become less violent.
..... You know I fought for this country, been hurt many times for this country, and watched some of my good friends die for this country........ and assholes who are 70 + years old and can get elected forever like this moron make me ashamed of living here....
If you are so old you do not understand what the hell is going on around you then you should not be allowed to keep in office.
If you are so old you do not understand what the hell is going on around you then you should not be allowed to keep in office.
It's always disappointing to find out that your elected officials are actually really stupid (particularly those, like Feinstein, who are from my own party!) Democrats are supposed to be the smarter ones.
We're not even talking about difference of opinion here. These people are dumb.
People who are dumb shouldn't be allowed to affect laws.
We're not even talking about difference of opinion here. These people are dumb.
People who are dumb shouldn't be allowed to affect laws.
Quite simply, I think gamers enjoy violent games simply because guns and shooting and whatnot appeal to older/mature demographics (or little kids who think they're badass).
Call of Duty does not turn me into a killer any more than watching The Honeymooners will make me commit domestic abuse.
Captcha: jerk store.
A place where screwball politicians are a dime a dozen.
Call of Duty does not turn me into a killer any more than watching The Honeymooners will make me commit domestic abuse.
Captcha: jerk store.
A place where screwball politicians are a dime a dozen.
...Seriously? I love this country, but the people steering the ship continually, to the surprise of no one sadly, come off as complete morons. If this was true, I've "practiced" so much I could outgun an entire battalion of Marines and at worse get a scrapped knee.
Sidenote: Yay! Not from my state!
Sidenote: Yay! Not from my state!
I think this just about sums it up, like you said: violent video games are just the 'flavor of the month', or in this case... year? More like decade at this point. If they were targeting solely games like Battlefield, Call of Duty, or the Grand Theft Auto series, their opinions and statements wouldn't bother me nearly as much. The term 'violent' video game, however, is a fairly broad term to use, since the word 'violent' could be twisted to encompass almost anything -- especially in a country where even so much as throwing water on someone can be considered assault. The realistic military shooter is still a fairly-recent development, and actually think that it's our own gun culture/gun worship which has influenced video game culture in recent years.Therumancer said:
At the end of the day, logic and reason will win out... at least one would hope. lol
EDIT: Also, on the topic of military shooters, while I'm not a police officer or in any branch of the military myself, I have been trained in some firearms and know how to use them. As anyone else will tell you, pulling a game controller trigger and a 'real' trigger (while one may think them to be similar) feel entirely different; though, this would be more directed to people who think military shooters train people on how to operate guns...
Feinstein is regarded as one of the most far-left politicians when it comes to gun laws. Whether this is a good idea or not, she's not a hypocrite.Mr. Omega said:
She's still stupid though.
Well then, let's have our friend actually play a few of these "simulators" herself and see what knowledge she comes out of it with.
If she can use the knowledge earned in the violence sim to actually use some of those same guns in real-world practice, I'll consider giving the thought some creed.
I'll even let her watch some movies with violence, maybe even some books. (Frankly, I feel more threatened by someone reading books on the subject, though, as there is far, far more attention to detail given in that medium.)
Stop scapegoating. "It's not those shorts that make you look fat, it's your fat that makes you look fat."
If she can use the knowledge earned in the violence sim to actually use some of those same guns in real-world practice, I'll consider giving the thought some creed.
I'll even let her watch some movies with violence, maybe even some books. (Frankly, I feel more threatened by someone reading books on the subject, though, as there is far, far more attention to detail given in that medium.)
Stop scapegoating. "It's not those shorts that make you look fat, it's your fat that makes you look fat."
And here we go again. I'm just glad there's Supreme Court precedent in our favor. RECENT Supreme Court precedent, at that.
Still, looks like we got ourselves one more old fart who needs to die off before people stop blaming video games. Just like they stopped blaming books, movies, and tv.
Still, looks like we got ourselves one more old fart who needs to die off before people stop blaming video games. Just like they stopped blaming books, movies, and tv.
You know, it's good we don't have that many games like Deus Ex or Fallout where you can lie to get what we want, we may be teaching our kids to be politicians when they grow up.