UK Urged to Tax Violent Games
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Laid into games AND Rap music? Nice double whammy there. I was just about to say 'give it time and they will go after Rap music instead', but I guess I was too late.
I cannot believe they get a father of a knife crime victim to advise on politics, this is a fiasco in the making.
I fail to understand how this even makes sense. (let's just say) Youngsters can't get games that they are not in the right age bracket for. If they are, then that is the fault of the retailers or their parents. If it is their parents purchasing the game for them, then the tax is irrelevant because they will buy it regardless. If it is the kids themselves, how high are they prepared to raise the taxes on games so that children cannot buy it? Blame retailers for sale of violent games to children, and do something about it. don't make everyone suffer.
They still seem to believe that games are for kids. This is similar to when Brown spoke on games like Manhunt 2 and said they should be banned, because he doesn't want his kids to be playing it, he's basically admitting he can't do a good enough job as a parent and seems to completely ignore the BBFC.
But what makes the father think that games are to blame for knife crime? I can't imagine what kind of games actually glorify knife violence and I seriously cannot understand why people feel the need to pin the blame on something when the problem is already there, in this case the parents, the lack of support from family or schools, and the appeal of possessions and notoriety from their peers along with gang culture.
Also, if you are going to tax violent games, then why not violent films, comics and other media?
And as for prevention on the streets? Countless times I have walked down my streets at night, and I swear you put just two or so police officers on a beat, it could make a difference.
Quite frankly, I stick by the belief that parents would do more for the prevention of knife crime than any tax on games would.
Rant over. And it probably needs some editing no doubt.
I cannot believe they get a father of a knife crime victim to advise on politics, this is a fiasco in the making.
I fail to understand how this even makes sense. (let's just say) Youngsters can't get games that they are not in the right age bracket for. If they are, then that is the fault of the retailers or their parents. If it is their parents purchasing the game for them, then the tax is irrelevant because they will buy it regardless. If it is the kids themselves, how high are they prepared to raise the taxes on games so that children cannot buy it? Blame retailers for sale of violent games to children, and do something about it. don't make everyone suffer.
They still seem to believe that games are for kids. This is similar to when Brown spoke on games like Manhunt 2 and said they should be banned, because he doesn't want his kids to be playing it, he's basically admitting he can't do a good enough job as a parent and seems to completely ignore the BBFC.
But what makes the father think that games are to blame for knife crime? I can't imagine what kind of games actually glorify knife violence and I seriously cannot understand why people feel the need to pin the blame on something when the problem is already there, in this case the parents, the lack of support from family or schools, and the appeal of possessions and notoriety from their peers along with gang culture.
Also, if you are going to tax violent games, then why not violent films, comics and other media?
And as for prevention on the streets? Countless times I have walked down my streets at night, and I swear you put just two or so police officers on a beat, it could make a difference.
Quite frankly, I stick by the belief that parents would do more for the prevention of knife crime than any tax on games would.
Rant over. And it probably needs some editing no doubt.
I found it amusing when he (allegedly) said to Tony Blair: 'when are you going to fuck off and let me have a go'.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Not so funny now, to be honest.
And another thing.
Many knife related acts involve theft. How are you going to reduce knife crime if you increase the cost of games? Surely this would just increase the knife-related theft rate on the streets, would it not?
You could get about 85 quid for a stolen phone at cash converters. That's more than enough for a game, and enough for money towards the next.
Many knife related acts involve theft. How are you going to reduce knife crime if you increase the cost of games? Surely this would just increase the knife-related theft rate on the streets, would it not?
You could get about 85 quid for a stolen phone at cash converters. That's more than enough for a game, and enough for money towards the next.
They're suggesting taxing adults who buy games because kids who play games meant for adults stab people. That makes about as much sense as doubling the tax on alcohol to lower teen drinking. It only really harms the people who aren't doing anything bad, seeing as most of these knife wielding idiots buy the games with their parents money.
You guys are forgetting the advantage to carrying a knife: it lets you run faster!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY
Also, am I the only one who finds it crazy that taxing knives if even being considered? Any number of objects can be used as a weapon if utilized properly from a shovel all the way down to those weighted staplers. The difference is that said mundane objects are designed with intentions that don't involve harming another, it's just coincidence that a knife can be used to slice meat but can also slice open someone's jugular vein.
Like in my last post, I can't help but feel like we have to be fair about this. If someone gets stabbed to death with, say, an ice pick, then ice picks will have to be taxed. If someone beats someone to death with a bar stool, taxes go up on bar stools. If someone gets hit with a car, taxes go up on cars. Clobber someone with a rock and taxes go up on gravel.
I'm just saying this kind of thing sets precedent that can spiral out of control quickly. This whole "violence tax" thing should just be dropped before someone makes a call that gives everyone more reason to be paranoid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olm7xC-gBMY
Also, am I the only one who finds it crazy that taxing knives if even being considered? Any number of objects can be used as a weapon if utilized properly from a shovel all the way down to those weighted staplers. The difference is that said mundane objects are designed with intentions that don't involve harming another, it's just coincidence that a knife can be used to slice meat but can also slice open someone's jugular vein.
Like in my last post, I can't help but feel like we have to be fair about this. If someone gets stabbed to death with, say, an ice pick, then ice picks will have to be taxed. If someone beats someone to death with a bar stool, taxes go up on bar stools. If someone gets hit with a car, taxes go up on cars. Clobber someone with a rock and taxes go up on gravel.
I'm just saying this kind of thing sets precedent that can spiral out of control quickly. This whole "violence tax" thing should just be dropped before someone makes a call that gives everyone more reason to be paranoid.
Like whats been said before it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference; almost anything can be used as a weapon and at the end of the day how many of us have multiple knives in our kitchen draws anyway? If someones gonna knife someone they aren't gonna take influence from a game. What should be done is we tax Brown everytime he feeds us this bullshit then see how he likes it when his favourite pass time is unnecessarily taxed.Copter400 said:
They have.Combined said:
I know you're joking but the Criminal Justice Act 1988, s193 bans knives in public places apart from "for use at work, e.g. chef" ;pseydaman said:
And that's the government's fault, too much paperwork, not enough time on the streets, however I think your claim of one panda car being spread patrolling around 2 towns and the suburbs with only one copper in it is a bit of a silly over exageration. The area car and other panda(s) must be attending to calls quite frequently.Filtertip said:
Its true Maurauth. We have the patrol car going between the towns and theres a bunch of call outs that only get called out if its major like when a fight starts up out side corn exchange which is nothing new.
Dont get me wrong the copers that are out do a job well they even leave silly stuff to ensure they can get going right away when there called out on the radio. but really i can go around and smeg about and by the time someone nere by has woken up and phoned the old bill i can of walked away and the old bill wont even look for me.
Dont get me wrong the copers that are out do a job well they even leave silly stuff to ensure they can get going right away when there called out on the radio. but really i can go around and smeg about and by the time someone nere by has woken up and phoned the old bill i can of walked away and the old bill wont even look for me.
The guy lost a kid to a thug with a knife. He is misguided and is looking for something to blame, he isn't really a moron.GyroCaptain said:
Blame the idiots who thought he would be a good and clear-sighted adviser on the subject.
Firstly, it would make eating rather difficult. Banning knives is a useless gesture as people could just head to the kitchen and get one, unless those knives are too be banned too. In which case nobody in the country is allowed to handle sharp objects anymore. I find the ban on knives that is in place somewhat bizarre.Combined said:
Secondly there isn't much a knife can do that a broken bottle can't anyway.
Thirdly there are perfectly legitimate reasons to carry a knife in a public place. If you are a bank manager or work in Kentucky Fried Chicken maybe you don't really need one, but park rangers, mechanics, electricians, roofers, carpet fitters, etc all really have a need to carry a knife with them when working. As it stands alternative tools are having to be used because of the absurd governmental over-reaction.
I have a new idea, it is radical but it just might work...
You take someone who has committed a violent knife crime, and you lock them up! In... oohh what are those things we used to have in Britain? You know they are like hotels with bars where you can't get out? PRISONS! That's it! Why don't we put violent criminals in prison! I know this hasn't really been tried in this country since the 70s, but there is a chance it might be better than making 1000s of new laws every week which every criminal just ignores anyway.
See above, or do I have to post it again.cuddly_tomato said:
Was that simple enough?
People want lower taxes.cuddly_tomato said:
People want more prisons, and more prisoners.
PROTIP: that is unpossible.
yeah, because it's only since video games arrived, that anyone ever in history got stabbed.
every now and again our politicians rolls out a parent of a victim of a crime to tug at our moral heart strings. I feel for every family who's child has died or been murdered, but that does not make them an authority on the subject.
It's crass, to use bereaved parents to score tacky political points on a 'hot' topic.
This is the kind of shit the daily mail pulls
every now and again our politicians rolls out a parent of a victim of a crime to tug at our moral heart strings. I feel for every family who's child has died or been murdered, but that does not make them an authority on the subject.
It's crass, to use bereaved parents to score tacky political points on a 'hot' topic.
This is the kind of shit the daily mail pulls