UK pedo caught by DSi. Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years. Wat.

[SomeRandomFaggot]

I believe if you touch a innocent child in any way, you aren't human simple as that I don't believe another Human could even dare do a disgusting act as sexually assaulting a defense-less innocent child. Yes the Human race is fucked up, but I believe this is the line that no Human would ever cross and when some one does I refuse you believe they are Human and deserves to die a quick death to get him away and no longer able to harm. This might be ignorant but it is my opinion. Horrible people.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Don't fuck a kid. Don't have child pornography. DON'T have hentai, there are fleshlights, I really don't think those two rules are really that hard to avoid breaking.

Fixed for you as this case was in the UK. So any sexual depiction (even a stick drawing) of someone who gives the 'impression' of being under 18 or shows two adults being sexual in the presence of a minor, defined as above, is considered child porn now...

 

[ph0b0s123]

Confesses to sex (multiple times) with girl (9-11), Gets 3.5 years.

Where in any of the stories linked is sex mentioned? Good job with the sensational and inaccurate heading. This is a sad case but you are not helping...

 

[MammothBlade]

Apparently no-one here has the ability to read secondary sources, because they alone have said that the abuser has borderline learning disabilities, and is getting a whole lot of treatment that goes far beyond 3.5 years.

You don't need to go to jail for hundreds of years to have effective punishment/rehabilitation.

Please, you don't expect people to read, do you? I guess we're lucky people like this fellow aren't the ones making up the rules:

Bloody Hell, this is a complete f**king travesty of justice. He needs to be castrated, painfully.

And we should cut off thieves' hands too, am I right? You know, like a civilised society. Overblown, emotional responses help precisely no one.

Children are taught to react to situations and issues (relative to their age, obviously) better than you just have.

Haha, no. It's a completely different crime. I support forced labour for thieves. They will put their hands to socially beneficial use.

Male sex offenders should be castrated as their corrupted sexuality is the source of their crimes, and their manhood is offensive to their victims.

Rather, provided you're a nice person you're unlucky you don't have people such as I making up the rules, violent criminals and sex offenders would be an endangered species.

And what if they're wrongly convicted? Or does your made up, psychopathic justice system also lay claim to a 100% correct conviction rate?

There would be an evidence threshold. In this case, there is more than enough evidence to secure a definite conviction. With less sturdy convictions, reversible chemical castration could be considered. Nothing psychopathic about it.

A leaning towards remorseless violence and bodily harm. That's psychopathic.

No it's not. It is proportionate to the severity of the crime and the potential suffering of the victim. It takes into account that it is unfair to punish someone beyond the extent of their crimes.

Yes, it is. Include your addendum if you wish, it doesn't change the nature of the punishment.

All you're doing is exhibiting a degree of inhumanity and cruelty for which you'd just as quickly denounce someone else for. An advanced society fixes its problems, it doesn't focus on infantile revenge tactics which only serve to exasperate the problem further.

No, it isn't. It only becomes "inhumane" or cruel when it exceeds the boundaries of proportionality. Offenders need to learn a fundamental lesson of human justice. Do not commit acts of evil unless you are prepared to pay the full consequences. I do believe in mercy, and those who are truly sorry can be shown clemency. However, remorseless criminals deserve the full punishment.

Your punishments offer no compassion, whilst inflicting great amounts of pain and distress. They are the definition of cruel and inhumane, 'proportionality' is irrelevant, because you're not even proportional, you're childishly vengeful. All you have done so far is show you lack compassion (even by way of simply abstaining from humiliating people), and possess an interest only in satisfying the vengeful wants of victims and yourself.

You are so obsessed with the idea of 'getting your own back' that you pay no consideration to the fact that you would hopefully be releasing most people back into society. Degrading and disaffecting people in the ways you think are so brilliant, so wonderfully fair and just, will make them more socially maligned.

Society has improved the more your short-sighted, infantile, so-called "justice" has eroded.

Punishments aren't supposed to be compassionate. The pain and distress is a part of the punishment which the offender has to face. Once they've done so, then we can talk about compassion and rehabilitation.

Hah, you have the gall to use "childish" or "infantile" as a term of disdain, when children are the very victims of such crimes! I think that children are the most morally pure, bearing that in mind if anything maybe justice should be more childish.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

I certainly hope not... if so that's pathetic!

I suggest in future you hold your tongue before calling other people pathetic. I was always told and went under the understanding that paedophilia was the attraction of infants and babies. By that reasoning, this would be child molestation, not paedophilia and I don't seem to be the only person here who thinks that.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

Not sure where you live, but here, that's pedophilia, sexual contact with anyone under age, and the perpetrator is over age or even just older. I understand the area gets gray as the molested person closes in on the age of consent. So obviously, it's some sort of cultural misunderstanding.

So where you live (I live in Australia, just for clarity), an 18 year old would be charged as a "paedophile" for having sex with a, oh I don't know, a 13 or 14 year old? You'd forgive me for stating just how fucked up that would be.

 

[BathorysGraveland]

the US, it's age of consent, anything under that is statutory rape... i haven't looked to see if there is an age cut between statutory rape and pedophilia, maybe i will look it up. Sex crimes can be a little vague at times.

here it is;

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder in adults or late adolescents (persons age 16 or older) typically characterized by a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children (generally age 13 years or younger, though onset of puberty may vary). The prepubescent child must be at least five years younger than the adolescent before the attraction can be diagnosed as pedophilia

Well like I said, I was in the understanding that paedophilia was infants and babies and a case like this would be child molestation. I may do a little more research in the future, but I think this law, if it really stands to how you say, is extremely flawed. There is a hell of a big difference between a 2 year old and a 10 year old. Neither are, or should be, acceptable of course, but a vast difference there is.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

Don't fuck a kid. Don't have child pornography. DON'T have hentai, there are fleshlights, I really don't think those two rules are really that hard to avoid breaking.

Fixed for you as this case was in the UK. So any sexual depiction (even a stick drawing) of someone who gives the 'impression' of being under 18 or shows two adults being sexual in the presence of a minor, defined as above, is considered child porn now...

I mean... one could argue it falls under obscene, but that strikes me as a stupid thing to do.

Give 'em something to jerk to, so long as no one's being harmed. For fucks sakes, they're still human, they're still men sick in the head or not.

Can you really get caught with that though? I mean UK doesn't spy on or censore their internet right?

 

[Seanfall]

Isn't 9-11 a little old for it be actual paedophilia?

Its actually in the right age range for pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children who had not yet gone through puberty.

....What happened to the good old days when we use to Hang these mother fuckers?

We kinda grew the fuck up and stopped being barbarians and decided "Ya know, it probably would be a tad hypocritical to fucking hang people over a mental defect." :/

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

As a medical diagnosis, pedophilia, or paedophilia, is defined as a psychiatric disorder... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia#cite_note-dsm4-0]

If you don't like Wikipedia, may I suggest Encylopedia Britannica, which says the exact same thing in the very first line. I don't know who you're talking to, but they're wrong. It is a disorder of the brain.

And again, no! They can not be killed or lose their right to liberty without due process. Its a basic fundamental right that all men and woman have. Even then, just because he suffers from said disorder, its no reason to send him off to a deserted island. There are several people who have been diagnosed with Pedophilia that don't act on the urges, including several celebrities.

Its honestly bad enough that you push for the fucking death sentence, now you wanna deny people civil liabilities?

I know people life with pedophilic urges and don't act on them. BUT HE DID! And Yes I think Pedophiles should get the Death Sentence.

I stopped reading right here. I don't give a fuck what you have to say anymore. I'm not arguing with someone who thinks that a man who actually got a harsher sentence then the national average for his crime should be put the death. You have no grasp of what the purpose of law and punishment is if you think the death sentence is a reasonable punishment.

News Flash: The Death Sentence is used in a lot of states. It's legal. We just need to broaden who can be given it.

News Flash: This happened in the UK, where the death sentence is illegal. Even then, it doesn't even fucking matter because the death sentence doesn't fucking work. It doesn't rehabilitate the detained (How can you when they're dead?) and it doesn't intimidate (States with the death sentence actually have far higher crime rates then most who don't.) Even then, the supreme court ruled you can't give the death sentence for those guilty of rape, which is what this is! Statutory Rape!

Look up Kennedy v. Louisiana and see for yourself.

Never said I cared about Rehabilitation. And again I said it should be expanded on.

Well too fucking bad, because without rehabilitation, we'd be up to our motherfucking eye balls in prisoners. And again, too fucking bad, its already been ruled as unconstitutional by the supreme court of the US. To expand it, you'd either have to become president and replace at least 5 members of the supreme court or you'd have to get rid of the constitution, both of which aren't reasonable options. And even then, you couldn't do anything to this man because he is in the UK.

Just face it dude, you have an unreasonable sense of justice and seem harbor far too much of a grudge for a man who got the right punishment for his crime.

As far as I know The Death Peantly is still legal in several states. And no I don't harbor a grudge. And I don't think he got the right punishment. I will not 'just face it' cause these are my personal beliefs. I won't face it anymore then you will about your beliefs. And calling it statutory Rape is an understatement. I've known people who have this done them. One of my girlfreinds had something similar done to her, we were together for 3 years before she told me. And it still hurt her, so forgive me if I don't an ounce of mercy in me for these people.

 

[Saulkar]

It's fun how this kind of thread turns people into bloodthirsty vigilantes. Murdering someone because "he deserves it" is still murder (and in some parts of the world, even "civilized" world, people "deserve it" for disturbing reasons). On the other hand, unless you're perfectly willing to torture someone to death yourself, don't wish that fate upon them (though if you are perfectly willing to do that, tell me where you live so I can move to the opposite side of the globe).

That said; 3.5 years? I do wonder just what happened there and how such a decision was reached. I mean, seriously? What's with the law, and what's with the goddamn reporting going for the emotive reaction instead of stating all the facts? What evidence was presented, under what circumstances was his sentence decided? If he has a terminal condition and 5 years to live, 3.5 isn't that little, and all...seriously, I wish these things were less sensationalist and more informative.

[/rant]

I see people are still confusing the terms "pedophile" and "child moletser", too.

I agree with this statement, we do not know all the facts. Another point is that pedophile has become synonymous with a child molester. One of which needs serious help and another needs severe help+punishment. I do not think (but I could easily be wrong) that there is any real help system for pedophiles, one that promises help with their sexual orientation (which all studies seem to point to) while not crippling their quality of life. If they go to see a psychiatrist and instantly be labeled a sex offender (has happened many times in the past) why would they have any motivation to seek help? The current system seems to value preemptive punishment above all else.

 

[Seanfall]

Again explain to me, and give me some cited example of how it is a mental Defect? Cause so far people saying it is doesn't make it so. And rather it is or isn't. Means jack. If it IS, which I don't think it is, that means that no amount of self control can or will fix him, meaning he needs to be separated or put down. This isn't some guy like Rain man or Forrest Gump this is a guy who raped and molested a kid. Big freaking difference.

Sorry, I just had a flashback to the 50s and people talking about gays.

I'm not sure who that comment is directed towards. Cause their is a big difference between being gay and being a Pedo. And their was never any proof about Gay people being mentally defected, cause their not. Their just...gay. And I really don't want to read into the sub-context of that. Gay people are more accepted then they used to be cause a lot of people realized that them being gay doesn't mean anything to anyone but them. I have no problems with people being gay and support gay rights. But the sub-context of your statement is that pedo's are just 'misunderstood'?

Edit: Wrote 'may' at one point instead of 'gay' I have no idea what being may would entail.

Your comments about self control and needing to be put down are very much like the anti gay rhetoric of the past.

And every indication is that pedophiles (and other related "philes" dealing with minors) probably have sexual preferences established in the same way as gay people. It's just another natural sexual preference (not so much the pedo one, but starting with early puberty lovers that are often put in the same pedo camp)

So yes, those who like minors are misunderstood, just as gay people were.

Doesn't mean I condone having sex with those below the legal age of consent, but then that age has been a moving target from time to time and place to place and is at least in part based on culture, not any real hard reason.

In what i've read on the subject, mostly for a pysch class in school in text books and few entry on line that I can't remember the address to, their's a lot of reference to repeat offenders who couldn't control their urges. I'm not gonna give exact numbers cause I can't remember everything from back then which is why I'm speaking in general terms. And the fact that YOUR comparing Gays to Pedo's....your the one who seems to have the wrong end of the stick. I'm surprised people are actually defending it at all. She was 9 which as far as I know was NEVER the legal age of consent. Their is no defense no excuse no justification for what's he done. And if you let him out, give him that chance to offend again their is a very good chance he will since he's been doing to the same girl for over two years. What then? How many more will have to suffer like this girl? How many more? My sympathy is not with this man it never has been never will be. It is with the girl he RAPED. It is with his future victims, (Possible).

Your the one who made the connection to homosexuals. Not me, it's an entirely different set of issues. This man here HAS committed those crimes. He didn't have pictures, video or anything like that he admitted to 'penetration' it's not a misunderstanding. He is a pedophile, case closed.

 

[Torrasque]

That is really fucked up.
I imagine the reason it is 3 years is because of circumstantial evidence: the girl could be lying, the photo doesn't look legit, the photo doesn't show enough to put him away for longer, the defence lawyer is good at his job, or other bullshit.

In a perfect world, this guy would have his dick chopped off. But sadly that is not the case in this case...

 

[Halfstache]

That is really fucked up.
I imagine the reason it is 3 years is because of circumstantial evidence: the girl could be lying, the photo doesn't look legit, the photo doesn't show enough to put him away for longer, the defense lawyer is good at his job, or other bullshit.

In a perfect world, this guy would have his dick chopped off. But sadly that is not the case in this case...

First off, he confessed, so the girl lying and the photo not looking legit doesn't hold any weight. Second, his confession was for much more than what the picture revealed, so the picture not showing enough doesn't hold weight either. Perhaps he's got a decent lawyer, but since his punishment is actually higher than the national average for his crimes, I'd say his lawyer wasn't that great at all.

Also, in a perfect world, he wouldn't commit crime, because it's a perfect world.

 

[Torrasque]

Also, in a perfect world, he wouldn't commit crime, because it's a perfect world.

Too true bro, too true =|

In the words of one of my teachers in highschool "Why can't people just NOT do stupid shit?"