insaninater said:
Honesty is obviously a subset of having ethics.
Which is moot, since you've demonstrated neither.
The publishers putting this stuff out are part of game journalism too, and they should be held to their bullshit. It doesn't make any sense for people to keep treating them as credible sources.
I'm not sure you know what you're talking about. As far as what's reported here, there's really nothing to scrutinise. They're making claims, which are attributed as such. Do you want Steve to editorialise?
It's not about not reporting this, it's just after the boy who cried wolf did so 300 times, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to keep paying attention to it. Never said you can't report on it, only that i think it's pretty meaningless at this point. I feel like we could gain the same thing by having a weekly column that always says "ubisoft PR still spewing bullshit" and that's the entire article. We'd get the same thing out of it.
That's still not honest journalism. It's childish, and it's biased. These are things you supposedly oppose in journalism. You can have ethical journalism, or you can have petty grudges, but you can't have both.
What you seem to want from this article is not for it t behave ethically, but for it to appease you. That you conflate that with ethics is
part of the problem.
All i meant by "people like you" are the people who decided there can never be a movement for game journalism because of some bullshit perceived misogyny, which in this case, basically added up to "HEY! You can't criticize a developer if she's a woman!".
So all you meant by people like me was people nothing like me? And you still don't think that's more than a little dishonest? Okay, sure.
Everyone tried to move on, every single fucking person trying to get involved in gamergate on this site tried to make it something more meaningful, more pure, and move past the gender politics, but there were always people like you, people who still couldn't get over some perceived misogyny. It doesn't matter that you claim to be critical of ubisoft, because you still set the precedent that criticism is harassment and misogyny. Now all ubisoft has to do is hold up a female employee and BAM! Immunity from criticism ala Quinn. You gave them that power by shutting down anyone who dared imply Quinn, or any female in the industry wasn't a pinnacle of morality and ethics. You reinforced the idea that women in the industry are above criticism. You created the idea that anyone critical of the state of game journalism, which obviously includes the bullshit that comes out of these PR people's mouths, is a misogynist. So it doesn't really matter if you're critical of them at all, since you enabled this shit.
Isn't it strange how I'm supposedly the one who can't get past gender politics, and yet you're the one bringing it up? Remind me, who brought it up in the first place? It doesn't appear to be me. I made a comment about consumerism, how this would continue as long as we financially supported it, and then...why, it was you who brought it up! It's almost like you're the one making this about something else.
This is a recurring theme with Gamergate. Someone criticises its ethics, and some ardent defender of "ethics in journalism" comes along and screams "feminism!" or "SJW!" and wonder why we don't believe you when you say it's about ethics. Hell, what little you've brought up in terms of actual ethics would put you on the "con" side. So when you're talking about gender issues and arguing for something that is not ethical, what am I supposed to believe you actually want? Ethics? or to stick it to those evil women?
The answer, for the ethically challenged, is the latter.
Maybe you don't feel that way, but you are doing literally the worst job you could this side of mod-offense material.
As for moving on, you're not trying very hard.
So stop enabling UBI by giving them this weapon against criticism.
This would make more sense if I wasn't critical of Ubisoft in the first place. The thing is, I haven't
stopped being critical of them for years, so this seems like a nonsequitur. How does being a consumer advocate and constant critic of Ubisoft translate, in your mind, to enabling them? I'd really like to know, though I think it's probably about the same process as
You can scream "LYING" and "WITCH HUNT" all you want, but that doesn't change the precedent I've watched you and other people like you on this site set.
Well, except you are lying. But sure, I'll bite.
-Some people and games are above criticism.
Which people and games have I said are above criticism?
-People who criticism games or want to improve the state of game journalism are misogynists and harassers.
Where did I say that?
You honestly don't see how this enables publisher PR bullshit?
You know, it's weird. When I wanted different skin tones and women in an Ubisoft game, I was dubbed a "SJW" and was told I was what was wrong with gaming for criticising Ubisoft. For some reason, now that it's convenient, I'm enabling the exact same company by....I don't even know where to go with this. I'm enabling them by actively criticising them? By mocking their bad releases? By wanting diversity? No, seriously, fill in the blanks here.
Now they can point to anyone who say "hey, could you be more specific about what you mean when you gave this vague answer", and simply respond "MISOGYNIST!
On what planet?
[citation needed]
Not because you're a SJW or whatever, but because you made criticism non-universal. You encouraged the "criticism = harassment or misogyny" thing. I watched you personally do this, so don't try to say I'm lumping, because i personally tried to convince you not to set this precedent, but you did. I watched others do it to.
And this is why you're a liar. So go ahead, you've watched me do it. Prove it. Go on. Prove that I have said someone or some game is above or beyond criticism. Go on. Prove that I have specifically equated criticism with harassment, rather than specific behaviour with harassment.
Prove it.
And you know what the best part is?
Even if what you say is true, they can call me sexist all they want. I will still never resort to the Gamergate way of handling things by tantrum and flinging feces all over the place. Because I can actually combat them on ideas, rather than who can fling poo the farthest. And you guys will probably still be bringing up sexism.
